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[GioAvanti]

Mercules, on 28 November 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

This "rest of the team" concept is hard to grasp eh? More than HALF the team was in the base. Logic would dictate that the "Team" was where the majority of the people were. You were not where the majority was. You were not playing with the team. The "rest of the team" was on base, where were you?

Defending is generally stupid unless you're expecting a quick base rush.

[Sevaradan]

Btw for the OP:

As you stated it was a 4 man premade taking on the other team, so they can't be SOLOING. Solo =1, 4 != 1. Learn maths please, thanks.

[Comassion]

Jun Watarase, on 28 November 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

The result should have been that you left the base with the rest of the team, thus keeping your strongest 'mechs together. Why didn't you?

Fixed.

You know what the other team did?

'Let's defend the base.' And they did.

And a scout ran in. And they killed it.

Then they saw two assaults wandering around in the lower city by themselves. So they said 'Lets go get those guys.' And they did.

And then they were up 3-0. And they said 'let's push the enemy base and finish this.' And they did. Together. And they may have been all pugs. They may have been a premade and some pugs. They may even have been the rare double-premade, but this is unlikely. But they used teamwork and you did not.

You have nearly a thousand posts on this board. A thousand. How can you possibly not understand the team-oriented nature of this game? How can you possibly have walked off all the way across the water to the lower city and not noticed that it was just you and one other 'mech just hanging out in the breeze, waiting to be picked off?

It's one thing to play poorly. It's entirely another to complain about the premade that tried to play well and incorporate you in their teamplay by communicating with you. You had the option to listen to and follow their plan. You ALSO had the option of proposing your own counter-plan and discussing it in chat. But you chose the worst of all things, ignoring any plan entirely and doing your own thing.

A lot of players do what you do, sadly, but you're the first one I've seen with the gall to come and complain about the other guys.

Learn to play, novice.

[Bagheera]

Jun Watarase, on 28 November 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

... at start of the game they announced they were going to "defend base"....

Well, if they just sat there and didn't tell you their plan, that's one thing.

If 4 of you go wandering off after they clearly state their intention and proceed to execute their plan, well, that's on you guys.

[Ransack]

Jun Watarase, on 28 November 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

>If 4 guys insist on doing their own thing and ignoring the rest of the team, they are rambos
>if 4 guys group up before the game and insist on doing their own thing and ignoring the rest of the team, the other 4 guys are rambos

Premade logic.

Whiskey Tang Foxtrot???

I see what you did there. This is a covert attempt at premade bashing. Goodness man, You got your wish, 8 man teams are a thing of the past and you STILL can't win. I think you need to look at the person in the mirror.

[Kilgore]

Lin Shai, on 28 November 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Wait ... I'm confused.

The people playing as a team said to defend the base, and then the PUGs all ran off and died?

Sounds ... normal to me.

Well, that and the part where you lost. Still coming up with new reasons that happens, I see.

This says it all, does it? A PUG person is complaining that the there was not enough co-operation. Priceless.

[Viper69]

I think we all made our points, we can stop beating the guy up, offer some quarter already.

[Kyrie]

I'll admit I am fascinated by this thread, kinda like watching a train wreck in slow motion... it just can't end well. :-)

[Broceratops]

you just need to get a fire line and wait for them all to come in ... everybody aim in the same direction and just you know

focus firing > tactics

[NeonKnight]

Jun Watarase, on 28 November 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

>4 guys
>majority of the team
>mfw when you fail english

Let me clean up your math here:

4 guys of 8 is 50%

4 / 8 = .5 * 100% = 50%

Majority: a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total <a majority of voters> <a two-thirds majority>

50% is not MORE than half, nor is it less than Half, it is exactly HALF.

**NOTE** the above math is based on the assumption that Jun does not somehow have the power of VETO

[Lefty Lucy]

Broceratops, on 28 November 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

you just need to get a fire line and wait for them all to come in ... everybody aim in the same direction and just you know

focus firing > tactics

Pretty much. Even if you have voice with half your team, you don't have voice with the other half, so simple, easy-to-follow directions win the day.

[Mercules]

Viper69, on 28 November 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

I agree, but the voice comm group sometimes needs to adapt to the pick up groups flow. The best winning teams have a backup plan and usually ends up being the winning plan. Our backup plan is support the pick up groups push and try to make the best of them running off.

Jun is not the person to be supporting though. I've played with and against. Jun has a blind hatred for anyone playing on voice chat which I do not comprehend. I have been called naughty names in game by Jun because I was on voice with other people. Ehem.

[Broceratops]

Lefty Lucy, on 28 November 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Pretty much. Even if you have voice with half your team, you don't have voice with the other half, so simple, easy-to-follow directions win the day.

shameless plug demonstrating premades who think they can solo the enemy team

[Viper69]

Mercules, on 28 November 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Jun is not the person to be supporting though. I've played with and against. Jun has a blind hatred for anyone playing on voice chat which I do not comprehend. I have been called naughty names in game by Jun because I was on voice with other people. Ehem.

Not supporting anyone really. I am supporting the use of smarts by everyone. If the players at the base would have taken note and used the time to their advantage they could have rolled a flank. It was obviously a dogpile on the first few mechs, at which time the people sitting should have taken note and moved out to press the obvious assault. Defending is only good in some instances, but not in this one when you leave your d!ck in the wind it is going to get cut off. Their forward force got cut off and the defenders were left to fight 2v1 odds. Still surmountable had they focused their fire BTW.

[Doomie77]

Awww man, sometimes, 4 man premades can and DO wipe the entire other team, as long as it's all pugs.

[Sevaradan]

Doomie77, on 28 November 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Awww man, sometimes, 4 man premades can and DO wipe the entire other team, as long as it's all pugs.

or the other premade is out of position, bad or lost etc...

[Stygian Steel]

Lefty Lucy, on 28 November 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

Why are you telling them to do something different than what your team is doing? Most of the time flanking maneuvers and splitting your team are worthless tactics.

because most premades want the pugs to soften the enemy up and act as a distraction while they go around and mop up the soften enemy to get the kills and glory.....i know thats what i do

[Congzilla]

Jun Watarase, on 28 November 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

>If 4 guys insist on doing their own thing and ignoring the rest of the team, they are rambos
>if 4 guys group up before the game and insist on doing their own thing and ignoring the rest of the team, the other 4 guys are rambos

Premade logic.

What kind of logic are you using that you think 4 people with mechs fit to support each other, a plan, and voice comms is the same as 4 random people with no plan running off and doing their own thing?

[DraigUK]

NeonKnight, on 28 November 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

Let me clean up your math here:

4 guys of 8 is 50%

4 / 8 = .5 * 100% = 50%

Majority: a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total <a majority of voters> <a two-thirds majority>

50% is not MORE than half, nor is it less than Half, it is exactly HALF.

**NOTE** the above math is based on the assumption that Jun does not somehow have the power of VETO

In his own screenshot he highlights the fact that 1 of the pugs had only *just* left the base. So for most of the time there were 5 at the base and 3 out doing their own thing. One was a scout.

The other 2 of 3 included Jun.

5/8 = majority.

Hahahah this is the funniest thread I've seen in ages, still ******* myself laughing.

[Lin Shai]

Viper69, on 28 November 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

I think we all made our points, we can stop beating the guy up, offer some quarter already.

Kyrie, on 28 November 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

I'll admit I am fascinated by this thread, kinda like watching a train wreck in slow motion... it just can't end well. :-)

I know ... I know ... but I just can't help but adding another:

Which PUG, since they all ran off in random directions, was the organized team that had a plan in the first place suddenly supposed to support?

See here's the thing when you want to talk about the term "majority" and "team".

4 people had a plan, communicated said plan, executed said plan as a team.
1 (bad) scout ran off and got killed.
2 people ran off and rushed the enemy.
1 other ... didn't seem to know what he was doing.

Now ... would you like me to point out what the majority of players in this situation were doing, and who was playing as a team?