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[Stone Profit]

Seems like 90 percent of the people who post here these days are... unreasonabley negative both towards pgi (although I can see how SOME of them might be justified) or towards anyone who dares feel thisgame is fine or even great. Just wanted to express that. Thanks for your time. If I have any sense you wont see me on here again. But you might see me on the battlefield. Good day, sir!

[Sifright]

Stone Profit, on 04 December 2012 - 02:46 AM, said:

Seems like 90 percent of the people who post here these days are... unreasonabley negative both towards pgi (although I can see how SOME of them might be justified) or towards anyone who dares feel thisgame is fine or even great. Just wanted to express that. Thanks for your time. If I have any sense you wont see me on here again. But you might see me on the battlefield. Good day, sir!

when people have legitimate complaints, (people with complaints always feel they are legitimate) no one wants some scrub that is having no problems to **** in their cereal and tell them the problems don't exist and that they should shut up and take it.

[PurpleNinja]

We will miss you.

Maybe not.

[Rifter]

There are just as many PGI white knights that ignore all issues even ones PGI has come out and admitted and blindly spam threads in defense of PGI thinking they can do no wrong as there are haters.

So really it evens out in the end.

Sifright, on 04 December 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

when people have legitimate complaints, (people with complaints always feel they are legitimate) no one wants some scrub that is having no problems to **** in their cereal and tell them the problems don't exist and that they should shut up and take it.

This is exactly what i was talking about in my reply above.

[PurpleNinja]

Rifter, on 04 December 2012 - 02:50 AM, said:

There are just as many PGI white knights...

Not me, I'm a black knight.

And a ninja.

[Sifright]

Rifter, on 04 December 2012 - 02:50 AM, said:

There are just as many PGI white knights that ignore all issues even ones PGI has come out and admitted and blindly spam threads in defense of PGI thinking they can do no wrong as there are haters.

So really it evens out in the end.



This is exactly what i was talking about in my reply above.

Indeed, I think the large amount of negativity is actually entirely due to the white knighting players. The people with problems feel they have to shout them ever louder or they will be drowned out by people going "BUT NOTHING IS WRONG!"

I know i'm posting quite negatively because people who don't understand the core mechanics keep saying everything is fine, when they have blatently poor understanding of whats going on.

[Rifter]

PurpleNinja, on 04 December 2012 - 02:53 AM, said:

Not me, I'm a black knight.

And a ninja.

lol

Sifright, on 04 December 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

Indeed, I think the large amount of negativity is actually entirely due to the white knighting players. The people with problems feel they have to shout them ever louder or they will be drowned out by people going "BUT NOTHING IS WRONG!"

I know i'm posting quite negatively because people who don't understand the core mechanics keep saying everything is fine, when they have blatently poor understanding of whats going on.

Im positive you are correct, thats the funny thing, the white knights think they are helping and really when you get down to it by ignoring all issues even ones PGI themselves have announced they are hurting the game even more than the haters.

[Revorn]

PurpleNinja, on 04 December 2012 - 02:53 AM, said:

Not me, I'm a black knight.

And a ninja.

Ninja uhm.... maybe, but Black? No... you are Purple.

[PurpleNinja]

I have bipolar disorder.

[Raidyr]

I'd suggest staying away from most message boards if you lack the emotional fortitude to withstand people criticizing your favorite game developers.

Edited by Raidyr, 04 December 2012 - 03:05 AM.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

I barely come here anymore either compared with how often I used to. You really beat the dead horse by discussing the game's issues because 1-2 months will go by before anything is done about them. People either agree with you or disagree with you but either way, more often than not, they will remind in the game, for better or worse, for a really long time. I bet all we'll get today is the fancy new OP ECM and hero variant. We had to have that stuff, so important, but fixes to the economy and game breaking blackscreen load crashes? Who cares about that? Maybe it's different developers working on different aspects of the game, people chalk it up to things like that and it's probably true, but I'm still not buying that it takes 2 months to write some lines of code to remove AFK rewards.

[Revorn]

PurpleNinja, on 04 December 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

I have bipolar disorder.

Lol

Bipolar or Dissoziative Disorder?

[PurpleNinja]

Revorn, on 04 December 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Lol

Bipolar or Dissoziative Disorder?

Now I'm in doubt.
I'll ask my medical personality about it.

[Brilig]

I think what kills me a lot of the time are people who continue to complain about issues the Devs say they are going to address and fix. If you have other suggestions for a fix that's always good. Concerns about a problem their fix might cause, by all means post away. But to continuously freak out about something after they said they are working on it?

Blaming white knights for barking back at the doom and gloom crowd is annoying as well. By all means raise an issue, offer a fix, no one will jump your **** for that. White knights tend to bounce in after someone posts something with any of the following. OMG I HATE PGI THEY ARE ALL MORONS AND THIS GAME WILL FAIL BECAUSE ME AND MY BUDDIES ARE GOING TO QUIT IF YOU DONT FIX THIS THE WAY I WANT IT YESTERDAY. You want to throw your opinion around in the above manner, and not expect someone to shout back at you? Really?

[Thorn Hallis]

Sifright, on 04 December 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

Indeed, I think the large amount of negativity is actually entirely due to the white knighting players.

It ain't the "white knights" that come up with the "OMG PGI IS INCOMPETENT!!111roflzomg"-stuff.

[Revorn]

PurpleNinja, on 04 December 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

Now I'm in doubt.
I'll ask my medical personality about it.

Oki, sounds like an dissoziative Dissorder, maybe one of the personalitys suffer from Bipolar Disorder as well.

[Sifright]

Thorn Hallis, on 04 December 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

It ain't the "white knights" that come up with the "OMG PGI IS INCOMPETENT!!111roflzomg"-stuff.

no but the people who say that are pretty much spot on, either pgi are incomptent in terms of programming skills or they are incompetent in terms of task management and prioritizing.

it's one or the other.

It doesn't help they split their workforce over three different game projects when they have such small staff numbers any way.

Three game projects for a 45 person studio... really?

Thats incompetent management to think thats feasible.

[DerSpecht]

Sifright, on 04 December 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

no but the people who say that are pretty much spot on, either pgi are incomptent in terms of programming skills or they are incompetent in terms of task management and prioritizing.

it's one or the other.

It doesn't help they split their workforce over three different game projects when they have such small staff numbers any way.

Three game projects for a 45 person studio... really?

Thats incompetent management to think thats feasible.

And you know that because you are in PGIs controlling-department... regarding their programming skills you must be a ex HR-department guy or some other important PGI person.
You're talking about peoples skills you know. How can a person not involved in the team/company watching a beta judge like this?

[Sifright]

DerSpecht, on 04 December 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

And you know that because you are in PGIs controlling-department... regarding their programming skills you must be a ex HR-department guy or some other important PGI person.
You're talking about peoples skills you know. How can a person not involved in the team/company watching a beta judge like this?

because you can see what is being prioritized and it's not the bugs. Thats a task management failure. Performance on the game client is being destroyed by these bugs as well.

They are trying to make three different games at the same time so their work force is split over a lot of different tasks.

Management failure.

If they have prioritized bugs over content generation their coders aren't getting any where. Most of these bugs have been in the game for more than four months.

Coding skill failure.

either way you bounce it, either their management and task priotizing sucks or their coders aren't good enough to deal with the game engine at hand.

Then throw in the lack of planning and understanding about multiplayer games that use real time positional data needing predictive algs and you have another failure. (this is something thats been known about since 95, there is no excuse not having something in place that solves this issue when solutions where devised nearly 20 years ago.)

Management/planning failure.

They still haven't hired their lead network engineer.

HR failure.

Yes pgi isn't a very good studio.

Either it's management is terrible which I think is more likely.

or their programmers are.

Personally I think the studio has over stretched what it can achieve with to many projects and not enough work force to achieve any of them properly.

Edited by Sifright, 04 December 2012 - 03:38 AM.

[stjobe]

Sifright, on 04 December 2012 - 03:37 AM, said:

*rant snipped*

I'd make a reply, but you'd only label me as a white knight and dismiss my point of view, even though it's based on being a software developer for more than a decade.

That's the major flaw here; even well-reasoned posts that don't fully jump on the doom-and-gloom train gets labelled as white-knighting or dev-behind-kissing. Anything short of completely razing the game, the devs, the code, the balance, and the communication gets labelled "white-knighting" by the doom-and-gloom brigade.

There is such a thing as a reasoned response, you know, and what you and the rest of the doom-and-gloom brigade are doing isn't it.