35 replies to this topic

[Thorqemada]

I feel the Trailer is nice made and part of the history that made MWO happen.
So its there for educational purpose and pride of craftsmanship.

Edited by Thorqemada, 13 May 2012 - 12:25 AM.

[Striker1980]

OhGilPin, on 13 May 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

I always loved that introduction into the game, think I watched it almost every time I powered up the game.

That game did have an awesome intro, so did MW3 which I think had an atlas called 'Big Al' in the intro, but I remember one of the big talking points my buddies had about the game was the lack of an Atlas in the campaign, only an Annihallator, (TBH I loved that Anni, it was terrifying and useless in equal measures, standing on a dirty great pyramid slinging AC10 after AC10 round at me! though a few large laser hits would do for him).

[StandingCow]

All that trailer was, was something to get us mechwarrior fans excited and ready for something new in the MW universe coming out. There would be nothing false about it... it was a hype video and it got us ready for this game.

[Victor Morson]

Striker1980, on 12 May 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

I know it's a little pedantic, but this video was never intended to be a trailer for Mechwarrior 5, since the trailer is set almost 45 years before any other MW Game (including mech assault) This was intended to be a full on series wide re-boot, which evolved into Mechwarrior online (mostly due to funding issues).

Only 8 years before MechWarrior 1 actually.

OhGilPin, on 13 May 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

I always loved that introduction into the game, think I watched it almost every time I powered up the game.

To this day we make jokes about "INCOMING LRMs, EJECT!" when our pristine 'mechs have a couple of LRM 10s fired at them.

Edited by Victor Morson, 13 May 2012 - 02:39 AM.

[Lasgo Treem]

I think it's very important to connect MWO today with original project announced in 2009. This way people are clear on what became of that project after it went dark via legal issues. The "Deshler" video serves that purpose.

After a few years passed with no news about a new Mechwarrior game, I thought it simply was not going to happen. I just registered here yesterday after Gamebreaker.tv covered the six recently released in-game videos. I didn't even know MWO existed. But it is important to me to know that MWO is the result of the original project.

Furthermore, it is certainly not false advertising. Dev Blog 0 clearly uses the old video for historical purposes.

Edited by Lasgo Treem, 13 May 2012 - 05:49 AM.

[metro]

OK......

Even though this subject matter has been kicked like an aluminum can in a tornado, I will not close it.

STIPULATIONS:

1. Do not harrass the Original poster.
2. Do not flame bait.
3. Talk about the old and new trailers or do not say anything at all in this thread. If you have already posted, and your post doesnt not follow these guidlines? I suggest you edit your post, AND QUICK !

Break one of these stipulations. WHACK you get the ban hammer.

To OP though we value your patronage here at MW:O, a little more research on your part through the hundreds of threads we have, you would have seen this topic discussed to extent.

Take Ghosts advice and Check out the Dev Blog =)

Everyone Be good boys and girls...

Thank you.

[Felicitatem Parco]

I still prefer the rapid-fire autocanon/20 from the Reboot Trailer over the current slow-fire one... The current gun fires one frightening shot, and then a long reloading period where your opponent pummels you. The old AC/20 from Reboot was like a continuous-firing chaingun that dealt less dagame per shot but still dealt 20 damage per unit time because of the constant barrage. I think It would be more intimidating to be repeatedly rocked by constant fire than to be periodically slammed by individual shots because you'd feel more time-pressed to escape their line of sight if they're constantly shooting you, but that's a trailer of a different color... hue.

Anyways, I still stand by my original statements that the old trailers should be cordoned off from the other MW:O trailers simply in order to make things obvious to someone who's browsing the Media section of the MW:Omercs website.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 13 May 2012 - 07:54 AM.

[AllSeeingEye]

just for the record. I am a new forum member, saw this trailer in 2009 got pumped up then forgot about it entirely by 2011. then found this game saw that trailer on it, then read Dev Blog 1 and was completely aware of the situation. I had ZERO problem getting caught up and understanding that the game was changed entirely...

Just saying this whole thread seems like a waste of time. I mean who really cares enough? The trailer does depict some things that will not be in game, however it depicts alot more of what WILL be in game. I just dont think this is abig enough deal to make a front page forum topic about =P

[tynaiden]

Prosperity Park, on 12 May 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

From what I've read, the OP is understandably concerned for those who will come across the MW:O forums and see those videos without fully understanding the context.

Metro, on 13 May 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

...
To OP though we value your patronage here at MW:O, a little more research on your part through the hundreds of threads we have, you would have seen this topic discussed to extent.

Take Ghosts advice and Check out the Dev Blog =)
...

To go with Prosperity Park and the topic in general:
Context is a very important aspect of near anything in the world. A case of context causing issues that is still at least luke-warm is the "Derpy Hooves" Vs. "Ditzy Doo" surround My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic show.
[before you 'zomg ponies', actually look at the events that unfolded around the example I have provided -as an example-]

Especially in these times of instant gratification, if you do not provide context at the point of interest, do not assume the consumer will take the initiative to find the context you are referring to/from. As a web designer and host, I myself have learned that the hard way.

Metro:
You proved the point in your own words, "hundreds of threads". Even I who have been anticipating this game since the video in question was released and lurking these forums within days of their opening have not seen or read the majority of threads in the quickly growing forums here. It is not a fair thing to assume every person coming here could or should be able to.

In closing:
It could go a long way to reduce these types of threads and give new comers a more helpful way to get to the true meat of the matter by posting some information along with the videos featured on the Media -> Videos pages. Plus if you are the one providing the context there is less chance of one forming that is not in line with what you would prefer ;]

[Helmer]

Iron Harlequin,

I'll try and bump this up the chain and see what can be done. Although we all seem to be aware of what the video is , your point is valid, it could possibly cause confusion with newer forum users.

As this topic has been discussed ad infinitum , it's probably best to try and do something about it. No promises.

Thank you.



Cheers.

[Arbalister]

Just a couple points, because from your OP it sounds like you assume that video was made by Smith & Tinker, and not Piranha. Watch the credits at the end. :-)

That trailer has merit, here. The MW reboot that it was a promo for was a joint venture between S&T and Piranha Games. MW:O is licensed from Smith & Tinker. It's the same people.

The MW reboot didn't find a publisher, MW:O is going to go the F2P route. Neither of these facts rule out a future MW reboot - in fact, if MW:O flies, it makes it that much more likely.

The video is there because it's part of the history of *this* game, developed by *these* two companies. And, as stated in Blog 0, Harmony Gold wasn't an issue about the status of the Unseen... so there's still a chance. Actually, as it turns out, Harmony Gold USA never actually had any legal right to stop FASA from using the Unseen - those designs infringed Macross/Robotech IPs. The problem is that Harmony Gold got their license from Tatsunoko Production, and sued on their behalf... but Tatsunoko doesn't control the IP - Studio Nue does. And it's well within Studio Nue's rights to license the images to whoever they choose.

In other words - if a deal can be made with the owners of the IP - Studio Nue - it really doesn't matter what Harmony Gold USA thinks.

Of course, that's all based on my understanding of things, the legal backflips are probably considerably more daunting.

[Striker1980]

Victor Morson, on 13 May 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

Only 8 years before MechWarrior 1 actually.



To this day we make jokes about "INCOMING LRMs, EJECT!" when our pristine 'mechs have a couple of LRM 10s fired at them.

Darn, I forgot that one!

In my defence I was only 8 myself when it came out<- not much of an excuse though I only tried it on DOSBOX last month *Doh!!* LOL.

Well spotted ;-)

[PANZERBUNNY]

Bandwidth I will never have returned.

GAME IS FREE!

What have you exactly been led to believe? I'm sure if someone watches that SINGLE video, expects certain things in the game but neglects looking at any of the CURRENT information.....they are truly a lost cause and not to be worried about anyways.
Who the hell complains about false advertising regarding a game that isn't even in beta let alone a video from a few years ago.

Get a grip pelase.

Edited by PANZERBUNNY, 13 May 2012 - 12:37 PM.

[carl kerensky]

Ok...well I believe that these trailers should stay as is. I think new forum users will not only A. Get fired up about MWO B. Enjoy a great piece of MWO history C. and just enjoy an awesome trailer. I think we are all smart enough to understand it for what it is...........
CK

Edited by carl kerensky, 13 May 2012 - 12:34 PM.

[Aegis Kleais]

Iron Harlequin, on 12 May 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

No offense is meant by this to the devs, moderators, admins, etc. But I've been noticing quite a bit of arguing over this video here on the site in the media section

http://mwomercs.com/...deo/3CWr3ZUQJeo



To my knowledge wasn't this the trailer for Mechwarrior 5? Back when it was being developed by Smith & Tinker?

I've seen many people including myself get into arguments over the video saying either " Well if its on here then it must be part of the game" Or " Thats not even the same game, that game isn't being made anymore".


if thats so, then why is that video part of your media? I would respectfully request that it be removed, or somehow given a proper name.


It depicts a mech that has not been announced for MW:O (The Warhammer) , leading people to believe it will be in the game. Others believe that since its "part of a game no longer in production" that it its advertising a mech that probably wont be seen (I'm sure you're aware of the Harmony Gold arguments that arise, but that's besides the point)


What I'm getting at is; Yes I realize that its Battetech related, and is related to MW:O, but it kind of seems like false advertisement, and causes arguments so I ask that someone clear it up with us devoted fans.

A poorly titled thread, but with a very valid point. It's sad that such a beautiful trailer would get removed; I would personally prefer that a notice just inform the viewer that the footage was from an earlier build and game model (just like the concept art animation).

[Kaemon]

I agree with Aegis, some clarification (I believe it mentions it in the comments on the youtube vid) would be good, if nothing else to make sure people understand the differences (story, game engine, gfx, basically everything) that is MW 5 and MW:O.

That being said, I do like the grainy/darker MW5 vid, so it would be a shame to put it in the recycle bin.