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[fxrsniper]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 18 December 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

So a 3 year old 3.7 ghz CPU is better than a 3 month old 3.8 ghz CPU? A laughable claim, sir. And as far as AMD pulling Phenom IIs out of production... they regularly do that with obsolete tech that's more than two generations behind.

EDIT Granted, I should add that I would not find it impossible. The 980 was at the time what the Vishera is now, and the APUs are as I have said regularly not meant to be big performers - which amuses me to no end when people point that out to me, as if I was somehow unaware. Such actions indicates IQ of user to be enough to identify types, and be able to read and write: so, IQ<100, in fact. So maybe act like you have a pair of lobes and stop pointing out the amazingly obvious?

If you want people to take you seriously maybe ACT seriously. So far I just assume you to be someone typing posts from under a bridge. All talk, no substance: want to prove something, then PROVE it. I've always said the APU wasn't hot stuff, yet people feel the need to point that out - it's as if for them, breathing is an achievement. So burden of proof as to just how mediocre my APU does not fall on me, it falls on those who treat me like crap just because I have an APU. Which I bought just to test out for potential customers who don't want / need high end stuff to game with - next step is trying it with Lucid and a high end GPU. After that, who knows, maybe an AM3+ rig next.

Seriously, seems like there's a few people here that feel threatened by APUs... as if they have something they need to... compensate for.

Dude I use them in builds for my business I'm not knocking them otherwise I wouldn't push them as well, but there not built for high end gaming Phenoms ll are. I dont care if you take me serious or not. I'm respected throughout our 300 member group and the 2000 member Gaming Community that I help run. The proof is all over the internet in benchmarks everywhere so again Im not knocking you or APU's I'm just stating the facts

[Egomane]

A Phenom II might be a bottleneck in some games when coupled with modern high performance GPUs. This depends on the game engine used, how the game is optimized and the resolution you want to play. The lower the resolution the sooner you might find the CPU being a roadblock. There are some games, that are heavy on the CPU side and will cause you to not be able to fully use your GPUs power. Currently, those games are very, very few.

I will try to find the benchmarks again, I just recently saw for this topic.
(they where german, but I will still look for them)
Edit: Here is one from the german PC Games magazine.


Oh and... Happy Birthday DX9. Released on December the 19th in 2002 (publicly available on 22nd january 2003), you are now 10 years old.

Edited by Egomane, 18 December 2012 - 03:53 PM.

[fxrsniper]

Egomane, on 18 December 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

A Phenom II might be a bottleneck in some games when coupled with modern high performance GPUs. This depends on the game engine used, how the game is optimized and the resolution you want to play. The lower the resolution the sooner you might find the CPU being a roadblock. There are some games, that are heavy on the CPU side and will cause you to not be able to fully use your GPUs power. Currently, those games are very, very few.

I will try to find the benchmarks again, I just recently saw for this topic.
(they where german, but I will still look for them)
Edit: Here is one from the german PC Games magazine.


Oh and... Happy Birthday DX9. Released on December the 19th in 2002 (publicly available on 22nd january 2003), you are now 10 years old.

lol on the last statement. It depends could be just ATI thing then I had a Phenom ll 945 non black with Dual GTX superclocked 560ti's on BF3 on ultra running it like a dream 120+ fps on that same note we have guys running 980's and 1100t's with 670/680's with no problems

[Sir Roland MXIII]

fxrsniper, on 18 December 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Its not just Frequency its the way its designed and what the benchmarks are proving. APU's are in fact a mid level CPU, Phenoms are not obsolete, where do you get your info, yeh there going to phase them out they want to sell these others as they announced months ago. But the higher end Phenom ll's are out performing the BullDozer. Maybe you dont realize are far you can push the 965 black and up all the way to the 1100t black.

Yes, I do know it's not just frequency. I said that myself. You're narcissism isn't letting you realize you're not the only one here who knows computers, which makes me feel somewhat sorry for you.

As to whether Phenom IIs outperform Bulldozer depends on who's reviews you read. It's gone both ways with only a seemingly mild win for the Phenom over Bulldozer. What you seem to also fail to grasp is that Visheras are NOT Bulldozer. They are Piledriver which is clearly better in performance than Bulldozer, and also better than Phenom II.

And why is it after all the times I have said myself that APUs are mediocre that people still act like I don't know that? What is it, mental inability to realize we agree on something? Is that so hard to grasp? Do you have to be so superior to others that you cannot be found to be in agreement? Wow, I'm glad I'm not you.

fxrsniper, on 18 December 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

Dude I use them in builds for my business I'm not knocking them otherwise I wouldn't push them as well, but there not built for high end gaming Phenoms ll are. I dont care if you take me serious or not. I'm respected throughout our 300 member group and the 2000 member Gaming Community that I help run. The proof is all over the internet in benchmarks everywhere so again Im not knocking you or APU's I'm just stating the facts

AGAIN, I flipping AGREE WITH YOU so stop being a moron who isn't capable of being agreed with. I said the SAME THING as you, on these same forums, many times, before you came along and pulled this idiotic Captain Obvious stunt.

I know the facts. I knew them before you stated them. I quoted those facts to others. Hell, I've even said the same things as you in this very thread prior to you're arrival. Worst of all I even told you I agreed, and STILL you belittle me. So WAKE THE EFF UP, you fool. You say you don't care if anyone takes you serious but obviously you do, or you wouldn't still be here.

And as for not trying to be disrespectful, that's utter bull***, if you weren't being disrespectful you would not have said this:

fxrsniper, on 17 December 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

To the obvious uneducated one here If you think trinity core outperforms Phenoms ll then you sir are truly uneducated Trinity core is a mid level CPU.

or this...

fxrsniper, on 17 December 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

18 years in the Business tells me otherwise maybe you should stick to gaming and let the big boys work with the computers lol

Read the second line in my signature, it's there because it's not some fancy thing, it's there because it's my motto, period. Had you not insulted me in your first sentence I might have been one of those who respected you.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 18 December 2012 - 06:32 PM.

[fxrsniper]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 18 December 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

Yes, I do know it's not just frequency. I said that myself. You're narcissism isn't letting you realize you're not the only one here who knows computers, which makes me feel somewhat sorry for you.

As to whether Phenom IIs outperform Bulldozer depends on who's reviews you read. It's gone both ways with only a seemingly mild win for the Phenom over Bulldozer. What you seem to also fail to grasp is that Visheras are NOT Bulldozer. They are Piledriver which is clearly better in performance than Bulldozer, and also better than Phenom II.

And why is it after all the times I have said myself that APUs are mediocre that people still act like I don't know that? What is it, mental inability to realize we agree on something? Is that so hard to grasp? Do you have to be so superior to others that you cannot be found to be in agreement? Wow, I'm glad I'm not you.



AGAIN, I flipping AGREE WITH YOU so stop being a moron who isn't capable of being agreed with. I said the SAME THING as you, on these same forums, many times, before you came along and pulled this idiotic Captain Obvious stunt.

I know the facts. I knew them before you stated them. I quoted those facts to others. Hell, I've even said the same things as you in this very thread prior to you're arrival. Worst of all I even told you I agreed, and STILL you belittle me. So WAKE THE EFF UP, you fool. You say you don't care if anyone takes you serious but obviously you do, or you wouldn't still be here.

And as for not trying to be disrespectful, that's utter bull***, if you weren't being disrespectful you would not have said this:



or this...



Read the second line in my signature, it's there because it's not some fancy thing, it's there because it's my motto, period. Had you not insulted me in your first sentence I might have been one of those who respected you.

All I can say is WOW you feel sorry for me LMAO I believe I'm done here now you are arguing with yourself and calling people names when no one has called you a name, just a simple debate. No one insulted you but then again I dont think you know what that means by looking at this post. Well what ever floats your boat, made my points my exp. is proof enough for me and my business enjoy.

Edited by fxrsniper, 18 December 2012 - 07:26 PM.

[Chavette]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 03 December 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Hi-frikkin-LARIOUS. My all-in-one A10 5800K Trinity APU is above the RECOMENDED specs.

Sir Roland MXIII, on 18 December 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

So a 3 year old 3.7 ghz CPU is better than a 3 month old 3.8 ghz CPU? A laughable claim, sir.

Sir Roland MXIII, on 11 December 2012 - 02:42 AM, said:

Because the graphics unit uses the onboard RAM as it's VRAM, the faster you have the better.

1, Try to stop acting like a child, even if you are one. Stop calling people names. This isn't runescape.
2, The 7660D is inferior to the HD5770 and is below the minimum specs. 1 vs 2, 3 vs 4
3, The Phenom II 980 is indeed a faster CPU than the 5800K.
4, The 7970m GPU doesn't share ram, it has its own, and most recent notebooks won't let you change system ram frequency.

I'm sorry I have to say this, but if you've really spent 20 years with computers, of what I've read in this thread means you wasted every minute of it.
Now if you want to talk to me like a grown up and give me numbers, I'd gladly look into where you disagree.

Sir Roland MXIII, on 18 December 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

If you want people to take you seriously maybe ACT seriously. So far I just assume you to be someone typing posts from under a bridge. All talk, no substance: want to prove something, then PROVE it.

I'll let this one talk for itself.

Edited by Chavette, 04 February 2013 - 06:41 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Chavette, on 04 February 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

3, The Phenom II 980 is indeed a faster CPU than the 5800K.

This is one part you are wrong about, Piledriver cores are able to compute more instructions per clock than Phenom II's, and as a result the 5800k is the faster CPU.

[Corvus Antaka]

ShadowDarter, on 09 December 2012 - 03:23 AM, said:

ok im running this

CPU: I7-3770 3.7Mz
Ram: 32gig Corsair
Gpu : GTX-680 2 gig Vid ram.

i should exceed even the high end specs, but im pulling in 30-45 FPS at Ultra high settings....

Overall for all settings and machines MWO needs work..

And MWO doesnt look as good as Crysis 2.

[Chavette]

Vulpesveritas, on 04 February 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

This is one part you are wrong about, Piledriver cores are able to compute more instructions per clock than Phenom II's, and as a result the 5800k is the faster CPU.

I guess I just keep making those numbers up, do I?

It would make alot of sense to be faster with an FPU shared across two cores, wouldn't it? Or did you mean single core performance? What has that have to do with CryEngine3 that loves quad cores?

Please don't live in your own little world, like the kid above.

Edited by Chavette, 05 February 2013 - 02:24 AM.

[Flapdrol]

5800K might have a more agressive turbo, giving it the edge in games where per-core performance is very important (like MWO in an 8v8 brawl).

[Vulpesveritas]

Chavette, on 05 February 2013 - 02:09 AM, said:

I guess I just keep making those numbers up, do I?

It would make alot of sense to be faster with an FPU shared across two cores, wouldn't it? Or did you mean single core performance? What has that have to do with CryEngine3 that loves quad cores?

Please don't live in your own little world, like the kid above.

Because obviously not every review site and benchmark agrees and I hadn't seen the ones you linked prior?...
Ahead of Phenom II X4 975 and X6 1035t http://www.cpubenchm...h_end_cpus.html
Ahead of Phenom II X4 980 in synthetic tests; http://www.techspot....800k/page4.html

As far as the FPU goes, the 980 is undoubtedly faster, but I also would say that the A10-5800k is undoubtedly faster in integer math. (which as we all know, is the strength of Piledriver) Furthermore the FPU isn't THAT bad, given that the FX-8350 is faster in floating point on four FPUs versus the Thubian 1100t's six.

Also, let's not forget the turbo on the A10, especially when a discrete card is in play and the extra voltage isn't being sent to the IGP.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 05 February 2013 - 12:09 PM.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Amusing to see a months old trolling of my APU get resurrected, AGAIN, so I could be told I was wrong, AGAIN, when in fact I've been more than agreeable where it was accurate. So I stayed out of this one, for the most part, since I'm not the kid you seem to think I am. Until now. I am at least happy that something came of it, in that others have reasoned with you relieving me of it for once. All the while while you've said such insightful things as:

Chavette, on 05 February 2013 - 02:09 AM, said:

Please don't live in your own little world, like the kid above.

My my. Careful, Chavette, you sir you are in danger of being far more guilty of your own accusations of me than I am.

As to my age. You say you've done your homework but had you checked my profile you'd see my birthday listed. Thats not something I would make up, you know. So you researched this? Bah. Had you read everything I said you'd see I agreed on some points and disputed others. Yet I am the one you mock for being uninformed? How quaint.

Now to the main point. The Trinity 5800k is something I bought as more of a research project than anything else. My research began long before I got it, and has been ongoing ever since. You, sir, cannot say the same - at least, not with personal experience. I, also, cannot speak from personal experience about the Phenom II. So we are at an impasse, in a way.

Except for a third party, of which there are a great, great many, some of whom you have leaned upon for your... analysis. The reason I use ellipses there is simple. Your analysis such as it is, is not objective. It is subjective. The numbers you quote are entirely accurate - for that test. Any numbers I quote from personal experience regarding the APU is in fact my own, nine times out of ten. However, my own data is no more, or less, perfect than your own.

And herein lies the problem - our data does not match. We are truly at such an impasse as I said, but not one of data or facts. No, we are at an impasse of experience and this is nearly impossible to resolve. Others have tried to reason with you and, so far, have found you unwilling to budge.

Therefore, I ask this of you: if you are truly so mature, as you must be for accusing me of childishness (when in fact I was less guilty of that than others and you obviously glossed over this) then you can do something to resolve all of.. .this. This - and I will be blunt - phallic comparison over a bloody wafer of silicon. This superiority contest that I thought over but apparently is not. And before you say anything no, I did not start this, or at least I did so unintentionally when I had the regretable notion to laugh at CryE3 for listing the specs of a Trinity 5800k as "recomended" when I knew this to be false. This is the reason I proclaim my innocence, really - this is all one big misunderstanding and you sir, not I, are the one perpetuating it. Me, I am as usual trying to END it. Not because I am right but because this is all based on the misunderstanding of others and therefore should never have happened at all, and most certainly should be stopped.

So, how can you do this? Agree to disagree. It's not that hard... I can, so surely, you can as well. So answer me this - can you?

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 05 February 2013 - 11:17 PM.

[Chavette]

Hahaha just what I was thinking, 6 paragraphs of shittalk, ad homium, and not one link or number... lmao sorry bro I can't take you serious and not gonna read it.


To the others I actually read: I know its about the same, but the phenom is better in the majority. Its indeed worse in winrar there, but its better in 7-zip... So what does that tell us? Passmark statistics aren't made in the same environment, each entry isn't a review passmark actually made like the other sites, but an average of the number that got sent in from PCs after running the test with the same cpu/gpu. If you take in to account the age of those CPUs, its easy to see the users who ran it back then probably didnt have windows 8, had older drivers, less and slower ram.

But the phenom is pretty much irrevelant nowadays, I was just proving a point to him that he is dead wrong, and should lose the "I know every thing better" pre-puberty attitdue... Which he didnt.

Why would anyone buy a trinity to run mwo? Your money on the IGP will be lost anyway. 20fps would sound nice if we didn't all know what happens when you get some close quater srm and ac smoke on you. You can get a 8core amd for a similar price, save up for a mid ranged GPU and you're set.

Edited by Chavette, 06 February 2013 - 02:01 AM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Chavette, on 06 February 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

Hahaha just what I was thinking, 6 paragraphs of shittalk, ad homium, and not one link or number... lmao sorry bro I can't take you serious and not gonna read it.


To the others I actually read: I know its about the same, but the phenom is better in the majority. Its indeed worse in winrar there, but its better in 7-zip... So what does that tell us? Passmark statistics aren't made in the same environment, each entry isn't a review passmark actually made like the other sites, but an average of the number that got sent in from PCs after running the test with the same cpu/gpu. If you take in to account the age of those CPUs, its easy to see the users who ran it back then probably didnt have windows 8, had older drivers, less and slower ram.

But the phenom is pretty much irrevelant nowadays, I was just proving a point to him that he is dead wrong, and should lose the "I know every thing better" pre-puberty attitdue... Which he didnt.

Why would anyone buy a trinity to run mwo? Your money on the IGP will be lost anyway. 20fps would sound nice if we didn't all know what happens when you get some close quater srm and ac smoke on you. You can get a 8core amd for a similar price, save up for a mid ranged GPU and you're set.

Because not everyone has the budget for it, and all they can afford would fall under a $600 or less cost segment. Bills can be hard, especially for those in the extremely low income segment of society. And then there are those who don't need the power, and are quite happy with minimum settings. (In which Trinity's IGP and CPU are more than capable of 30-40fps.)

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Chavette, had you read what I said you'd realize that I wasn't **** talking. Fact of the matter is this. All of this debate about APUs is 100% off topic. It does not belong here. I made one single comment about how CryE3 is wrong to list recomended specs that are roughly a 5800k because in my opinion those specs are too low. We're still here, talking about this low-end APu I'm testing, because unfortunately some people, like you, have taken that as an excuse to trash talk my chip. ALso unfortuantely you are completely immune to reason, as I have asked others to drop it and they, like you, did not have the maturity to do so.

FACT: This is all offtopic and either it needs to end, or it needs to go where it belongs. And frankly, you're response to me just proves that you are the one guilty of your own accusations of me, not I. So, grow up. Take the APU trashing to a thread where it belongs because this is a thread about CryE3, and your need to act out your inferiority complex does not fall into that heading.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 06 February 2013 - 09:25 AM.