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[King Arthur IV]

cry engine has taken a beating to my cpu. i idle at 39-45c in menu and crash due to over heating in game. i have a feeling the air inflow is insufficient and i might buy a new case or just play hawken cuz thats using unreal engine and its coming to open beta in a few days.

does anyone think a new case might do the trick if i idle at 43c~ or i need bigger cpu heat sink with fans that run 2000rpm? or entire new set up, which in that case i would defer to another game instead.


my specs:
AMD phenom™ II X61055T processor 2.8ghz
64bit os
8gb ram

AMD Radeon HD 6800:
1024 mb

case and fan set up: 8 fans flowing pretty much same direction. there are big vents for heat to go out but very small vents for air to go in from the front. six 120mm fans and two fans on biggest heat sink that can fit in case, all fans only run at 1200rpm.

power supply only 600w

my case: http://www.bitfenix....hassis/shinobi/

my cpu heat sink: http://www.noctua.at...ts_id=39&lng=en


recently gave it a clean up inside and re-positioned intake vent towards the window. seems to run alil less hot but computer still crashes during game. (found the work around in mwo forums)



thought i might add this so anyone that comes across my thread. apparently there is something called memory leak, after 5-10 games there will be some build up that causes an excessive amount of cpu usage. this issue does not seem to be resolved yet but the devs have suggested to restart the whole game client after 4+ games to try and prevent lag or crashes.

25/1/13
amd users if your stil crashing try turning "off" over drive. off, disable,etc, its under performance in amd menu. this seems to help abit. (found the work around in mwo forums)

link below also helps lower heat. suggested by carlcabot.
http://tautvidas.com...el-turbo-boost/

Edited by King Arthur IV, 25 January 2013 - 05:59 AM.

[Apoc1138]

what heatsink and case do you have on there now?

Edited by Apoc1138, 05 December 2012 - 04:29 AM.

[Taizan]

Idle temperaturs of around 35-40c is pretty decent imo.

What are your CPU / GPU temps when playing? Do your fan RPMs also adapt to rising temperatures or does the RPM remain the same?

[Grimnir79]

It sounds like you have plenty of fans in your case so don't know if it would be any point to buy a new one. Just out of curiosity, what case do you have?

Question: do you use the stock CPU-fan? Did you apply thermal paste? How long since you applied the paste? Did you checked that the fans are not clogged by dust? What is the ambient temperature (do you have your computer in a very hot room?), did you overclock your CPU?

As for a 600W PSU I have found it to weak for a high end gaming rig. But my specs are a bit higher than yours so you should be ok. Your idle temperatures are a bit in the high-end, but nothing dramatic.
What brand is the PSU? Poorer quality PSU's often gets very hot, heating up your PC.

Anyways, there could be so many things causing the high temperature; but start by looking at what I said. Good luck!

Edited by Grimnir79, 05 December 2012 - 06:09 AM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

I'm moving this thread over to the HardWare discussion forums with all the other computer-building and accessories threads. Good luck with the heat... I just ripped the side of my tower case and pointed a big deskfan inside it until I upgrade to a better system

[Oderint dum Metuant]

3 Steps to perform.

Clean out case, get some compressed air - ensure you do the fans.
Take the CPU fan off, clean the CPU and Fan heatsink, reapply new thermal paste and res eat the fan
Take a closer look at your fan arrangement- you want fans pushing cool air in, and some to pull out warm air in a different direction also is teh cabling neat and tidy and not obstructing air flow.

[Complex Lain]

This seems familiar - Its a weird answer but try a new and if possible larger power supply.

I had an issue playing another online game where every time I played after about 6 minutes the machine crashed. This also started happening on Bejeweled a flash game. Also 2 SATA caddy Drives stopped working and were giving errrors, yet a third drive was fine Standard PC games seemed to run ok so I was curious.

i had needed new processor, motherboard and memory fitted (the other one got spiked) and the computer shop advised that the machine was running within specs.
Nvidia and ASUS told me (after testing) that their components were ok
Temp was ok 40'C raised to 60'C when under total stress.

On impulse the the last thing that was changed was my 750W power supply, This was the original with the machine build and did not seem to be gibing issues but I changed it and upped it slightly to 800W.

The result was astounding, I can only surmise the power supply was glitching and was not detectable. Everything, both SATA drives and all programs started working properly and fingers crossed have stayed that way for nearly 6 months.

By the way my setup -


Operating System - 32 bit
Processor - Intel® Core™2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.3GHz
Memory - 4G
SATA Drives - 2 x 1G
1 DVD Ram
1 DVD Rom
1 Cooling fan
Bog standard case - no large vents

Edited by Complex Lain, 06 December 2012 - 01:16 AM.

[Sen]

It would REALLY help to have a link to your case so we can look at how it's setup! Can't recommend improvements without seeing how it is now. . and just because you have all those fans does not mean they are efficient or delivering air effectively. I've actually seen improperly oriented fans play mass insanity with temps in the past.

Compressed air is king! [already suggested]

and what is overheating. . . the CPU or the GPU???

[King Arthur IV]

Taizan, on 05 December 2012 - 04:46 AM, said:

Idle temperaturs of around 35-40c is pretty decent imo.

What are your CPU / GPU temps when playing? Do your fan RPMs also adapt to rising temperatures or does the RPM remain the same?

i believe cpu fan only increase by 200rpm max

Grimnir79, on 05 December 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

It sounds like you have plenty of fans in your case so don't know if it would be any point to buy a new one. Just out of curiosity, what case do you have?

Question: do you use the stock CPU-fan? Did you apply thermal paste? How long since you applied the paste? Did you checked that the fans are not clogged by dust? What is the ambient temperature (do you have your computer in a very hot room?), did you overclock your CPU?

As for a 600W PSU I have found it to weak for a high end gaming rig. But my specs are a bit higher than yours so you should be ok. Your idle temperatures are a bit in the high-end, but nothing dramatic.
What brand is the PSU? Poorer quality PSU's often gets very hot, heating up your PC.

Anyways, there could be so many things causing the high temperature; but start by looking at what I said. Good luck!

most of my products are corsair except motherboard. with addition to my set up i have 2 screen, external audio via usb, mouse, keyboard, webcam. i would of been happier to go with 650w psu but at the time my sale person said 600 was fine.

Prosperity Park, on 05 December 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

I'm moving this thread over to the HardWare discussion forums with all the other computer-building and accessories threads. Good luck with the heat... I just ripped the side of my tower case and pointed a big deskfan inside it until I upgrade to a better system

i might move my system inside my car with the ac on to play muhahahaha, jk

DV McKenna, on 05 December 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

3 Steps to perform.

Clean out case, get some compressed air - ensure you do the fans.
Take the CPU fan off, clean the CPU and Fan heatsink, reapply new thermal paste and res eat the fan
Take a closer look at your fan arrangement- you want fans pushing cool air in, and some to pull out warm air in a different direction also is teh cabling neat and tidy and not obstructing air flow.

i cleaned it out best i can 2 days ago with my vacum and brush i would like to get my hands on some spray since it would clean the heat sinks better. air flow is as best i can direct with the case and heat sink i have but it is fairly cluttered inside since the case is not huge and the psu cables are huge(yes tidy).

Complex Lain, on 06 December 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

This seems familiar - Its a weird answer but try a new and if possible larger power supply.

I had an issue playing another online game where every time I played after about 6 minutes the machine crashed. This also started happening on Bejeweled a flash game. Also 2 SATA caddy Drives stopped working and were giving errrors, yet a third drive was fine Standard PC games seemed to run ok so I was curious.

i had needed new processor, motherboard and memory fitted (the other one got spiked) and the computer shop advised that the machine was running within specs.
Nvidia and ASUS told me (after testing) that their components were ok
Temp was ok 40'C raised to 60'C when under total stress.

On impulse the the last thing that was changed was my 750W power supply, This was the original with the machine build and did not seem to be gibing issues but I changed it and upped it slightly to 800W.

The result was astounding, I can only surmise the power supply was glitching and was not detectable. Everything, both SATA drives and all programs started working properly and fingers crossed have stayed that way for nearly 6 months.

By the way my setup -


Operating System - 32 bit
Processor - Intel® Core™2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.3GHz
Memory - 4G
SATA Drives - 2 x 1G
1 DVD Ram
1 DVD Rom
1 Cooling fan
Bog standard case - no large vents

sometimes fans are not running at optimal level because shortage of power. i will try to borrow a more powerful unit to test this theory, weather my computer is under power or not.

Sen, on 06 December 2012 - 05:36 AM, said:

It would REALLY help to have a link to your case so we can look at how it's setup! Can't recommend improvements without seeing how it is now. . and just because you have all those fans does not mean they are efficient or delivering air effectively. I've actually seen improperly oriented fans play mass insanity with temps in the past.

Compressed air is king! [already suggested]

and what is overheating. . . the CPU or the GPU???

specs up on first post. cpu over heating.

Edited by King Arthur IV, 06 December 2012 - 09:19 PM.

[Complex Lain]

King Arthur you may have done this so apologies if you have as you have temps - before ripping out your PSU, download Real Temp and see what your temps are (As some suggested it could just be a simple case of the heat sink not seated correctly). The prog gives only approximates but will give you a ball park idea of what is going on and IF you have a real heat issue. You should check temps against the specs for your CPU (or ask your dealer if it is within spec).

http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/

Also check if MWO is the only game that is causing this issue. Is there another game similar online that you could try. Give Bejewelled (my nightmare) a run or another flash or power hungry game and see if that does anything similar. As I previously stated I found that with stand alone computer games the PC held up ok. (FYI - I just ripped the side off my case as I couldn't remember, I have no internal fans apart from those of the CPU and PSU.)

Hope this helps some. CL

Edited by Complex Lain, 07 December 2012 - 01:30 AM.

[DegeneratePervert]

My vote is also on the PSU. What's the brand of your new PSU? If it's not a quality one, I wouldn't trust it. Other than that, I'd say maybe run a benchmark or something and stress your system to the max, while watching the temps. See what gets hot, and what doesn't.

[King Arthur IV]

Complex Lain, on 07 December 2012 - 01:26 AM, said:

King Arthur you may have done this so apologies if you have as you have temps - before ripping out your PSU, download Real Temp and see what your temps are (As some suggested it could just be a simple case of the heat sink not seated correctly). The prog gives only approximates but will give you a ball park idea of what is going on and IF you have a real heat issue. You should check temps against the specs for your CPU (or ask your dealer if it is within spec).

http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/

Also check if MWO is the only game that is causing this issue. Is there another game similar online that you could try. Give Bejewelled (my nightmare) a run or another flash or power hungry game and see if that does anything similar. As I previously stated I found that with stand alone computer games the PC held up ok. (FYI - I just ripped the side off my case as I couldn't remember, I have no internal fans apart from those of the CPU and PSU.)

Hope this helps some. CL

no apologies needed. iv run a stress test and temp check. everything seems to be fine and i dont seem to crash with other games. (tf2, lol, cs2) but then the other games i play are not very demanding. im starting to think its just the game itself.
just to be clear, iv cleaned out any dust and re-positioned the computer in a better place in my room. since then the temps are all fine but still crashing. i think i can narrow it down to psu and the game itself.

[Sen]

Game causes MY computer to crash, as well as at least 2 other people I play with.
Find it hard to believe that MwO would overstress your system if a proper [several hour long] stress test does not.

[Sp4wNers]

It's the game, not Your CPU. My game crashes sometimes too and it's not caused by CPu temperature. Also your CPU cooler is one of the best it could even handle my i7 920 at 4GHz with no problems. I'm using Zalman CNPS 10X with push/pull and my load temperatures are abut 73-76 so i don't think your CPu cooler will do worse. What are your load temperatures? I'm sorry if i didn't noticed that.

Edited by Sp4wNers, 07 December 2012 - 06:25 AM.

[Eakmo]

Sen, on 07 December 2012 - 06:08 AM, said:

Game causes MY computer to crash, as well as at least 2 other people I play with.
Find it hard to believe that MwO would overstress your system if a proper [several hour long] stress test does not.

Me too lol.
To remind you this is a beta and it will be most glitchy before final release, as are all betas.

An option I did when SC2 was crashing... Googled and Edited one of the .txt files that had options and configurations such as:
Max Frame Rate setting
Water or lava effects on/off
Particle or clutter reduction

I did a quick search and couldn't find what the file was, but I'm sure there is a file somewhere or settings you can edit.

Edited by Eakmo, 07 December 2012 - 06:30 AM.

[King Arthur IV]

its summer time here and all this crashing is going through the roof!! i might have to buy a new case. money that i could of spent on igp is going into a case instead. so sad.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Sp4wNers, on 07 December 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

It's the game, not Your CPU. My game crashes sometimes too and it's not caused by CPu temperature. Also your CPU cooler is one of the best it could even handle my i7 920 at 4GHz with no problems. I'm using Zalman CNPS 10X with push/pull and my load temperatures are abut 73-76 so i don't think your CPu cooler will do worse. What are your load temperatures? I'm sorry if i didn't noticed that.

Your discounting things like too much or too little thermal paste, the cooler not being seated correctly.

73-76 C on an i7 920...that sounds way too warm for my liking

[Tarl Cabot]

Even though a PSU may be in order (I have seen the effect of upgrading a PSU on a problematic system) please confirm the following:

AMD phenom™ II X61055T ? is what you are running? Does the CPU software you are running record temps/utilization for EACH core like Core Temp does? Your CPU maybe ramping up with Turbo Boost, providing more power/CPU speed on a couple of cores, pegging it out and that may be where your CPU is overheating.

Disable Turbo Boost by following the instructions listed below but use 98% or 97% instead of the 99%. So far those who have had issues related with CPU heat/extreme FPS drops while running with Turbo Boost enabled systems resolved them by disabling Turbo Boost. As of yesterday confirmed 24 laptop users and 1 desktop user

In desktop systems it should be possible to disable Turbo Boost in bios.

Disabling Intel Turbo Boost - Tautvidas Sipavičius

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 07 January 2013 - 01:45 PM.

[King Arthur IV]

Tarl Cabot, on 07 January 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

Even though a PSU may be in order (I have seen the effect of upgrading a PSU on a problematic system) please confirm the following:

AMD phenom™ II X61055T ? is what you are running? Does the CPU software you are running record temps/utilization for EACH core like Core Temp does? Your CPU maybe ramping up with Turbo Boost, providing more power/CPU speed on a couple of cores, pegging it out and that may be where your CPU is overheating.

Disable Turbo Boost by following the instructions listed below but use 98% or 97% instead of the 99%. So far those who have had issues related with CPU heat/extreme FPS drops while running with Turbo Boost enabled systems resolved them by disabling Turbo Boost. As of yesterday confirmed 24 laptop users and 1 desktop user

In desktop systems it should be possible to disable Turbo Boost in bios.

Disabling Intel Turbo Boost - Tautvidas Sipavičius

i know this is late 4ss reply but yeh im running hot. and yes thats my amd . im testing it now ty

Edited by King Arthur IV, 25 January 2013 - 05:59 AM.