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[Verminaard]

So we all know we're going to be killed eventually. But what happens when we die, will there be options? We believe there will be costs to repair damaged mechs. How much is anyone's guess. So lets say my mech is destroyed in a match. I have to pay (random number) 50% of the mech's cost to repair it. But what if I was going near critical and about to get destroyed,,, and I ejected? Would this reduce my repair bill to lets say 33% of the mech's value? It makes sense, it took less damage, needs less repairs.

So the general question is, Should there be multiple methods to die, with different "penalties" associated with the death?

-Fighting until your mech gives out ~50% cost to repair
-Ejecting before your mech gives out ~33% cost to repair
-Flee from the field of battle/surrender option(when all is hopeless) ~25% cost to repair

Another possibility is that there will be a calculated damage system where the game actively keeps track of which parts of your mech were damaged and their "value".

So your arm may cost 2,500 Cbills, your Center torso 5,000 Cbills and so on. So a full death may simply mean the max repair cost for each mech section.


Then the all mighty question arises, I've died in the match. what happens now?

Will I be spectating, kicked to lobby? other options maybe?


PS: My first topic started, sorry if the poll is messed up somehow, or if i posted in the wrong section.

[Gigaton]

Verminaard, on 13 May 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

Then the all mighty question arises, I've died in the match. what happens now?

If you mean died as in the pilot kicking the bucket, that can't happen at all in MW:O. IIRC, even ejection won't be featured, at least not initially. If you just mean the mech getting disabled, I'd say the amount you need to spend in C-Bills for repair will vary depending on the cirumenstances.

Once you are destroyed, I'm hoping for WoT style system where you can just exit back to lobby for no penalty and start a different battle with different 'mech while the surviving pilots finish up the first one.

Edited by Gigaton, 13 May 2012 - 08:30 PM.

[Juiced]

Kicked out to the lobby or some such. There should not be spectators because you dont want them relaying info to the rest of the team.

[Zylo]

I chose friendly spectator mode as it will give new players a good way to learn from watching what works and what doesn't after they are out of the fight. That was how I learned in WoT when I started that game and I imagine many new players would want to learn MWO with a similar system.

Sure players could relay info to team after being taken out but since both sides would have the option it's self balancing as long as players are still able to type in team chat vs not being able to type which then favors 3rd party VOIP.

[Arbhall Sommers]

I do like the way WoT does it. I am fully behind that.
My hope is that the repairs will be a static amount for external armor and a sliding scale for interals, based on value of internal components. Obviously the more complex the component the more it will cost, to reflect the man hours of wrenching something like a hip actuator into place and calibrated.
Im expecting to pay roughly 30-50% of a mechs total cost with each mech destroyed result. Im not looking forward to that, but it is preferable to having to scratch together a new pilot. I do not want to lose my pilots.

[Paewen]

Tehbob, on 13 May 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:

Kicked out to the lobby or some such. There should not be spectators because you dont want them relaying info to the rest of the team.

If you have it so the spectator can only spectate friendlies, and only see what the team can see, this isn't an issue.

[Red October911]

I was thinking spectator that can see both teams but can't chat, only observe.

[Fresh Meat]

Red_October911, on 13 May 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

I was thinking spectator that can see both teams but can't chat, only observe.

people use private team chats

[Juiced]

Paewen, on 13 May 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

If you have it so the spectator can only spectate friendlies, and only see what the team can see, this isn't an issue.

maybe, what if the person watching is paying more attention..... "hey Atlas one, those two heavies are covering, the SRMs they are firing are just covering for some LRMs coming from behind that hill" "ahhh thanks man, Command-atlas one there is a support element at grid coords...blah blah blah"

I see the other side, its not fun to sit without watching...but im not sure. If they do allow spectate i agree that it should only be friendlies and that they should not be able to switch who they are spectating often.

[Helmer]

The developers have already stated that you, the mechwarrior , cannot die. They have also mentioned, I believe in a Dev blog, that the current plans are to allow for spectating of friendly players only from a 1st person perspective ,and plan to test it during closed beta. So this is subject to change.

Most likely you will be allowed to spectate if you wish, or drop into the client software to repair your 'mech and start up another match.

We will see once open beta hits sometime in "Summer 2012"



Cheers.

[Siilk]

Post-mortem spectator mode should be limited to friendly mechs' in-cockpit view. Spectator should not be able to see what alive player is not able to see, so no 3rd person spectating, this could lead to spectators looking over the obstacles/around the corners and providing their team with information that could not be acquired by alive players without exposing their mechs to the enemy fire.

[Cruxshadow]

I find the ability to observe after being knocked out to be one of the ways I learn new or better tactics.

[Aldinvor]

it has to be limited to your own teams view to stop exploitation via TS/Vent/cans with string, etc.

[Volthorne]

Spectate those friendlies! Give someone a second pair of eyes to watch for stuff, or keep an eye on their readouts so they can focus fully on shooting things.

[Steel Talon]

Ejection should alow u to join other battle with same mech imidiately.

Ejection should alow u to join other battle with same mech imidiately.

[StandingCow]

Friendlies only camera would be nice, where you were locked to their view... that way they couldn't help while dead. Although it WOULD be cool to be able to watch from 3rd person...

As far as the mini-movie... I was undecided. I guess a 3rd person camera circling your destroyed mech for a few seconds would be cool.

[zirkonflex]

I'd like to be ejected, would be cool since the devs said the pilot never dies anyways.

[LackofCertainty]

First off, I think you guys are expecting to pay waaaaay too much in terms of repairs. 30-50% of your mech's value is insane, because I believe that missions are going to normally pay you enough to cover repairs. that means that if the losers get 30-50% of their mech value as a reward per game, then the winners would make even more than that.

Sure the winners have some repair costs too, but the long and short of it would be that really good players could buy a new mech every 3-4 matches. That's not nearly grindy enough for a F2P setup.

I think it's more realistic to assume that you'll be earning around 1/50th of a mech's value for a win (after repairs) and maybe 1/100th of a mech's value for a loss. (again after repairs are deducted) That way, hardcore players can buy the mechs they want, but there's still an encouragement to put money into the game "get that new mech now." Maybe if you win a match and somehow come out with a completely untouched mech, you'd earn as much as 1/30th of a new mech, but no way in heck would you be getting 1/3 to 1/2 of one. >_>


Also, this is a F2P title that is seeking a large audience. I don't think there's going to be a way to actively lose money in a match short of if you loaded in, killed 3 of your teammates and then suicide. If poor players get forced into a situation where they can't afford repairs, then you force that player to either:

1. Make a new account
2. (more likely) Quit because they couldn't win with a fully loaded mech, much less a half-armored mech that's down 2 weapons.

Devs have already said that your mech gets automatically (and probably freely) restored to a bare minimum state after each match. What I think that means is that you get your internal structure fixed up for free, and the only repair cost you have is replacing armor, weapons, ammo and (maaaybe) criticals.

Edited by LackofCertainty, 14 May 2012 - 03:58 AM.

[ThreeLefts]

The 30 second delay allows people to freely spectate anyone they want and not compromise fair play.
I'd have to go with that, watching mechs smash each other is second only to piloting them.

[StandingCow]

Wonder if they will have the WoT system...where you can buy a "premium" account to get a bit of a higher reward at the end of matches.