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[Psikez]

Stoicblitzer, on 04 March 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

chavette told me to come here.
9/10

Imo you can only rate this threadnaught if you make it through all 135 pages+

[Thoummim]

Garth Erlam, on 06 December 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

It's actually because it invalidates heat as an issue in a team vs. team environment.

Page 2...

So coolant flush are op, best flush is mc only.

P2W.

I don't think I will continue to play (and pay) if you go this way, MW3 and 4 are still a lot of fun and I have access to all the content for free.

Edited by Thoummim, 04 March 2013 - 06:44 PM.

[NightFallsOnU]

Kadassa, on 04 March 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

How is it play to win?

Are you gona kill everyone with a single use coolant flush? o.o

no that 6 ppc stalker will do it in 2 flushes lol

[Stoicblitzer]

Psikez, on 04 March 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

Imo you can only rate this threadnaught if you make it through all 135 pages+

[Star Captain]

I will say this. I have logged a lot of time in this game and I like it, a lot. I feel the coolant is going towards a pay to win type. Its not a large step in that direction, but its a start. I hope you guys don't become Zynga. I really hope you don't turn this great game into a worthless one.

[Psikez]

Coolant Flush?

http://www.youtube.c...vdf5n-zI14&NR=1

[Helmer]

Osa Eris Xero, on 04 March 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

Patience and understanding would be nice, but as far as I've been able to tell, the only time we get traction is when we blow up the forums. Reasoned discussion and thoughtful analysis doesn't work, but forum riots do, so we're going with what works. The other part of that is that something like this coolant flush nonsense is so blindingly obvious that everyone who saw it rushed to the boards to shout about it. It's not like the unthinking horde posting here has an organizing committee, we all decided to get here express our displeasure. I know I would be shocked that this idea made it off the back of the napkin if there wasn't a history of related problems

From your perspective, I can see where it might seem that way. But the "forum riots" and masses of negative posting and vitriol work against those trying to post intelligently. It just makes it more difficult to sift through the hate, and get to the content.
The volume of posts does help, but the bashing does not. Expressing displeasure is good, that's the kind of post that helps. However, there's a big difference between "I dislike coolant, and here is why" and "OMERGAAAWD PAUL, WHY DO YOU SUCK SO BAD?!?"
The non constructive hateful posts do only 3 things , 1) Make that poster feel better (not a bad thing) 2) Encourage more vitriol 3) Get over looked because they offer nothing constructive to the conversation.



And for the record Paul sucks because he's a Pepsi drinker.


Cheers.

[Psikez]

Helmer, on 04 March 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

And for the record Paul sucks because he's a Pepsi drinker.

Cheers.

QFT

[Particle Man]

Thoummim, on 04 March 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

MW3 and 4 are still a lot of fun and I have access to all the content for free.

while i agree about the "if it's P2W then this game can Fk off", but i reinstalled mw4 the other day, and if you think it compares to this game's gameplay at all, you're just silly and fooling yourself

[Snipe981]

I cant agree with sentiment more....

Star Captain, on 04 March 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

I will say this. I have logged a lot of time in this game and I like it, a lot. I feel the coolant is going towards a pay to win type. Its not a large step in that direction, but its a start. I hope you guys don't become Zynga. I really hope you don't turn this great game into a worthless one.

This is a quality game that has slowly been developing into a better game with each patch. Consumables could be the path that starts to lead many founders away from the game.

[stjobe]

MoonUnitBeta, on 04 March 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

And we don't know enough yet that they might just change the artillery to use two module slots. So while it uses one less module slots, there's a range of other information we don't know. And that's why no one can prove me wrong that it's pay to win. I can't prove you that it's not, but that's the point. Going head over heels about it being pay to win the first day that they announce consumable (AN EXAMPLE EVEN) is about as crazy as watching teletubies for the in-depth story line.

If we're both in a 'mech with a single module slot, you (as a CB-only player) have to choose 15% flush or 20% flush. I, as a MC-paying player, can also choose a 35% flush. You cannot. That's pay to win.

If we're both in a 'mech with more than a single module slot, anything you choose to put in your slots I can pay for better versions of - and I can cram more in, since the Coolant Flush MC consumable takes only one slot.

[Dihm]

I dislike coolant flushing because it makes no logical sense.

How is it possible that you can flush an entire mech's coolant at the push of a button without it taking up any weight?

I am greatly disappointed in this decision.

[Psikez]

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[Helmer]

Buddahcjcc, on 04 March 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

everyone should like this. even Helmer agrees to no flush

Yeah , but I'm also an ***** and just a forum janitor, so .... you know.... take that into consideration too.



Cheer.

Edited by Helmer, 04 March 2013 - 06:53 PM.
Wow a not smart person that starts with i is blocked. You learn something new everyday.

[Moromillas]

MoonUnitBeta, on 04 March 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

And we don't know enough yet that they might just change the artillery to use two module slots. So while it uses one less module slots, there's a range of other information we don't know. And that's why no one can prove me wrong that it's pay to win. I can't prove you that it's not, but that's the point. Going head over heels about it being pay to win the first day that they announce consumable (AN EXAMPLE EVEN) is about as crazy as watching teletubies for the in-depth story line.

Paul's post about this is very clear. Yes, what we have is on paper, and yes, it is pay to win. That is what we're talking about here, basically comparing these specific modules (C-Bill vs MC versions) on paper. I'll explain it again.

The C-Bill version totals at 35%.
The MC version totals at 35%.

The C-bill version takes up two module slots.
The MC version takes up one module slot.

You basically pay for the use of an extra module slot, thus pay to win.

[Karr285]

Dihm, on 04 March 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

I dislike coolant flushing because it makes no logical sense.

How is it possible that you can flush an entire mech's coolant at the push of a button without it taking up any weight?

I am greatly disappointed in this decision.

I agree and would have preferred to see them add the Cooling Pod instead and you have to recharge that for mc or cbills IE it adds "special" module slots to your mech that don't exist if you don't have a cooling pod installed.

Edited by Karr285, 04 March 2013 - 06:53 PM.

[Bagheera]

Surtr, on 04 March 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

I'm speechless. I can't believe the dev's have added coolant flush. I'm not going to rage-quit, withhold money, etc. etc. I just think it is a terrible design decision.

100% agreed. Unbelievable. Kinda in the same boat. I'm not likely to rage quit, but I am likely to play considerably less and much less likely to spend money. More important than just the coolant flush itself, is the design direction one can infer from its addition. Consumables announcement aside, this takes the game in a direction I was hoping it would avoid.

[Moromillas]

Helmer, on 04 March 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

And for the record Paul sucks because he's a Pepsi drinker.

Ah mah gah, seriously? You mean he really? O_o

*shakes head*

[MoonUnitBeta]

stjobe, on 04 March 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

If we're both in a 'mech with a single module slot, you (as a CB-only player) have to choose 15% flush or 20% flush. I, as a MC-paying player, can also choose a 35% flush. You cannot. That's pay to win.

If we're both in a 'mech with more than a single module slot, anything you choose to put in your slots I can pay for better versions of - and I can cram more in, since the Coolant Flush MC consumable takes only one slot.

Says the guy that needs the coolant flush!

No, I see what your saying, but facts are I CAN take two modules for 35%, and you can take the MC one, and we'll still be on the same line.
The only part you might have an advantage is that you can stuff more modules on, but that's hardly an I WIN button that everyone is suggesting this is.
Because really? 15% more heat flush is hardly the epitome of a winning game. And you only get the 15% bonus once. Let's get real.

[Dihm]

Karr285, on 04 March 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

I agree and would have preferred to see them add the Cooling Pod instead and you have to recharge that for mc or cbills IE it adds "special" module slots to your mech that don't exist if you don't have a cooling pod installed.

I agree, if you want the coolant, use the actual logic provided by the game this is based upon, with tweaks as needed to make it workable for MWO.