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[Baltasar]

There will still be a lot of 4 man and below premades, not because they can't necessarily cut it as an 8 man group, but with out the implementation of any 5,6, or 7 man groups, as soon as one person has to drop for some reason you are forced back into smaller groups till someone is available to take their place. Really cuts down on the group night drunken shenanigan runs. Also, makes me wonder how they will implement a 12 man drop...if you don't have a full 12 man will you be able to drop as a team? That's going to be really annoying if that happens. Oh well, will just have to wait and see.

[FerretGR]

Makavelious, on 03 December 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

After tomorrow's patch, pre-mades will waive a final good-bye to the pugs with a solo mind set. Days of being shot in the back by pugs, to afking, to suicidal pugs will all end tomorrow.

It has been an interesting trip, but none the less we bid you a fond farewell.

Ultrabeast was supposed to make this thread.

[PropagandaWar]

I'll hope to have fun doing all three.

[Squid von Torgar]

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Quake Live lets premium/pro (think "paying") players spawn servers. This way, everything is still server-side, not hosted client-side, but the player is able to select what maps/weapons/etc are utilized. They can also arrange private games, for scrimmages, clan wars, tournaments, and more.

Ask anyone in a eight-player group, and they'd rather go up against another eight-player group. But not just ANY eight-player group - think playing with/against your own clan (practice matches, 2 lances each side), or specific other units/corps/whatever. It's much more stimulating, and a higher level of competition, to be able to seed tournaments and play things in order, rather than queueing at the same time and "hoping" you get matched together.

MWO is meant to be a MMO (or at least will be) and that means that it has to be run from a central server. At best we may get A EU server and if the demand is there a Asian server.

This isnt like COD (or Quake) where you can host from your bedroom or even pay for a dedicated server. And thats a good thing too as it would open the game up to massive amounts of exploitation.

I agree that it would be nice to have a Lobby where you could assemble and drop with other chosen teams and also chat via a text chat function. It would be even better for the PUGs so that if they wanted to stop running around TKing, AFKing and Exploiting whilst running in random directions like scattered geese, they could team up against other randomers or even other premades.

However for whatever reason PGI seem to think thats a bad idea or beyond their ken to implement. So we will now be able to drop as 8 vs 8 premades or thrown into the unholy soup of internet miscreants that is pugging.

Edited by Squid von Torgar, 03 December 2012 - 11:58 AM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

I will be playing in 8-person premades and PUGs, both solo and in small groups.

Now how the heck am I supposed to keep track of my luggage if I'm going in so many different directions?!

[Ashnod]

And we will finally get some real matches again... FINALLY THANK GOD

[Sikosis]

I can believe mods are reading this and not removing posts and editing things. Wow you guys are sure comfortable in your version of the "truth" while beating the snot out of the guy sitting next to you >< We ALL play the same game. . . and not all of us play just one way. I am a founder, but I regularly run trial mechs. It's a nice way to check your skills and refine your heat management and shot selection, because you're FORCED to. I play in pre-mades. I LOVE the coordination, cooperation and knowing that the guy next to me not only knows his role, but is there for me if I get in a pinch and visa versa. I also pub. . . get into the random TS3 server and drop with random folks, chat it up a bit and just hang out, sure we don't win much but its fun and if I can help someone or they can help me, then so be it. Sometimes you get the best pointers from someone who is removed from knowing you and worrying about how you might react, instead they see a problem and share it with you.

Overall in MOST environments I meet and work with mature people who are as receptive of help as they are willing to give it, so the one or two people I come across randomly who are NOT that type of person we all identify and report / handle. I do believe that most of you guys need to step back take a breath and look at things without the over load of emotion I see in a lot of your posts. Which is kind of funny that people can infer emotion from text, but man - you most definitely can see how people are angry, tired and just frustrated because they think they are alone facing a huge up-hill battle. . . or something, hell I don't know.

But honestly, I'm not perfect, I don't always win, my KDR is like .89 right now. . . yes, it's due to the changes in matchmaking, as well as times when I just wanna scream BANZAI and charge. . . other times when I have ZERO dmg and I get drilled and die from ONE SHOT. . . I mean come on guys, there are so many things wrong with this game right now matchmaking to be honest is a small small thing. Even after it's fixed you'll only be removing a couple of issues, if any from your existence. So is it really worth drawing blood over? Is it really worth destroying the other folks here posting to the point that they'd rather just ignore you. Or shouldn't we strive to point out the problems, subjectively and as neutrally as possible so that we can build a case for or against options to address said problem. Instead we're at it again. . . arguing in circles chasing the symptoms of the problem instead of the problem, which contrary to what many of you seem to believe is NOT the player to the right or left of you. . . its either the development or lack there of; an aspect of the game - or yourself; for not being flexible enough to adapt and overcome.

With all this chaos going on the past couple weeks, instead of whining and throwing a huge tantrum (I've done my share of ********, don't get me wrong) I've focused mostly on finding a way to make the game environment work for me while staying in line with the rules and spirit of the game. I would suggest that you all should do the same, it would be a lot less stressful, a lot more fun and pose less of a possibility that you get yourselves a seat next to Vas.

Here's to tomorrow!

[Volume]

Squid von Torgar, on 03 December 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

MWO is meant to be a MMO (or at least will be) and that means that it has to be run from a central server. At best we may get A EU server and if the demand is there a Asian server.

This isnt like COD (or Quake) where you can host from your bedroom or even pay for a dedicated server. And thats a good thing too as it would open the game up to massive amounts of exploitation.

I agree that it would be nice to have a Lobby where you could assemble and drop with other chosen teams and also chat via a text chat function. It would be even better for the PUGs so that if they wanted to stop running around TKing, AFKing and Exploiting whilst running in random directions like scattered geese, they could team up against other randomers or even other premades.

However for whatever reason PGI seem to think thats a bad idea or beyond their ken to implement. So we will now be able to drop as 8 vs 8 premades or thrown into the unholy soup of internet miscreants that is pugging.

You're misunderstanding me. Quake Live is web-based. Runs in a browser. Free to play. Nothing is client side. No one is hosting from their bedroom. This is actually very much like COD. What makes this game remotely like an MMO? 8v8 instanced battles? The persistent XP and whatnot is present in other games (including COD or BF), and the economy in TF2 is more robust (at least you can trade items).

What happens in QL is that a player sends a request to the server to spawn a shard for them (think creating one lobby/battle-area), with properties that they request, for private use. There are plenty of public ones as well. Again, this is server-side, not client-side.

You're right - text chat needs to be implemented (imo, public chat channels a la Starcraft/Diablo II would do just fine), and have lobby-chat. And it should be easier to join a team.

I think it could coexist with matchmaking, but what do I know.

But really - an 8v8 queue. What happens when there are no 8v8 teams in queue? And it will get there one day.

Imagine if you could spawn a server that was stock-configs only? I'm not suggesting NHUA, but perhaps banning Catapults and Jenners, or weapon-toggles (no configs with SSRMs allowed) or something. It's how League of Legends gets around broken Champions in ranked play - each team can ban some before the match starts.

Edited by Volume, 03 December 2012 - 12:28 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Volume, on 03 December 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

But really - an 8v8 queue. What happens when there are no 8v8 teams in queue? And it will get there one day.

They removed the Weight-Balance from 8v8 queues for, basically, that reason - long wait times.

So, yeah, I haven't moved this post off the forums because there is still a discussion going on here (in the background) and no reports of Coduct violations have been issued.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 03 December 2012 - 12:30 PM.

[Henchman 24]

Riffleman, on 03 December 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

I wrote a 2 line explination, you wrote a thesis on how much better your life will be without the big bad afkers costing you the game at launch. You mad bro? Yeah you mad. Nothing makes a mad madder than being madded back. Mad sad.

I dunno, I think it's kind of cute how he thinks 8v8 will somehow stop bots(if any)...it just shows how delusional some folks are.

And yeah, some of what was said about certain groups thinking they are all that and a bag of chips is dead on.

[Roadbeer]

Volume, on 03 December 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

You're misunderstanding me. Quake Live is web-based. Runs in a browser. Free to play. Nothing is client side. No one is hosting from their bedroom. This is actually very much like COD. What makes this game remotely like an MMO? 8v8 instanced battles? The persistent XP and whatnot is present in other games (including COD or BF), and the economy in TF2 is more robust (at least you can trade items).

What happens in QL is that a player sends a request to the server to spawn a shard for them (think creating one lobby/battle-area), with properties that they request, for private use. There are plenty of public ones as well. Again, this is server-side, not client-side.

I agree that text chat needs to be implemented (imo, public chat channels a la Starcraft/Diablo II would do just fine), and have lobby-chat. And it should be easier to join a team.

I think it could coexist with matchmaking, but what do I know.

But really - an 8v8 queue. What happens when there are no 8v8 teams in queue? And it will get there one day.

You do realize that there is a whole CW metagame that hasn't been introduced yet? Which, ultimately, will be the overall point of the game.

[von Pilsner]

Roadbeer, on 03 December 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

You do realize that there is a whole CW metagame that hasn't been introduced yet? Which, ultimately, will be the overall point of the game.

Yes, 90 days after we go open beta they are gonna give us CW....

[JimSuperBleeder]

All I care about is all this stuff working by the time of release. Until then... WWHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

[Agent of Change]

Henchman 24, on 03 December 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

I dunno, I think it's kind of cute how he thinks 8v8 will somehow stop bots(if any)...it just shows how delusional some folks are.

And yeah, some of what was said about certain groups thinking they are all that and a bag of chips is dead on.

i don't think it will stop bots... it will stop bots from being on my team, which quite frankly is my primary concern. Once they aren't possible to be on my team (because i will invite all the people on my team), they will still be a problem for the game in general but no longer impact my enjoyment of the game therefor making me a happy agent.

[Operant]

Bye bye puggies. I'll try to remember all the good times. Oh wait, there were no good times.

[SamizdatCowboy]

I mean, the phase 2 matchmaking is great and all, but not all of us have the luxury of running with 8 man groups. I'm typically in a 2, 3, or 4 man... which means me and my mates will still be dropping with PUGs.

Now I frankly don't mind this as much as other people because it's still just a lot of fun to have ANY teamwork at all, even with a small group against sub-par competition (although not always sub-par ).

But ideally it would be nice if the matchmaker was sophisticated enough to match ONLY pre against pre and pug against pug, by being able to take small or uneven size groups and add them together until you have an 8 man 'composed of premades.'

This wasn't mentioned for Phase 3, so not sure if such a thing is planned... That said I think ELO (matching players based on skill buckets) will help a lot with game balance and competitiveness, ideally ELO will be able to match not just individual players correctly but also pre vs pre

Edited by SamizdatCowboy, 03 December 2012 - 12:48 PM.

[Volume]

Roadbeer, on 03 December 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

You do realize that there is a whole CW metagame that hasn't been introduced yet? Which, ultimately, will be the overall point of the game.

In which case it will be like World of Tanks/Planetside having an overall world map, and our instanced 8v8 battles hold some meaning/merit and arranged 8v8 can be played (I would hope/assume).

That said, I'd be very happy if the game lasts that long. We all sort of hoped to see something like that in May, but I know it was closed beta and we weren't expecting too much. It's been seven months and some things are better, some things are worse, but the core experience is roughly the same...

[Armorpiercer M82]

[paladin yst]

Finally the game cleansed from griefers, cant wait for premades to get off to the other side where they get owned so badly they come back with their tails in between, but hey I dont want that to happen lol. Unfortunate events coz premades are all about talks, each claims they r the best.

Truth be known tomorrow when 9/10 of them actually suck. Premades who claim to be so well coordinated and all those empty talks, get ur lube ready.

Tomorrow gonna be such a great day, your griefing days over lol, afterall if they r actually any good, they wouldve pugged and get 7 kills. As for myself I`ve yet get the elusive 8th kills even after mastering 7 mechs already, anyway those in premades can hardly go beyond 2 kills lulz.

Jokes on those noobs tomorrow. Great day it will be.

[Salient]

Wouldnt have had to take this trip if PGI had their **** together in the first place. How hard is it to code up a solo queue?