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[Thorn Blackwell]

The BAP was the original counter for this. If they aren't balanced against each other they should be.

[Rhent]

As someone who runs light mechs, I love ECM. At 35 tons, I have effectively become better than most mechs in the game. I can run circle strafe, I don't have to worry about falling, do hit and runs, I can't be called out now for targets, I can sneak up to point blank range from behind and do strikes, when I do take damage its all but impossible to see where to target me now to finish me and I can instantly remove LRM/SSRM boats by getting within 100M.

I love the flavor of the month mentality that Pirahna has with patches, especially when it removes LRM's and SSRM's from the game effectively. I think its great that people playing Meds, Heavies and Assaults are getting routinely killed by a mech that is 40 tons lighter than them. Its not piloting skills that I use, but the rules set up by Pirahna.

[Buckminster]

I'm not sure if you are trolling or not. My gut says yes.

[DegeneratePervert]

I've noticed that a lot of ECM running light mechs like to stand still and line up their shots. This is where I gauss them to death. I've also noticed that if the ECM mech has any interest in team play, it moves slower than the rest, and so do his allies. This is where I gauss them to death.

[Kargarok]

DegeneratePervert, on 06 December 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

I've noticed that a lot of ECM running light mechs like to stand still and line up their shots. This is where I gauss them to death. I've also noticed that if the ECM mech has any interest in team play, it moves slower than the rest, and so do his allies. This is where I gauss them to death.

Wait someone is using tactics to counter tactics? UNHEARD OF! This cannot be allowed to continue this game needs more IWIN buttons dammit!

No wait, carry on. Well done mate!

[Col Forbin]

DegeneratePervert, on 06 December 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

I've noticed that a lot of ECM running light mechs like to stand still and line up their shots. This is where I gauss them to death. I've also noticed that if the ECM mech has any interest in team play, it moves slower than the rest, and so do his allies. This is where I gauss them to death.

Not really sure what this has to do with my OP.

[Buckminster]

I think his point is that ECM mechs are fairly easy to take out, so they aren't really overpowered at all. (except on an Atlas, it's just stupid that it has an ECM)

[Col Forbin]

Well, I guess my point is... IF LRMs were balanced pre-ECM, they are no longer balanced, as ECM puts many restrictions on their use. I would call that indisputable. If you feel that LRMs were OP before ECM, then you can be justified in saying that they are balanced right now.

You know, this has been said before, but maybe this comes down to the fact that "boating" is the real issue here. I'm just a guy who wants a viable LRM 30 as a secondary weapon system.

[Pilotasso]

I still use dual LRM20's on my AS7-D-DC regardless of ECM or not. There will be always some stray sheep outside the umbrellas to shoot at and it tears down armor pretty quick. Even without Artemis.

[Kargarok]

I run both an LRM 10 and a Tag on my Raven, and I always have plenty to shoot at. Get a Tag or a Tagger friend and you'll be doing fine again with your missiles. A little tactics and coordination will go a long way. Of course you'll still get rolled by a team that has better tactics, but that's what makes this game fun.

[Marcus Tanner]

Pilotasso, on 06 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

I still use dual LRM20's on my AS7-D-DC regardless of ECM or not. There will be always some stray sheep outside the umbrellas to shoot at and it tears down armor pretty quick. Even without Artemis.

I suppose there will always be a few new players who can't afford a D-DC just yet...

[Mongoose Trueborn]

Oh noes! Is your iWin button not working? Try tag.

[Col Forbin]

Mongoose Trueborn, on 06 December 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Oh noes! Is your iWin button not working? Try tag.

Why don't you read the entire thread, douche nozzle? I run a tag on my own mech and my teammates have tag too.

Here's what you missed:

"Well, I guess my point is... IF LRMs were balanced pre-ECM, they are no longer balanced, as ECM puts many restrictions on their use. I would call that indisputable. If you feel that LRMs were OP before ECM, then you can be justified in saying that they are balanced right now."


"I don't mind the teamwork required... I enjoy it. My point is that LRMs were nerfed to account for massive LRM spam occurring pre-ECM. The LRM spam is not happening anymore. I think we can all agree that that ECM provides another large nerf to their usefullness...

I do have an Awesome with LRM 30 (w/ Tag)... so I wouldn't call myself a "boater." I'm primarily a Jenner pilot anyways...."

[Buckminster]

Rather than un-nerf the LRM, I'd rather see them tweak the ECM. Prior to the ECM addition, LRMs were in a good spot - feared but not overpowered. They were deadly to people that were careless, but could be countered with some equipment and skill. But now that every team is running ECM, they've practically gone away.

But again, I think the issue is in ECM. From what I remember, only the Raven had ECM, so why we now have Atlases running around with it is beyond me.

[Col Forbin]

See, I can get into the ECM game... I'd rather leave ECM and tweak LRMs. So when all that teamwork pays off and the LRMs rain down on a target... it actually feels worthwhile...

[Acehilator]

Yeah teamwork that is easily interrupted and produces subpar to mediocre results if going well. LRMs were hosed ever since the fix for the Artemis bug (where they nerfed flight pathes and spread behaviour instead of just going back to pre-Nov 6. settings), they really did not need ECM as the final nail in the coffin.

Even a monkey can be a great asset to a team playing Laserwarrior Online with 4x LL or whatever instead of trying to make Spotter + LRM support work.

[Rocket2Uranus]

LRM boats.

Learn to play with Lasers/ACs.

That is all.

Buckminster, on 06 December 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

Rather than un-nerf the LRM, I'd rather see them tweak the ECM. Prior to the ECM addition, LRMs were in a good spot - feared but not overpowered. They were deadly to people that were careless, but could be countered with some equipment and skill. But now that every team is running ECM, they've practically gone away.

But again, I think the issue is in ECM. From what I remember, only the Raven had ECM, so why we now have Atlases running around with it is beyond me.

And Prior to ECM everyone was running LRM/SSRM/ACs.
Besides missile boats complaining about ECMs, AC boats are also complaining about AC patches.
what's your point? people will always go with the most OP weapons.

Edited by Rocket2Uranus, 06 December 2012 - 03:01 PM.

[Col Forbin]

Rocket2Uranus, on 06 December 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

LRM boats.

Learn to play with Lasers/ACs.

That is all.



And Prior to ECM everyone was running LRM/SSRM/ACs.
Besides missile boats complaining about ECMs, AC boats are also complaining about AC patches.
what's your point? people will always go with the most OP weapons.

Wow, that was so insightful. So your solution is to stop using them, instead of balancing them? My Awesome has 2 ERLL in addition to the LRM30.... Oh and I can regularly do 500 damage with 4 small pulse in my Jenner, so I don't think it's about "learn to play with lazers..."

[Rocket2Uranus]

Col Forbin, on 06 December 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

Wow, that was so insightful. So your solution is to stop using them, instead of balancing them? My Awesome has 2 ERLL in addition to the LRM30.... Oh and I can regularly do 500 damage with 4 small pulse in my Jenner, so I don't think it's about "learn to play with lazers..."

WOW! 2 ERLL!

I find it funny that people who clearly are bias with Missiles/ACs are complaining so hard now because they can't spam OP weapons anymore.

Thanks for proving my point, that you guys are so depended on these OP weapons that you can't live without them.

Edited by Rocket2Uranus, 06 December 2012 - 05:18 PM.

[Col Forbin]

Rocket2Uranus, on 06 December 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

WOW! 2 ERLL!

I find it funny that people who clearly are bias with Missiles/ACs are complaining so hard now because they can't spam OP weapons anymore.

Thanks for proving my point, that you guys are so depended on these OP weapons that you can't live without them.

Thanks for proving my point: That you are making a lot of assumptions about someone you don't know and contributed exactly nothing to this discussion

Edited by Col Forbin, 10 December 2012 - 07:21 AM.