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[Ursh]

Sit on thermals and aim center mass from 1.5x my weapon range knowing that I'm firing so fast that the minimized damage doesn't actually matter. My ammo is cheap and I get a hellacious amount of shots per ton of ac2 and ac5 ammo. I can fire this stuff all day.

Even though my ballistic weapons are in fixed locations spread over three torsos, I'll stand toe to toe with another mech, knowing my weapons will converge on the center torso, even if it is mathematically impossible for me to hit them with 3 ac10s at the same time in the same location.

I've played a gaussapult and pretended it's normal for a rig with two fixed weapons to be able to hit the same location on a mech at the exact same time. *It's ******* impossible, you have two locked torso weapons. They can't move independently to give you a shot on someone's head or center torso. It's literally impossible. It's a ******** mechanic and you know it.

[Solis Obscuri]

Theoretically those aren't "fixed" they are articulated by servos and myomers (in the case of a large weapon) in order to track and converge on targets at a variety of ranges.

[Warrax the Chaos Warrior]

I was thinking about that earlier today... wouldn't the gauss rounds or w/e collide with each other and most likely shatter right before they hit the target, thereby ruining any penetration they might have had?

Edited by Warrax the Chaos Warrior, 10 December 2012 - 04:30 PM.

[SpiralRazor]

Ursh, on 10 December 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Sit on thermals and aim center mass from 1.5x my weapon range knowing that I'm firing so fast that the minimized damage doesn't actually matter. My ammo is cheap and I get a hellacious amount of shots per ton of ac2 and ac5 ammo. I can fire this stuff all day.

Even though my ballistic weapons are in fixed locations spread over three torsos, I'll stand toe to toe with another mech, knowing my weapons will converge on the center torso, even if it is mathematically impossible for me to hit them with 3 ac10s at the same time in the same location.

I've played a gaussapult and pretended it's normal for a rig with two fixed weapons to be able to hit the same location on a mech at the exact same time. *It's ******* impossible, you have two locked torso weapons. They can't move independently to give you a shot on someone's head or center torso. It's literally impossible. It's a ******** mechanic and you know it.

Your argument would be sound, but torso weapons arent fixed emplaced guns....and you can run out of ammo for ballistics quite easily unless you want to move and track like a slug.

[Solis Obscuri]

Warrax the Chaos Warrior, on 10 December 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

I was thinking about that earlier today... wouldn't the gauss rounds or w/e collide with each other and most likely shatter right before they hit the target, thereby ruining any penetration they might have had?

Possibly. I'd expect turbulence effects might alter their courses before that happened, but that's conjecture.

[Kraven Kor]

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Stand still and shoot far, far away.

That is a good way to get killed, FYI.

Don't get me wrong, I've gotten kills doing exactly what you describe - but it does, sadly, rely on your target being braindead, basically. They have to kind of not move for a while, unless you are a crack shot. And it exposes you to fire - possibly more than you bargained for, or someone who can nail a cockpit at that same range with dual gauss rifles. It is not that hard on an immobile target, it really isn't.

Best bet with ballistics right now?

"Juggle" multiple ballistic mechs in and out of cover and saturate their leading or exposed mechs with as much fire as possible. If you stand and shoot, you are a target. You move up and down behind a hill, or in and out from behind cover, with multiple mechs? Damage gets spread around your units, you get to focus one of theirs (ideally, at any rate.)

[Gaeb]

(in answer to "If I was a ballistics mech I'd ...")
... load up as many UAC5's as I could, because that **** is mad op right now. Love it.

[SpiralRazor]

Gaeb, on 10 December 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

(in answer to "If I was a ballistics mech I'd ...")
... load up as many UAC5's as I could, because that **** is mad op right now. Love it.

Every time ive come up against a Muromets w/3 UACS in a slug fest, my 4x has won.. the 2 AC/2s are still better then that 3rd UAC/5.

[Vassago Rain]

Ursh, on 10 December 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Sit on thermals and aim center mass from 1.5x my weapon range knowing that I'm firing so fast that the minimized damage doesn't actually matter. My ammo is cheap and I get a hellacious amount of shots per ton of ac2 and ac5 ammo. I can fire this stuff all day.

Even though my ballistic weapons are in fixed locations spread over three torsos, I'll stand toe to toe with another mech, knowing my weapons will converge on the center torso, even if it is mathematically impossible for me to hit them with 3 ac10s at the same time in the same location.

I've played a gaussapult and pretended it's normal for a rig with two fixed weapons to be able to hit the same location on a mech at the exact same time. *It's ******* impossible, you have two locked torso weapons. They can't move independently to give you a shot on someone's head or center torso. It's literally impossible. It's a ******** mechanic and you know it.

Yeah, uhh, that's kinda how ballistics work. Dakka dakka dakka dakka

[Cerlin]

I am wondering if the people whining about ac's use them much. Hmmm. They are rough to use, heavy, slow projectile speed, and basically at the best when one puts his chest in your guns (and sometimes your projectile still goes Through the target.) They feel pretty balanced w/ ammo, still having heat, and heavy as balls.

[Biruke]

The guns in torso slightly move depending on the distance. It's obviuos and it is easy to do even with the current technology.

Whining about UACs? You know how hard it is to blow up a light with them?