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[Aegic]

It might be nice, but that might mess with the balance of the game. Typically a Mech will out maneuver a vehicle any day of the week and has a larger payload and armor than their wheel/tread/hover bound counterparts.

The last thing I would want is to load into a game with a few slow and/or weak as hell vehicles that will (for the most part) get alpha shot by most mechs over lets say 70 tons.

I just don't see it adding any fun to the game. Not enough to balance out what it doesn't bring to the table.

Besides if we want all that we have BF3 which DOES have respawning.

[Sylow]

Aegic, on 15 June 2012 - 08:51 AM, said:

It might be nice, but that might mess with the balance of the game. Typically a Mech will out maneuver a vehicle any day of the week and has a larger payload and armor than their wheel/tread/hover bound counterparts.

Uh, not exactly. By canon and construction rules, tanks quite regularily have more of weapons and (effective) armour than mechs. Consider this: one ton of armour gives as much protection to the mech as to the tank, but the tank only has 5 zones to cover, while the mech has 11. Thus a tank can afford to put a little more on weapons while maintaining a similar degree of protection on all its zones. (With the disadvantage: one zone being penetrated usually already is the end of the tank. )

The real drawbacks of BT tanks traditionally are mobility and chances to take critical hits. Mechs are able to travel over rough ground and climb slopes, which stop a tank dead. Transfering that into an online game is a big challenge, though, and tanks might need other drawbacks (and a lot of balancing) than in the old table top, so make them both enjoyable but not overpowered. Which is THE big reason why, although having them would be great, they should only be implemented after mech combat is done, fine and dandy.

Edited by Sylow, 15 June 2012 - 09:08 AM.

[sng ign]

For the multi-crew vehicle option, an old Xbox 360 game called "The Outfit" gave players a small squad of four bots to help crew a vehicle. As more bots were killed, the vehicle was less effective in combat (the player still controlled all the vehicle functions).



Maybe having a squad of tough (but vulnerable) squad bots is a good approach for players who want to use vehicles in MWO, or want to use Power Armor / Battlesuits / Elementals.

[Aegic]

Sylow, on 15 June 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

Uh, not exactly.

I see what you are saying, however there are exceptions that validate both of our points. I think you and I can agree, however, that with 2 pilots of equal skill ton for ton a mech will strategically outweigh a tank.

This is, afterall, Mech Warrior Online and not Tank Warrior Online.

[Xantars]

tanks are roller skates for battle mechs

[SideSt3p]

Hate to be the negative nancy but the game is titled: MechWarrior: Online not BattleTech: Online.

Vehicles != BattleMechs.

[Seabear]

Personally, I do not want vehicles to be playable. MW is about mechs. There are plenty of vehicle games available.

[Aegic]

Aegic, on 15 June 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

This is, afterall, Mech Warrior Online and not Tank Warrior Online.

SideSt3p, on 15 June 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

Hate to be the negative nancy but the game is titled: MechWarrior: Online not BattleTech: Online.

[deltacharlie]

I would like to see vehicles as a special ability to have dropped into a match. Early on it was mentioned the idea of a commander calling in a recon drone for support. Why not have a defensive ability to call in a pair of tanks to shore up base defenses. A fire support lance could call in a LRM carrier once they have found the ideal location to assist the forward elements. The vehicles would lack the mobility of a Mech, evening the playing field depending on the map.

[Sylow]

Aegic, on 15 June 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

I see what you are saying, however there are exceptions that validate both of our points. I think you and I can agree, however, that with 2 pilots of equal skill ton for ton a mech will strategically outweigh a tank.

Indeed, I can agree on that. It's not without reason that i put "regularily" in my statement on tanks. There are tanks which match your statement, and we both say that tanks usually lack agility, which easily gets them killed, making the mech the better choice. (In the world of BT. )

Edited by Sylow, 15 June 2012 - 09:32 AM.

[BFalcon]

SideSt3p, on 15 June 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

Hate to be the negative nancy but the game is titled: MechWarrior: Online not BattleTech: Online.

Vehicles != BattleMechs.

While I agree with your sentiment, just to nitpick a second: If it was Battletech Online, we'd be looking down at the mechs - Mechwarrior is the name of the associated roleplaying game, in which you can play infantry, aero or vehicle crews if you wish, among others, so technically the name would not preclude vehicles. Just saying.

As I said above - I wouldn't mind NPC vehicles and infantry to round out the target list though... the infantry especially give a sense of scale, aside from anything else.

[cipher]

As others have said, I don't want to see vehicles either.

Granted the Battletech/Mechwarrior universe is rich with all sorts of vehicles, aerotech, troops, elementals, VTOLs, etc., but I don't want to have to be looking down near my mech's feet for vehicles running around, even if they show up on radar or marked on the HUD. I want to be looking for mechs of a somewhat identifiable shape as targets. Sorry OP, nice idea, but no thank you.

[Sylow]

Yea, yea, dreaming of the distant future... helicopters provide long range recon info, while mechs battle it out on the ground, clearing the way for the APC which delivers a squad of infantry to storm the HPG, which is way too valuable to be assaulted by mechs...

But while that might sound like great fun, i wouldn't expect it within several years to come.

Edited by Sylow, 15 June 2012 - 09:39 AM.

[Maxxinator]

wolf74, on 03 November 2011 - 06:37 PM, said:

Yes I want to drive them, but there not so easy as you say. Due to the fact there two core basic way I see you have to pick from for coding.

1. One Tank One Player, Player Drives from a Turret Location. When the Player Fire at a target from the Turret, the Weapons on that side of the Tank in the correct arc also fire. Limiting the Tank to a single Direction of fire at all times.

2. Multi-Crew Tanks. Up to 5 Players can be in a Tank, (they count as one unit on the battlefield)
1st. Front weapons & Driver (Host player most of the time, they can pick which seat to sit in)
2st Turret Control
3rd & 4th Side Guns
5th Aft weapons.

If they do due tanks I would like to see option 2 personally.

As for the armor tanks Normally had Higher Armor Value then most Mechs of the same Weight class on a Given side but there had a Lot of little weak point in the armor that lets them be disabled, This part may have to be toned down just a bit for fun factor.

Or they could just make a small "Mech" on wheels with 360 torso twist shaped like a Demolisher with 2 AC/20s. The wheels are the biggest problem I see, and while I'm not a coder, I can't see that being very hard with a CryTek engine.

Edited by Maxxinator, 15 June 2012 - 09:45 AM.

[Jost]

screw ball, on 15 June 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

i personally think they should do it, there are some definate heavy hitters in the vehicle world
i could see clans of tanks rolling around destorying everything

"De-storying". You've unintentionally used exactly the right word, I think.

[BubbaHoTep]

Vehicles would be nice, but all I really want to see is my beloved Warhammer...

[BFalcon]

Jost, on 15 June 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

"De-storying". You've unintentionally used exactly the right word, I think.

Care to elaborate on this?

[cipher]

Jost, on 15 June 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

"De-storying". You've unintentionally used exactly the right word, I think.

LOL! Nice catch!

BFalcon, on 15 June 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

Care to elaborate on this?

I don't think he needs to. It's just a joke, and if it has to be explained, it loses its comedic value.

Edited by cipher, 15 June 2012 - 09:57 AM.

[Lt muffins]

vehicle tree.......

[Nemesiis]

No tanks or other vehicles. Call me a purist but i would rather see 50 mechs available down the road, then hey we just turned MWO in to a cool neat uber special *** awesome neat Hybrid of MWO, World of tanks, and world of warplanes !!!!!