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[Bishop Steiner]

You see, one thing has stuck in my craw from the start about all this "PUGGY v PREMIE" qq-ing.

You have the PUGnation crying that they can't win because they keep getting stomped by Pre-Mades. And so PGI needs to bend over to their demands, or they will crash and burn since the vast majority of players, and hence, potential income is from casual PUGs.

Well the problem is BOTH statements cannot be true.

You see, if the vast majority of players are PUGs, then the vast majority of drops, YOU ARE ALSO FACING PUGS. In which case the evil Pre-Made boogeyman is a myth, and you are getting stomped primarily by other PUGs (Maybe by ones who have figured out the Command Map, text chat and teamwork stuff).

Conversely, if you are getting rolled constantly by Pre-Mades, then the majority of the players (by inference) cannot be PUGs, which means catering to PUGnation is actually counter productive. Especially since it seems most of the Serial QQ PUGs are not Founders, or have in any other way put money into the game. Whereas most of the Teams out there are mostly peopled by Founders (aka the people who actually ARE financially keeping this game afloat).


4-8 man premades on teamspeak certainly have an advantage over an all PUG group. (Of course, even casual players could just as easily use TS3 and join any of the many many PUGs in their that actually DO use voice comms). There is no denying that. And that is why they are implementing the different Phases of Matchmaking. What is ludicrous is the charge that Premades are ruining the game, since they can't both be the extreme minority of the community AND be stomping you every single match. I hear that Premies will start crying once they face real competition (which in some cases will certainly be true), but once phase 2 implements, who will PUGnation have to blame when many continue to get stomped?

SO WHICH IS IT?

Are Evil Pre-Mades REALLY ruining the game, or are you using Pre-Mades as an excuse for your own lack of skill or coordination?

Or is it really somewhere in the middle, where sometimes you get rolled by a Pre-Made, but just as likely, you got rolled by PUGs who were smart enough NOT to try the Solo Rambo Hero route?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 02 December 2012 - 10:22 AM.

[dal10]

yes

[QuantumButler]

You obviously haven't kept up with the news, the new group of scapegoats ruining the game is us in Kong, we're apparently the source of all the woe in this game ever.

[Sifright]

QuantumButler, on 02 December 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

You obviously haven't kept up with the news, the new group of scapegoats ruining the game is us in Kong, we're apparently the source of all the woe in this game ever.

It's true, you guys hacked the gibson and now their source code is crap

sadness.

[Sevaradan]

I only premade I would rather play minesweeper than pug.

QuantumButler, on 02 December 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

You obviously haven't kept up with the news, the new group of scapegoats ruining the game is us in Kong, we're apparently the source of all the woe in this game ever.

that may be true but my dogs enjoy your brand of chew toys.

[Staplebeater]

We will find out with the patch. If their are a **** ton of premades then we won't see the same group over and over while we match. If we keep seeing the same handful of 8man lances over and over that means their aren't that many out there

[CoolLew]

I only PUG, unfortuatatly I don't have the savvy to know how to do anything else

[Broceratops]

50/50 split for me. pugstomping creates bad habits without 8v8

[BloodLegacy]

You should make it a poll.

[The Amazing Atomic Spaniel]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 December 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

Or is it really somewhere in the middle, where sometimes you get rolled by a Pre-Made, but just as likely, you got rolled by PUGs who were smart enough NOT to try the Solo Rambo Hero route?

It's almost certainly this. We don't have hard data, but the key advantage is probably voice comms rather than being a pre-arranged team. Even a random group of players on 3rd party VOIP has a huge advantage over those just using PGI's chat window.

[Bguk]

Currently it's whatever people want to believe as there is no in game way to tell who is who. Educated guesses can be made but that's about it.

[Vlad Ward]

There are more pugs than premades.

Individual premade players play more often that individual pug players.

Everything else in the OP has been said a million times before. What sparked it this time?

[QuantumButler]

Vlad Ward, on 02 December 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

There are more pugs than premades.

Individual premade players play more often that individual pug players.

Everything else in the OP has been said a million times before. What sparked it this time?

All of this has happened before, all of this will happen again.

[Bluescuba]

It will be glorious to drop without pugs...

No more akers, suiciders or botters

Maybe not zero trash talk, but considerably less

Playing with people who know the game and canon (on both sides)

Real teams to test our metal

Diverse mech builds were team mates play specific roles

A true game of tactics and skill

Full comms

And best of all no more qqing about stomping in the forums

[Vlad Ward]

Bluescuba, on 02 December 2012 - 09:46 AM, said:

And best of all no more qqing about stomping in the forums

You wish.

[Bluescuba]

Vlad Ward, on 02 December 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

You wish.

LOL

You think the premades who get stomped will complain in the forum.... Nah that would just brand their merc unit as sub par. More likely they will keep quiet and practice

[Bishop Steiner]

Vlad Ward, on 02 December 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

There are more pugs than premades.

Individual premade players play more often that individual pug players.

Everything else in the OP has been said a million times before. What sparked it this time?

got some hard data the rest of us don't? I know Garth promised us numbers weeks ago, but I haven't seen em yet.

[QuantumButler]

Bluescuba, on 02 December 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

LOL

You think the premades who get stomped will complain in the forum.... Nah that would just brand their merc unit as sub par. More likely they will keep quiet and practice

He means that, because 4mans can still drop with pugs, premades can still pugstomp and the bads will continue to QQ about premades.

[Bishop Steiner]

Vlad Ward, on 02 December 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

There are more pugs than premades.

Individual premade players play more often that individual pug players.

Everything else in the OP has been said a million times before. What sparked it this time?

nonsense such as this
http://mwomercs.com/...e-90-of-gamers/

[Vlad Ward]

QuantumButler, on 02 December 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

He means that, because 4mans can still drop with pugs, premades can still pugstomp and the bads will continue to QQ about premades.

^ This.

People are already complaining about 3 and 4 person premades stomping them. Phase 2 won't change any of that.