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[Viper69]

The team separated and got killed piecemeal. The defenders didnt press while the main force was busy with the forward pickets. If you press while you are not engaged you can do a hammer and anvil, its the only divide and conquer besides base capping. But you need to make sure the hammer is moving and not pretending to be the anvil. You cannot have two anvils in a hammer and anvil.

Defending a base is really not an efficient tactic in this game, your only get to choose your ground and have no fall back position. You have limited cover options with no option to flank or press an advantage. You have a long march to cap if things start to go badly.

[Mercules]

Jun Watarase, on 28 November 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

The result should have been that you left the base with the rest of the team, thus keeping your strongest 'mechs together. Why didn't you?

Fixed.

This "rest of the team" concept is hard to grasp eh? More than HALF the team was in the base. Logic would dictate that the "Team" was where the majority of the people were. You were not where the majority was. You were not playing with the team. The "rest of the team" was on base, where were you?

[Jonnara]

Lefty Lucy, on 28 November 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

It only works if the enemy team isn't organized.

Yeah but it makes for a great game.

Had a few matches like that and other team hiding in 3/4 line of upper city and pot shots crossing the water from both sides.

[GioAvanti]

Jun Watarase, on 28 November 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

>If 4 guys insist on doing their own thing and ignoring the rest of the team, they are rambos
>if 4 guys group up before the game and insist on doing their own thing and ignoring the rest of the team, the other 4 guys are rambos

Premade logic.

Umm you have half the team on voice comms with eachother... they should be leading.

You only have a chance because of them mind you....

[Broceratops]

"eventually fights whole enemy team with 2-1 odds, loses spectacularly"



they just weren't good enough then

[Sevaradan]

Yes its not the conventional "form blob of death, move to the base" strat, but it works fine done properly, timing and group composition are important. (and yes, I know, I'm actually having a real conversation on the official forums and not trolling for once its a fracking miracle or something)

Viper69, on 28 November 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

The team separated and got killed piecemeal. The defenders didnt press while the main force was busy with the forward pickets. If you press while you are not engaged you can do a hammer and anvil, its the only divide and conquer besides base capping. But you need to make sure the hammer is moving and not pretending to be the anvil. You cannot have two anvils in a hammer and anvil.

Exactly, the kind of tactics I'm talking about, with an alternative of dropping your lance on the cap when they are tied up with the delaying force and forcing them to give the other lance back shots on them as they run back.

Edited by Sevaradan, 28 November 2012 - 12:06 PM.

[ciller]

I only drop 4 man. I often tell the pugs on our team what we plan. About 66% of the time they help us out and we win. The other 33% our pugs do something else, so what we do is watch them. If its a sizeable amount of our pugs, we follow them and support their craziness. If its an atlas we usually follow and figure out a strategy from where he is blindly charging through. If its a scout, we go the opposite way.
Sometimes we've had people yell at us, "Why didn't you help me out! I was all alone with them, you guys never came!" etc etc. I'm not sure if we were supposed to suicide charge with you, read your mind, or what but it just wont work. We do the best we can with what we get and maximize our chances of winning. We win almost every time unless I'm with some new initiates and I'm teaching them the ropes as best I can (Im not a good teacher).

So whinge away but there is only so much a 4 man can do and not all 4 men teams are made equal.

[Mercules]

Viper69, on 28 November 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

The team separated and got killed piecemeal. The defenders didnt press while the main force was busy with the forward pickets. If you press while you are not engaged you can do a hammer and anvil, its the only divide and conquer besides base capping. But you need to make sure the hammer is moving and not pretending to be the anvil. You cannot have two anvils in a hammer and anvil.

Defending a base is really not an efficient tactic in this game, your only get to choose your ground and have no fall back position. You have limited cover options with no option to flank or press an advantage. You have a long march to cap if things start to go badly.

I have to agree with this assessment, but the OP wants to claim that 2 mechs heading off in a seemingly random direction is "tactical" when 4 other members have already stated their intent. While defending the base isn't the best idea, splitting up willy-nilly is worse.

[Redshift2k5]

moral of the story is: stick together

If 6 people are going the wrong way, that is now the right way and you are going the wrong way.

Better to do a bad tactic as a group than to split up and get overrun by superior enemy numbers.

[Fenris Ro]

Jun Watarase, on 28 November 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

>If 4 guys insist on doing their own thing and ignoring the rest of the team, they are rambos
>if 4 guys group up before the game and insist on doing their own thing and ignoring the rest of the team, the other 4 guys are rambos

Premade logic.

Jun Watarase, on 28 November 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

The result should have been that you left the base with the rest of the team, thus keeping your strongest 'mechs together. Why didn't you?

Fixed.

Brother, I hate to say it but your logic is just as screwed up as all the people you point fingers at.

If you are trying to say that Premades should follow PUGs and support them, please tell me how that is possible when about 90% of the time each player in the PUG runs off and does their own thing. IJS...

[Redoxin]

Jun Watarase, on 28 November 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

The result should have been that you left the base with the rest of the team, thus keeping your strongest 'mechs together. Why didn't you?

Fixed.

"The rest of the team" aka 2 players that went into upper city to assault the enemy base on their own?
Sorry but from your pic it very much looks like you and your buddy were the ones that went rambo, not the majority of the team that stayed to defend the base.

[Viper69]

Mercules, on 28 November 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

While defending the base isn't the best idea, splitting up willy-nilly is worse.

I agree, but the voice comm group sometimes needs to adapt to the pick up groups flow. The best winning teams have a backup plan and usually ends up being the winning plan. Our backup plan is support the pick up groups push and try to make the best of them running off.

[Jonnara]

Jun Watarase, on 28 November 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

The result should have been that you left the base with the rest of the team, thus keeping your strongest 'mechs together. Why didn't you?

Fixed.

What happens in 4men vs pugs here if we spawn in upper city is we Defend it and watch other team get malted as there is no cover from the 3/4 to the base and we get brawlers cover around D7 with LRM support if other side pushes along the G line from lower city.

Its very standard on that map if you spawn on top.

[Ransack]

Hmmm. For the most part, everyone defends the High side. They told you that they were defending, half of you run off, and it's their fault that you lost?

I'm not sure if you are serious with this one.

[Jun Watarase]

>4 guys
>majority of the team
>mfw when you fail english

[CeeKay Boques]

There is a brand of 4 man I have run into, who privately say "Guard the base" to themselves, not chat, allow the Pugs to die, having done damge to the other team, then attempt to clean up those damaged mechs and get near free kills, depending on their pugs ability. I'm sure they lose quite often this way too.

[NeonKnight]

Jun Watarase, on 28 November 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

>If 4 guys insist on doing their own thing and ignoring the rest of the team, they are rambos
>if 4 guys group up before the game and insist on doing their own thing and ignoring the rest of the team, the other 4 guys are rambos

Premade logic.

Oh, this is toooo rich. Doesn't matter I can narely focus because of eye surgery or not, I cannot pass this up...


*BIG BREATH*

FOUR guys doing their own thing and ignoring YOU are rambos?

I LOVE this logic.

you Know Jun, what is missing from your little spiel above is the following:

the 4 guys defending the base are OBVIOUSLY premade because one person said, "LET'S DEFEND BASE!"

I think you better start looking in the mirror for who to blame there Jun...methinks (and I dare say 90% of the community agrees with me here), that the problem is likely you.

Remember, when you point your finger at some one and say: "You're the problem" three of the fingers are pointing back at you.

[Team Leader]

the unintentional comedy in this thread rules... OP tries to call out some guys and provided photo evidence which actually shows he is the one who went rambo. Oh the irony! Sorry jun, maybe next time buddy

[GrimReality]

4 Mechs leave, 4 Mechs stay... and you're arguing over which group had majority rule?

The fact is, in this case, it doesn't matter who ran pre-made and who didn't. You didn't behave like a team so you lost. Period.

Find a better example of pre-mades ruining your gaming experience, or drop the issue and be more reasonable.

[NeonKnight]

Lin Shai, on 28 November 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

I really am curious to see what that excuse changes to when he's once again getting killed by PUGs but can't make the excuse that it was a "pre-made" though.

You and me both there Lin Shai, you and me and about 2000 others!