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[Sikosis]

So, I see no poll . . . no input about shaping the game, no discussion at all really, just another statement derived to divide and incite. Why are SO MANY topics being deleted and this one spared? Especially since this particular topic not only has a pinned thread started, but under the current dictatorship we're kept from starting such topics as an attempt to keep the forums nice, neat and inert. . .

Must be the name attached to it. . . another reason why player moderation = bad idea

[p4r4g0n]

CoolLew, on 02 December 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

I only PUG, unfortuatatly I don't have the savvy to know how to do anything else

If you don't have an issue with it and have a headset, just jump on one of the public TS servers and give it a try. Don't even need a mic in TS, if I remember correctly. You can text chat I think.

All you really need is listen to the group leader or team mates chatter and coordinate accordingly.

[Nathan Xain]

This thread should have a poll, so that at least we can get an idea of the make up of the active forum community. But until PGI give us real figures about it, we are going to be guessing.

[Broceratops]

Bluescuba, on 02 December 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

LOL

You think the premades who get stomped will complain in the forum.... Nah that would just brand their merc unit as sub par. More likely they will keep quiet and practice

someone will eventually make a thread about how they want to be able to have a 7 man group in the regular queue. this will make my day that day

[M0rpHeu5]

Pug, i'd like to e in a group and feel like a winner 3ut i don't have a mic and i cannot use teamspeak.

[Johnny Reb]

In a "premade" and my mech corp is relishing the chance to only face other 8 man "premade" teams!

edit: our drop chances against each other is going to go up alot.

Edited by Johnny Reb, 02 December 2012 - 10:21 AM.

[Valleros]

I actually enjoy pugging as it is now. Sure, it can be onesided sometimes (sometimes in my favor, sometimes against me), but the game is still fun to play.

Would it be a better game for pugs if they didn't have to jump with premades? Yup, it would be nice, but I really don't care.

What I absolutely look forward to, is the 8 v 8 premades cue. Hopefully the lamenting about how terrible pugs are, for not wanting to get into voice chat, will lessen then.

[Broceratops]

M0rpHeu5, on 02 December 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

Pug, i'd like to e in a group and feel like a winner 3ut i don't have a mic and i cannot use teamspeak.

dont need a mic to use teamspeak. its just the games LFG right now. a lot of people odn't even talk

[Bishop Steiner]

Sikosis, on 02 December 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

So, I see no poll . . . no input about shaping the game, no discussion at all really, just another statement derived to divide and incite. Why are SO MANY topics being deleted and this one spared? Especially since this particular topic not only has a pinned thread started, but under the current dictatorship we're kept from starting such topics as an attempt to keep the forums nice, neat and inert. . .

Must be the name attached to it. . . another reason why player moderation = bad idea

Divide and incite? Only because you come into it looking to do so already. Simply stated, there are 2 constant complaints: That the Devs need to listen to the PUGs because they form the backbone of MW:O. And, that Premades are ruinging the game for said PUGs. Both cannot be true.

Perhaps the point, instead is to use reason to actually get people to re-evaluate a recurring, and false set of arguments that actually IS divisive?

As for the POLL, (been working at it since BloodLegacy mentioned it, and I thought, hmmm, sure, why not? But I also have been doing real world things, like making breakfast, which I find more important than this, TBH) I wanted to take time to try to word it in a way that people looking for complaint wouldn't just scream "It's inherently biased and therefore invalid" which is what so many of you like to do ANY time the representative sampling disagrees with your precious preconceived, and usually inaccurate, notions.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 02 December 2012 - 10:30 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Johnny Reb, on 02 December 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

In a "premade" and my mech corp is relishing the chance to only face other 8 man "premade" teams!

edit: our drop chances against each other is going to go up alot.

Ditto Johnny Reb. And when it hits, ALL of our K/Dr and W/L will take a hit. Which is fine since I find them to be bunk stats which don't really tell the true story. And since I play the game to have fun and a challenge, I find stats just another thing for people with no life outside of gaming to stroke their E-peen to.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 02 December 2012 - 10:34 AM.

[Valleros]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 December 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

Simply stated, there are 2 constant complaints: That the Devs need to listen to the PUGs because they form the backbone of MW:O. And, that Premades are ruinging the game for said PUGs. Both cannot be true.

I think you also have seen a few threads complaining about PUGs ruining the game for premades.

The Devs need to listen to the whole community.

[Sora01]

Pug right now, wouldn't mind getting into some pre-made matches though.

[p4r4g0n]

Having a forum poll on this issue seems a little pointless since a significant portion of the playing population doesn't even bother to come to the forum let alone read anything not of immediate interest i.e. patch notes, next mech release etc.

[Critical Fumble]

For the most part the "steamroll(lololololololol)" matches seem to be more of a cascade failure than the fault of a max tweaked srsbiznus premade.

Someone has to die first, but if they do that early their team loses their firepower, making it hard for them to even the match up while the other team has an easier time focusing fire. Seeing as premade teams can focus fire easier with VOIP, and have members who are less likely to pull a Leeroy Jenkins; its reasonable to say that if you are playing against a premade, you're more likely to lose in a landslide than you would be if you were playing against a pure random group. This would lead the more tinfoil oriented populace to believe that a landslide against them is most likely a premade, not realizing that if X% of their matches were landlsides, more than (X/2)% of the teams would have to be premades.

[Armorpiercer M82]

PUG only.

we need pug vs pug. the rest play each other.

[skullman86]

If there was a fully integrated VOIP system and/or more options for adding players to the friends list (while in a match or through a recently played with list), I bet there would be a lot less PUGers or at the very least you would see an increase in teamwork.

[Bishop Steiner]

Valleros, on 02 December 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

I think you also have seen a few threads complaining about PUGs ruining the game for premades.

The Devs need to listen to the whole community.

Good point. Though I would say there is a little more validity to the claim, since Premades actually know when they are in a premade. And it becomes apparent fast when you are working with a second 4man, or a bunch of Solo Heroes. PUG wanting PUG only drops are essentially saying they are OK with having a bunch of AFKers, Griefers and such in their group.

Yet funnily enough, when we announce we have a 4 man, seems many PUGs are only more than happy to tag along and have some coordination. Even when I am pugging, I HATE dealing with the Solo Hero crowd, since they pretty much guarantee me a loss no matter WHAT the other side is fielding.

That said, their is certainly enough QQ going on both sides of the debate.

p4r4g0n, on 02 December 2012 - 10:43 AM, said:

Having a forum poll on this issue seems a little pointless since a significant portion of the playing population doesn't even bother to come to the forum let alone read anything not of immediate interest i.e. patch notes, next mech release etc.

Hence the reason I didn't add a poll until asked. But figured after BloodLegacy asked, that it won't really prove anything, but probably won't hurt either.

[p4r4g0n]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 December 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Hence the reason I didn't add a poll until asked. But figured after BloodLegacy asked, that it won't really prove anything, but probably won't hurt either.

LOL .... I'm quessing this is going to turn into another PUG vs Premade love fest.

[Critical Fumble]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 December 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

PUG wanting PUG only drops are essentially saying they are OK with having a bunch of AFKers, Griefers and such in their group.

We're not okay with the intentionally useless, we just want even numbers of them on both sides. A four man premade means four fewer chances for that (unless you happen to be Bad Luck Bryan), so of course we love premades when they're on our side; but when we don't have one, the other side does, and one or more of our teammates alphastike themselves to death, it seems wildly unfair.

[JimSuperBleeder]

I duo with my brother but that's still pugging in my book.