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[skamage]

Garth Erlam, on 11 December 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Ohh philosophic debate; ok, I have one!

If you walk into a restaurant when it's closed, and give the waiter 2 bucks for a coffee, is the store open?

Hmm, must be if they take your money and give you coffee...have one for you. If it looks, quacks, moves, smells, and tastes like a duck but is called a turkey does it make a turkey or a duck?

Labels are just that labels....what you are isn't changed by a label. Hey look at that, you have a nifty beta label. LOL

[BellatorMonk]

Garth Erlam, on 11 December 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Ohh philosophic debate; ok, I have one!

If you walk into a restaurant when it's closed, and give the waiter 2 bucks for a coffee, is the store open?

Does the sign on the door say "closed" or "open for beta" ?

[Purlana]

Garth Erlam, on 11 December 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Ohh philosophic debate; ok, I have one!

If you walk into a restaurant when it's closed, and give the waiter 2 bucks for a coffee, is the store open?

Yes, the store is open. It's not just letting one person into the restaurant when it's closed, your letting EVERYONE in to buy coffee. (With bright neon lights outside advertising the fact)

If your not open, why is everyone in your store buying coffee???

Edited by Purlana, 11 December 2012 - 09:17 AM.

[borisof007]

What you are isn't changed, expectations should be.

Gmail was in beta for forever, even though people were expecting the world from it because they're used to other products and services at the same level that aren't in beta. I get that Gmail's a free product, but still.

Lower your expectations. I'm a legendary founder, I've obviously dropped the money on this game yet I have no issues waiting (on content and balancing, Crash to Desktops are another story *COUGH FIX IT PLEASE*). After going through WoW for 6 years, I've learned to be patient while new content's introduced and balancing issues are solved.

[Enigmos]

So the devs opened the doors and let folks in. It isn't time to open yet and there's only fresh coffee, but they say they will accept your money if you get it yourself.

So suddenly half the people start griping loudly there isn't any fresh pie, and get rude when the proprietor just looks at them sadly.

I feel like Gabriel in 'Constantine': You should better appreciate your host.

Edited by OriginalTibs, 11 December 2012 - 09:17 AM.

[skamage]

soarra, on 11 December 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

well you start your own game up and run things your way. They are a small company and the game is coming along. Yes it does have problems but it will get better over time.

LOL great counter argument. My point was maybe they should take some pointers from the bigger companies that have already done this MMO thing. It's called feedback. If you want to see something succeed you communicate if it's failing or accomplishing the goal. Stepping in line doesn't really help them see what bugs are still out there or the way the community wants the game to go. Since we are the paying customer, they should try to make us happy. By your argument we should just shut up, fall in line and not worry about it. Sorry, I want to see this succeed so I'll keep telling them what I think.

[Apoc1138]

but they are giving food away for free... you are CHOOSING to pay for the coffee, but you could just have a glass of water

[Taryys]

This!!

borisof007, on 11 December 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

What you are isn't changed, expectations should be.

Gmail was in beta for forever, even though people were expecting the world from it because they're used to other products and services at the same level that aren't in beta. I get that Gmail's a free product, but still.

Lower your expectations. I'm a legendary founder, I've obviously dropped the money on this game yet I have no issues waiting (on content and balancing, Crash to Desktops are another story *COUGH FIX IT PLEASE*). After going through WoW for 6 years, I've learned to be patient while new content's introduced and balancing issues are solved.

[Lanessar]

Garth Erlam, on 11 December 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Ohh philosophic debate; ok, I have one!

If you walk into a restaurant when it's closed, and give the waiter 2 bucks for a coffee, is the store open?

This falls under the "George Orwellian" section of my post.

[Taryys]

.. or you could wait a little while to take some time to sweep the floor and then you get your coffee for free?

Apoc1138, on 11 December 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

but they are giving food away for free... you are CHOOSING to pay for the coffee, but you could just have a glass of water

[soarra]

skamage, on 11 December 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

LOL great counter argument. My point was maybe they should take some pointers from the bigger companies that have already done this MMO thing. It's called feedback. If you want to see something succeed you communicate if it's failing or accomplishing the goal. Stepping in line doesn't really help them see what bugs are still out there or the way the community wants the game to go. Since we are the paying customer, they should try to make us happy. By your argument we should just shut up, fall in line and not worry about it. Sorry, I want to see this succeed so I'll keep telling them what I think.

it you listen to all the whiney self entitled new generation of gamers this game will turn out to be crap. IM sure they look at suggestions but if they implemented them all we would have one screwed up game. One thread LRMs are op, next one, THye are useless..

[Enigmos]

Lanessar, on 11 December 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

This falls under the "George Orwellian" section of my post.

Why? Do you feeel like you are being watched?

[Lonestar1771]

umm since when did the customer cater to the company?

[Lanessar]

OriginalTibs, on 11 December 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

Why? Do you feeel like you are being watched?

No.

I do, however, request a tinfoil hat for my Jenner.

[Lonestar1771]

soarra, on 11 December 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

it you listen to all the whiney self entitled new generation of gamers this game will turn out to be crap. IM sure they look at suggestions but if they implemented them all we would have one screwed up game. One thread LRMs are op, next one, THye are useless..

Lol so that's it, huh? New generation of gamers lol! Because back in the day it was so much better huh?

[skamage]

soarra, on 11 December 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

it you listen to all the whiney self entitled new generation of gamers this game will turn out to be crap. IM sure they look at suggestions but if they implemented them all we would have one screwed up game. One thread LRMs are op, next one, THye are useless..

Hmm never said they should follow all feedback. Just said they need it in order to gauge where the path should lead for developing the game. Just pointed out that shutting up and falling in line because "it's beta!!!!" isn't really the way to go. Keep them coming, these are great points....

[soarra]

Lonestar1771, on 11 December 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

Lol so that's it, huh? New generation of gamers lol! Because back in the day it was so much better huh?

yes

[Purlana]

Lanessar, on 11 December 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

No.

I do, however, request a tinfoil hat for my Jenner.

500 MC, you want to buy?

Edited by Purlana, 11 December 2012 - 09:27 AM.

[borisof007]

It's not about the customer catering to the company.

Right now it needs to be a 2 way street. We have to give our patience, our time, and some of us will also give our money when we want to.

PGI in turn provides content, bug fixes, and a very fun game to play.

[Lanessar]

Purlana, on 11 December 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

500 MC, you buy?

Darn straight. Cheaper than Christmas lights.

Or a paint job.