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[DaZur]

Okay...

Not going to name names but I was party to some very poor form exhibited by a PM group last night. I was just going to let it go but after brooding on it I think it needs to be exposed before they do it again to some other un-suspecting souls...

It became clear via the chat window that a larger PM was separated and ended up opposing each other in a match. (By the banter exchanged)

Watched as I and the other PUGS engaged the best we could, however it soon became apparent the PMs were in cahoots as I watched the opposing team crest the ridge (Frozen City) walk right by the assumed PM portion of my team (neither side fired a shot at each other as they passed) and base rushed me and 3 other PUGs, killing us quickly and ending the match.

In my book that was just absolute poor form ... Theses yahoos essentially sacrificed us to their PM brethren. While I'm not blind to the fact that many PM groups see us PUGs as the great unwashed / ignorant / useless field fodder... This display of contempt was just despicable and did nothing to dispel the arrogant and self-serving stigma that many PUGs view many PMs with.

What really saddens me is the fact that I've PUG saddled with a number of solid PMs that try really really hard to make us PUGs feel part of the match and this was an insult to them more than to us PUGs...

So... you guys know who you are... Understand your dirty deeds were painfully obvious and I will expose you for the drek you are if I see this happen again. (I've got all your screen names via a screen grab)

Seriously disappointing

Edited by DaZur, 04 December 2012 - 06:57 AM.

[Sevaradan]

I use the pugs that I got stuck with in my 4 man drops as disposable cannon fodder all the time.

Also nothing wrong with them setting up the playing field for a good 4v4 match.

[DaZur]

Sevaradan, on 04 December 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

I use the pugs that I got stuck with in my 4 man drops as disposable cannon fodder all the time.

Also nothing wrong with them setting up the playing field for a good 4v4 match.

While I "think" you just rubbing my rhubarb so to speak... To humor your comment, there's a big difference in using them as sacrificial pawns and stepping aside and letting them get rolled.

[Sevaradan]

I haven't done that yet (unfortunately) ,but every time we end up against another premade from my unit I've thought about it, that way we could have a nice fun 4v4 match

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DaZur, on 04 December 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

rubbing my rhubarb

sounds kinky....

[AvatarofWhat]

That Premade was stupid. If me and my merc corps get dropped on opposite teams we are scrambling to be the ones to kill each other. We know we are the serious competition and can't wait to take each other out. I agree with OP, that was bad form. No worries though, I'm sure that premade will constantly get stomped once they reintroduce 8vs8. If they have no desire to test each other out and improve their skills...

Those guys are probably all about their precious K/D ratio. I see much QQing in the future once they start getting stomped in 8vs8's

[Dukov Nook]

DaZur, on 04 December 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

While I "think" you just rubbing my rhubarb so to speak... To humor your comment, there's a big difference in using them as sacrificial pawns and stepping aside and letting them get rolled.

Let's examine another scenario,

Drop occurs

PM leader to Teamchat: We're going to work defense. Meet in XX to form.

Pugs 2 & 3 wander off and do their own thing. Soon die because cresting into a nest of red targets is apparently just what you do.

Pug 4 goes off in chat about how he hates premades.

PM group proceeds to do what they can to clean up the mess and get victory and payouts.




This behavior your extoll probably wouldn't happen as much if PUGs listened a bit more often to team chat.

[StainlessSR]

Back to the point of the OP, when my group gets split when we try to get put on the same side we go at eachother harder than any of the pugs because it is harder for us (we know how we each play). When I lone wolf synch drop with a group of 4 if I get put on the opfor I am usually the first hit because they know I will work hard to take as many of them out as I can. What that group did (if it did in fact happen) is just show that they are weak.

[Mechteric]

Fret not, I'm sure that group will get what's coming to them when they face proper teams with the improved matchmaking coming (today hopefully!). We in the Blazing Aces will certainly abide their doom.

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 04 December 2012 - 07:03 AM.

[DaZur]

Sevaradan, on 04 December 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

sounds kinky....

Only if you see it that way... Let me introduce you to my friend Sigmund Freud. You two need to chat. LOL!

[Sevaradan]

AvatarofWhat, on 04 December 2012 - 07:00 AM, said:

That Premade was stupid. If me and my merc corps get dropped on opposite teams we are scrambling to be the ones to kill each other. We know we are the serious competition and can't wait to take each other out. I agree with OP, that was bad form. No worries though, I'm sure that premade will constantly get stomped once they reintroduce 8vs8. If they have no desire to test each other out and improve their skills...

Those guys are probably all about their precious K/D ratio. I see much QQing in the future once they start getting stomped in 8vs8's

actually, ensuring your pugs die off and then fighting the other premade is an excellent way to test your skill vs the other premade w/o having to worry about some puggling shooting you in the back . 4 skilled active players vs 4 skilled active players even, fun skillbased play.

[DaZur]

Dukov Nook, on 04 December 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:

This behavior your extoll probably wouldn't happen as much if PUGs listened a bit more often to team chat.

In fairness at mission start I attempted to invoke a plan of action (As I usually do if no one speaks up) and as far as i could tell only the PUGs responded. I told them to hang back because I recognized a number of the names on the opposing team from a previous match that base rushed and assumed (correctly) that they would do so again...

I will concur with your assessment that there are PUGs that don't play well with PMs... Then again, there are a lot more that do and it's kinda unfair to paint us all as fodder...

[AvatarofWhat]

Sevaradan, on 04 December 2012 - 07:04 AM, said:

actually, ensuring your pugs die off and then fighting the other premade is an excellent way to test your skill vs the other premade w/o having to worry about some puggling shooting you in the back . 4 skilled active players vs 4 skilled active players even, fun skillbased play.

I don't disagree, however if you just run past the other premade to cap like the OP said then its a different story. I also use pugs as cannon fodder a lot, i just try to kill the enemy team while im at it.

EDIT- They may be meatshields, but they at least deserve to have their deaths avenged

Edited by AvatarofWhat, 04 December 2012 - 07:10 AM.

[Bluescuba]

This is unacceptable behaviour, no one from the Shieldwall of Skjaldborg would consider this. Be glad that phase 2 is being implemented which should irradicate such abberrant behaviour.

[Scratx]

Tch... if you're doing synch-dropping (that's probably about to end now that 8-teams are coming back), at least have the decency of, you know, having fun shooting each other up when it backfires!

I know some synch-droppers do that and it's all good. Avoiding shooting each other, though... psh. Afraid of scratching your virtual mech paint or something?

[Dukov Nook]

Scratx, on 04 December 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

Tch... if you're doing synch-dropping (that's probably about to end now that 8-teams are coming back), at least have the decency of, you know, having fun shooting each other up when it backfires!

I know some synch-droppers do that and it's all good. Avoiding shooting each other, though... psh. Afraid of scratching your virtual mech paint or something?

Man law. Never scratch your bro's paint.

[Lord Ikka]

StainlessSR, on 04 December 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:

Back to the point of the OP, when my group gets split when we try to get put on the same side we go at eachother harder than any of the pugs because it is harder for us (we know how we each play). When I lone wolf synch drop with a group of 4 if I get put on the opfor I am usually the first hit because they know I will work hard to take as many of them out as I can. What that group did (if it did in fact happen) is just show that they are weak.

Exactly. I love dropping against other 9th, its bragging rights for whomever wins/kills the other side.

[Lanessar]

I'm fairly certain "cannon fodder" is a legitimate military tactic.Charge of the light brigade and Custer's last stand come to mind.

It's happened to me as a PUG several times, however, last night I actually got my first PM group invite when the tactic didn't work, Apparently the enemy just bulldozed back and took out the two "fast" mechs the PM sent to the base, rolled over the PUGs, and went straight for our base. I had been under heavy fire, so was heading for the enemy base, but I circled back and managed to kill the last two enemies (HBKs) capping the base just as they finished mopping up the last of the PM.

Don't discount that PUG in a trial Jenner. He might save your bacon.

[AlexEss]

Bluescuba, on 04 December 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

This is unacceptable behaviour, no one from the Shieldwall of Skjaldborg would consider this. Be glad that phase 2 is being implemented which should irradicate such abberrant behaviour.

Nope.. We usually put a bounty on any fellow SoR found on the other side.. And then the hunt begins.. =P

That being said it sounds like the OP ran in to a failed Synch-drop. Simply they tried to drop in to the same match on the same side but ended up at opposite sides and then decided to lark about... Not very good sport but once pahse three comes about i would believe we will see less of it. (phase two will not see much change due to the "everything goes" style of drops as the people who would do that will not like the other style either)

[DaZur]

On a lighter note...

I stumbled accross a PM last night (Sorry, didn't catch the group) who were all sporting the same paint job.

I know it's piddly but it was kind'a cool seeing then all done up in the same livery.

[Cole Allard]

uhhh they should know better.

Report them all right away, you got the full PGI support for that, as they stated until Matchmaker is brought back to 8vs8...doing 2 x4man groups drop (trying to get on same side) is using a known exploit.

You will have a lot of people telling you "blabla its PGI's fault, blabla if I cant play with friends, blabla". No...report them!