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[ShadowDarter]

ok im running this

CPU: I7-3770 3.7Mz
Ram: 32gig Corsair
Gpu : GTX-680 2 gig Vid ram.

i should exceed even the high end specs, but im pulling in 30-45 FPS at Ultra high settings....

Overall for all settings and machines MWO needs work..

Edited by ShadowDarter, 09 December 2012 - 03:26 AM.

[Adridos]

Ahh... the HW requirements.

I suspect many of you have played games for far longer than me, so you should already know the HW requirements never fit. Never... ever.

[Stone Wall]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 03 December 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Hi-frikkin-LARIOUS. My all-in-one A10 5800K Trinity APU is above the RECOMENDED specs. I just about fell out of my chair laughing. This is difficult for people to achieve recomended specs on CryE3? HOW? Seriously, HOW? I mean, my bloody cheap-as-hell APU / MB and 2 4gb sticks of G Skill Ripjaws X Series DDR3 1866 was only a little above 300 USD.

Have you tried lowering your graphics? I reach the medium range and I have to run the game in Window mode.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Stone Wall, on 09 December 2012 - 06:15 AM, said:

Have you tried lowering your graphics? I reach the medium range and I have to run the game in Window mode.

You completely misunderstand what I'm sayin there. What I meant was, that recomended specs given for CE3 in the OP are insanely affordable, given that an AMD A10 5800K Trinity APU is above recomended specs, and if one has a computer already, all they need is 300 USD for an APU, motherboard and RAM to exceed them.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 10 December 2012 - 04:58 PM.

[Nechuchadnezar]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 07 December 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Well, all I'm going to say is, you're GPU mathematics are... off. Two-thirds the performance on my APU of a 5770 isn't even in the ballpark's parking lot.

APU's are the equivalent of built-in combo TV/VCR...or a cheap beginner's combo guitar amp @ 15 watts total power. http://www.videocard...et/gpu_list.php
Shows you that the 7660D that your APU possesses hits a mere 791 score. The 5770 used as the AMD example scores 1648...so actually worse than two-thirds buddy. The simple fact that you bought an APU shows that you know squat about the performance of a computer.

Do yourself a favor, you can pick up 7850's on Newegg for 160 shipped or thereabouts which rates a score of 3695. Then pick of a quad core black edition Phenom II x4 off Starmicro I think for 90 or so, get a standard heat sink and fan for the black off eBay for 15 bucks, then sell your APU and you probably would only spend about $150. Now you have a decent computer.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Nechuchadnezar, on 10 December 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

APU's are the equivalent of built-in combo TV/VCR...or a cheap beginner's combo guitar amp @ 15 watts total power. http://www.videocard...et/gpu_list.php
Shows you that the 7660D that your APU possesses hits a mere 791 score. The 5770 used as the AMD example scores 1648...so actually worse than two-thirds buddy. The simple fact that you bought an APU shows that you know squat about the performance of a computer.

Wow I love how people are taking time out of their daily lives of awesomeness to tell me How Awesome They Are, and How I Know Precisely Nothing. Gee whiz what a polite bunch of narcissistic tools we have here.

I brought up my APU because it is, on paper, better than those recomended specs. NO WHERE did I say that APUs were awesome or anything of the kind. So quit insulting me over something I NEVER SAID. Hell, stop insulting me PERIOD, because if you feel like you MUST bash on APUs you obviously have some inadequacy issues. Seriously.

As for the ON TOPIC part? (Yeah that part, called "the original post", that has nothing to with bashing on APUs.) I went and laughed my *** off at the CE3 specs because my APU was better than the recomended specs, which is NOT meant as a compliment to my APU - it was in fact yet another reason for me to consider CryEngine 3 to be an utter joke and pile of garbage. If an APU is able to handle the game, then how is it top of the line? It isn't, that's what it is - in short my comment about APUs above rec-specs was SARCASM, so stop ridin' my rear over failings which do not belong to ME.

Nechuchadnezar, on 10 December 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Do yourself a favor, you can pick up 7850's on Newegg for 160 shipped or thereabouts which rates a score of 3695. Then pick of a quad core black edition Phenom II x4 off Starmicro I think for 90 or so, get a standard heat sink and fan for the black off eBay for 15 bucks, then sell your APU and you probably would only spend about $150. Now you have a decent computer.

Maybe if you hadn't insulted me I'd give a f*** but since you decided to say I know squat about computers, despite having had my hands in them for over twenty years, I give precisely zero f***s about your "advice". If you think I'm wrong to refute you then you're as insane as your namesake was - I KNOW APUs aren't the greatest, I don't need to be told that and I certainly do not deserve to be insulted for it, either. I mean, really, it's like you own a two year old sports car and are telling a Corolla owner how awesome YOUR car is (which Phenoms haven't been top of the line since Vishera, by the way) and how crap THEIR car is. I mean, I basically wore Heath Ledgers NOT SURE IF SERIOUS look reading your puke.

As for my future upgrade path, I'm waiting to see what Richland, or Kaveri, can crossfire with before I buy a discrete GPU. Richland will probably be an 8000 series Radeon HD, if not Kaveri will be. And if neither one turns out that way I'll get the generation-after-Visheri because your beloved Phenoms are old and slow compared to Visheri, so whatever comes after those will be just that much better.

EDIT After a few minutes of research it turns out that, not only are Phenom II x4s not two years old, but in fact, THREE years old, they are also SLOWER in compute power than my APU, while using more power in the process. WOW! What a laugh! That chip is better than mine, eh? HA! What ignorance. Glad to get a laugh out of that, and not in a complimentary way, either. Ah, narcissism, I got 99 problems but that ain't one.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 11 December 2012 - 05:36 PM.

[Babaika]

Regarding to the A10 CPU.
Tryed to run on MSI GX60 laptop, with AMD A10-4600M cpu, 4 gb RAM, radeon HD 7970m GPU
MWO is very dissapointed me after running. In med setting with 1600*900 res, FPS average @ 25
with periodical drawdowns to 15-18.
OS - win7 64 ultimate.
May be additional RAM is the key?

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Babaika, on 10 December 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

Regarding to the A10 CPU.
Tryed to run on MSI GX60 laptop, with AMD A10-4600M cpu, 4 gb RAM, radeon HD 7970m GPU
MWO is very dissapointed me after running. In med setting with 1600*900 res, FPS average @ 25
with periodical drawdowns to 15-18.
OS - win7 64 ultimate.
May be additional RAM is the key?

To answer your question, since it's vaguely ontopic - IE CE3 performance - those framerates are similar to what I have on my computer, med settings, 1680x1050 with 8gb of DDR3 1866 RAM. Because the graphics unit uses the onboard RAM as it's VRAM, the faster you have the better. It's set in BIOS to use 512mb of the RAM solely for the GPU side, this can be set as high as 2gb depending on motherboard / BIOS. After doing a whole mess of benching this weekend, going from 512mb to 2gb dedicated GPU RAM yields around 2 fps increase, at least for me. So, not much.

As has (somewhat rudely) been pointed out in this thread APUs aren't intended for anything beyond casual gaming. To my eyes, 25-ish fps is fine, I don't need more than that although it would be nice to have that at high or max GFX settings. You won't get that with an APU though, at least not a Trinity, anyways. 2013 APUs could be significantly better, IE, Kaveri.

So, short version, answer to your question is more RAM can help but it won't produce miracles.

EDIT - One thing that is widely held true all over the various knowledge bases of the net as far as APUs go is, only get 1600 speed RAM if you can't afford 1866 - do NOT get slower than that because you really start to bottleneck your APU below 1600 on RAM. More RAM, eh ok. FASTER RAM on the other hand, is critical.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 11 December 2012 - 02:44 AM.

[fxrsniper]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 10 December 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

You completely misunderstand what I'm sayin there. What I meant was, that recomended specs given for CE3 in the OP are insanely affordable, given that an AMD A10 5800K Trinity APU is above recomended specs, and if one has a computer already, all they need is 300 USD for an APU, motherboard and RAM to exceed them.

They are Decent but by no means are they going to do what Phenoms ll can APU's are med range solutions if you want to stay with AMD I have 15 years with AMD. PyleDriver is another story it might run really well.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

fxrsniper, on 16 December 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

They are Decent but by no means are they going to do what Phenoms ll can APU's are med range solutions if you want to stay with AMD I have 15 years with AMD. PyleDriver is another story it might run really well.

Wow. Another one who thinks a three year old chip is hot stuff? Seriously! They're obsolete and nowhere NEAR top of the AMD CPU pile. The CPU half of my Trinity APU easily outclasses a Phenom II, and if I want a better CPU from AMD than what I have now, I would grab a Vishera - NOT a Phenom II, as that would be a DOWNgrade.

And Piledriver "might" run really well? Try DOES run really well. It powers both the Trinity APUs and the Vishera CPUs. It's superiority to the Phenom II is only natural considering it's three generations more advanced than they are. /offtopic

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 17 December 2012 - 11:17 AM.

[Youngblood]

fxrsniper, on 16 December 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

They are Decent but by no means are they going to do what Phenoms ll can APU's are med range solutions if you want to stay with AMD I have 15 years with AMD. PyleDriver is another story it might run really well.

I've had a Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition for almost two years now. On MWO, it bottlenecks my new 7970 all day and all night, even on excessive overclock.

Seriously, get a Vishera if you're aiming for that kind of performance these next few months. There's a reason Denebs and Thubans are lower-priced now--they're hardware that's on the way out.

[fxrsniper]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 17 December 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Wow. Another one who thinks a three year old chip is hot stuff? Seriously! They're obsolete and nowhere NEAR top of the AMD CPU pile. The CPU half of my Trinity APU easily outclasses a Phenom II, and if I want a better CPU from AMD than what I have now, I would grab a Vishera - NOT a Phenom II, as that would be a DOWNgrade.

And Piledriver "might" run really well? Try DOES run really well. It powers both the Trinity APUs and the Vishera CPUs. It's superiority to the Phenom II is only natural considering it's three generations more advanced than they are. /offtopic

To the obvious uneducated one here If you think trinity core outperforms Phenoms ll then you sir are truly uneducated Trinity core is a mid level CPU. Phenoms ll is not obsolete by any means AMD stopped shipment on them to try and sell more faildozers. I would gladly put a 980 black up against any APU and smoke it ,there are no benchmarks to back your statements but the proof is in the hardware believe me I no I have both I build with APU's because there cheap and decent performance. Also I was comparing APU's to Phenoms and yes it would be downgrading if you got a APU over an Phenom. 18 years in the Business tells me otherwise maybe you should stick to gaming and let the big boys work with the computers lol

Youngblood, on 17 December 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

I've had a Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition for almost two years now. On MWO, it bottlenecks my new 7970 all day and all night, even on excessive overclock.

Seriously, get a Vishera if you're aiming for that kind of performance these next few months. There's a reason Denebs and Thubans are lower-priced now--they're hardware that's on the way out.

Maybe you should learn how to use your computer then the 980 Black is by far from a bottle necking a 7970 or any other Video card It actually outperforms the bulldozer CPU's sounds like user error I do have 18 years in the business,we have people using 965 Blacks with 670/680's with no bottlenecking maybe try researching some things, you're giving advice on cores when you cant even operate your own lol

Edited by fxrsniper, 17 December 2012 - 09:26 PM.

[Youngblood]

fxrsniper, on 17 December 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Maybe you should learn how to use your computer then the 980 Black is by far from a bottle necking a 7970 or any other Video card It actually outperforms the bulldozer CPU's sounds like user error I do have 18 years in the business,we have people using 965 Blacks with 670/680's with no bottlenecking maybe try researching some things, you're giving advice on cores when you cant even operate your own lol

I know what parts of my hardware are limiting my system. I've tested for performance and made deductions based on the results. Maybe you should not assume what I have and haven't been doing with my computer before you put me down for "you cant even operate your own lol". Perhaps I can assume some things about you too! Hmmm...it looks like despite your 18 years in the business, you haven't really put 18 years into learning proper punctuation, or any sort of intelligent forum conduct LOOOOLLLLLL!!!!1111oneoneoneeleven

[Sp4wNers]

Actually I have a better system than GTX 680 above recommended so.... And I doubt requirements will be as high as they write. The same thing was with FarCry 3 and guess what? Most of my friends from OCN could run this game at 1080p full details (no AA) at 40-50fps so... And CryEngine 3 is better optimized than Dunia II.

[fxrsniper]

Youngblood, on 18 December 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

I know what parts of my hardware are limiting my system. I've tested for performance and made deductions based on the results. Maybe you should not assume what I have and haven't been doing with my computer before you put me down for "you cant even operate your own lol". Perhaps I can assume some things about you too! Hmmm...it looks like despite your 18 years in the business, you haven't really put 18 years into learning proper punctuation, or any sort of intelligent forum conduct LOOOOLLLLLL!!!!1111oneoneoneeleven

Sorry I apologize if it sounded like I was being rude. I just know for fact that a 7970 will not bottleneck a 980 black or 955 black and up, there is obviously something else wrong as I said before we have multiple people running the same and lower Phenoms ll with 670/680's and not having this issue. My other gaming machine as well not having that issue. I didn't realize we were in English class, I mean you understood it enough to comment back lol

Edited by fxrsniper, 18 December 2012 - 01:49 PM.

[Youngblood]

fxrsniper, on 18 December 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

Sorry I apologize if it sounded like I was being rude. I just know for fact that a 7970 will not bottleneck a 980 black or 955 black and up, there is obviously something else wrong as I said before we have multiple people running the same and lower Phenoms ll with 670/680's and not having this issue. My other gaming machine as well not having that issue. I didn't realize we were in English class, I mean you understood it enough to comment back lol

The GPU isn't bottlenecking the CPU, it's the other way around. I'm still running an Micro ATX AM2+ motherboard with DDR2 RAM, it doesn't have heat sinks on its VRMs. It's great that it could handle slight overclocking at least, but that's the long and short of it. Buying myself a 'good' motherboard would require getting new RAM and quite possibly a new case, and at that point I might as well be switching to Intel since third parties actually care about mATX Intel gaming (Maximus V Gene, G1.Sniper M3, ASRock Fatal1ty, etc.).

[fxrsniper]

Youngblood, on 18 December 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

The GPU isn't bottlenecking the CPU, it's the other way around. I'm still running an Micro ATX AM2+ motherboard with DDR2 RAM, it doesn't have heat sinks on its VRMs. It's great that it could handle slight overclocking at least, but that's the long and short of it. Buying myself a 'good' motherboard would require getting new RAM and quite possibly a new case, and at that point I might as well be switching to Intel since third parties actually care about mATX Intel gaming (Maximus V Gene, G1.Sniper M3, ASRock Fatal1ty, etc.).

Well that's good DDR2 could be bottle necking you as well due to the speed, max speed for DDR2 is 1066 which means max FSB will only be 2000Mhz vs DDR3 at 5400Mhz or higher. Everything plays a part the faster the Memory the faster the PCI Express Bus can communicate. Depending on how much money you can spend there some decently cheap AM3+ boards and of course Memory is really chaep

[Sir Roland MXIII]

fxrsniper, on 17 December 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

To the obvious uneducated one here If you think trinity core outperforms Phenoms ll then you sir are truly uneducated Trinity core is a mid level CPU. Phenoms ll is not obsolete by any means AMD stopped shipment on them to try and sell more faildozers. I would gladly put a 980 black up against any APU and smoke it ,there are no benchmarks to back your statements but the proof is in the hardware believe me I no I have both I build with APU's because there cheap and decent performance. Also I was comparing APU's to Phenoms and yes it would be downgrading if you got a APU over an Phenom. 18 years in the Business tells me otherwise maybe you should stick to gaming and let the big boys work with the computers lol

So a 3 year old 3.7 ghz CPU is better than a 3 month old 3.8 ghz CPU? A laughable claim, sir. And as far as AMD pulling Phenom IIs out of production... they regularly do that with obsolete tech that's more than two generations behind.

EDIT Granted, I should add that I would not find it impossible. The 980 was at the time what the Vishera is now, and the APUs are as I have said regularly not meant to be big performers - which amuses me to no end when people point that out to me, as if I was somehow unaware. Such actions indicates IQ of user to be enough to identify types, and be able to read and write: so, IQ<100, in fact. So maybe act like you have a pair of lobes and stop pointing out the amazingly obvious?

If you want people to take you seriously maybe ACT seriously. So far I just assume you to be someone typing posts from under a bridge. All talk, no substance: want to prove something, then PROVE it. I've always said the APU wasn't hot stuff, yet people feel the need to point that out - it's as if for them, breathing is an achievement. So burden of proof as to just how mediocre my APU does not fall on me, it falls on those who treat me like crap just because I have an APU. Which I bought just to test out for potential customers who don't want / need high end stuff to game with - next step is trying it with Lucid and a high end GPU. After that, who knows, maybe an AM3+ rig next.

Seriously, seems like there's a few people here that feel threatened by APUs... as if they have something they need to... compensate for.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 18 December 2012 - 02:44 PM.

[Youngblood]

fxrsniper, on 18 December 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

Well that's good DDR2 could be bottle necking you as well due to the speed, max speed for DDR2 is 1066 which means max FSB will only be 2000Mhz vs DDR3 at 5400Mhz or higher. Everything plays a part the faster the Memory the faster the PCI Express Bus can communicate. Depending on how much money you can spend there some decently cheap AM3+ boards and of course Memory is really chaep

True, but to get the most out of what I have, I'm looking at this board: http://www.amazon.co...X/dp/B004Z5BYLA Unfortunately, I don't live in the UK, and the price + international shipping back to the States isn't so easy to swallow for hardware architecture that's already last year's news.

EDIT: http://www.amazon.co...sus+M5A88-M+EVO There it is.

Edited by Youngblood, 18 December 2012 - 02:34 PM.

[fxrsniper]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 18 December 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

So a 3 year old 3.7 ghz CPU is better than a 3 month old 3.8 ghz CPU? A laughable claim, sir. And as far as AMD pulling Phenom IIs out of production... they regularly do that with obsolete tech that's more than two generations behind.

Its not just Frequency its the way its designed and what the benchmarks are proving. APU's are in fact a mid level CPU, Phenoms are not obsolete, where do you get your info, yeh there going to phase them out they want to sell these others as they announced months ago. But the higher end Phenom ll's are out performing the BullDozer. Maybe you dont realize are far you can push the 965 black and up all the way to the 1100t black.

Youngblood, on 18 December 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

True, but to get the most out of what I have, I'm looking at this board: http://www.amazon.co...X/dp/B004Z5BYLA Unfortunately, I don't live in the UK, and the price + international shipping back to the States isn't so easy to swallow for hardware architecture that's already last year's news.

EDIT: http://www.amazon.co...sus+M5A88-M+EVO There it is.

It depends on what you want to spend honestly, if you are on a tight budget you can get a AM3+ board and memory for about 150-180 and you can use the memory or you nest build later on. Also it depends on what other games you play as well. If this is your primary game no need to waste money on a Machine like I have, but I play a lot of other games.http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131754 board
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820104173 memory
$165 vs over intel $500 for board, CPU, Memory and then a new case either way