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[Azuanite]

I decidetd to roll a raven with ECM + streaks and pulse laser. ECM is just so hilariously broken to the point that i can take on an atlas (NO ECM) 1v1 and win. With streaks not working on light mechs, they are close to invincible.

I played with 250+ latency and 10 fps and i feel like a god playing a ECM light mech. The only time i get destroyed is by 5 mechs shooting at me or other ECM mechs

Edited by Azuanite, 11 December 2012 - 06:59 PM.

[Wingbreaker]

Azuanite, on 11 December 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

I decidetd to roll a raven with ECM + streaks and pulse laser. ECM is just so hilariously broken to the point that i can take on an atlas (NO ECM) 1v1 and win. With streaks not working on light mechs, they are close to invincible.

I played with 250+ latency and 10 fps and i feel like a god playing a ECM light mech. The only time i get destroyed is by 5 mechs shooting at me or other ECM mechs

Oh, look

[Codejack]

I prefer the Commando; the 2D can mount 3xSSRM2, 3 tons ammo, BAP, ECM, decent armor, and if you shell out for the XL195, it will do 126kph without the speed tweak. I call it the Halfcat, because it's like half a streakcat.

[dal10]

please drive more commandos, they are easy to kill, the raven and cicada have enough armor to be annoying

[Rhent]

Wingbreaker, on 11 December 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

Oh, look

Oh, look. Instead of Streak Cats we have ECM boats. Very good job of game balance PGI.

[N0MAD]

Have you considered its most likely your lag shield keeping you alive?.

[Eltyr]

Ooooo. One person is better with a light. Must be OP.

Ravens, like Jenners before them, die to single enemies. Their main advantage is being able to disengage from slower mechs when the battle isn't going their way. Jenners and Commandos are faster. Jenners have more hard points. One of the stock Centurions is the same speed. The Raven cannot move its arms horizontally. It has limited armor. It cannot fit heavy weapons reasonably. The Raven does have ECM, but that hardly effects solo survivability against unguided weapons.

If you play at extremely low framerates, and high ping, it makes sense that you can't aim, and so prefer hit and run. This doesn't sound like a balance issue.

Don't get me wrong. The Raven is great. It is not, however, easy mode. A fast heavy fits that much more easily.

Edited by Eltyr, 11 December 2012 - 07:22 PM.

[Omigir]

Atlas 1v1 against ANY light usually looses.. :\ your thesis is flawed.

[dal10]

Omigir, on 11 December 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Atlas 1v1 against ANY light usually looses.. :\ your thesis is flawed.

I will take any light pilot you got, lets do this.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

N0MAD, on 11 December 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Have you considered its most likely your lag shield keeping you alive?.

lag shield = feature
Its not broken, its advanced

dal10, on 11 December 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

I will take any light pilot you got, lets do this.

Yeah its funny catching lights with AC20 rounds

[Diss]

I tried it also, im pretty much invincible in my ECM commando and 3 streaks. Only time I die is if I stop moving, or get jumped by other ECM mechs, but even that is just a matter of who locks on and stays locked on first. No aiming skill required.

For some reason only Hunchbacks take a while to kill, tough ****'s. Everything else is cake with streaks.

Im personally leaning towards streaks just being game-breaking in general, just to easy to use. ECM is a bit OP, just needs a few tweaks to be reasonable.

ECM made streaks more numerable not less, sure steakcats are gone, but now streak-lights everywhere.

[Shard Phoenix]

Azuanite, on 11 December 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

I decidetd to roll a raven with ECM + streaks and pulse laser. ECM is just so hilariously broken to the point that i can take on an atlas (NO ECM) 1v1 and win. With streaks not working on light mechs, they are close to invincible.

I played with 250+ latency and 10 fps and i feel like a god playing a ECM light mech. The only time i get destroyed is by 5 mechs shooting at me or other ECM mechs

The part I just emphasized with the bold stuff..

That has nothing to do with ECM. ECM did not enable you to go 1v1 against an Atlas and win. As with any of the Mech types, there are some bad Atlas pilots out there that couldn't kill a light even if they had a nuclear pulse blast at their disposal.

Another tidbit to point out: If you're playing with 250ms ping in fast mover... Congratulations you are running within a lag shield and are probably skipping about on other player's screens. That, too, has nothing to do with ECM.

[Raynz]

Codejack, on 11 December 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

I prefer the Commando; the 2D can mount 3xSSRM2, 3 tons ammo, BAP, ECM, decent armor, and if you shell out for the XL195, it will do 126kph without the speed tweak. I call it the Halfcat, because it's like half a streakcat.

I'm curious as to just how much ammo you're stripping off to get all of the gear on there?

[ROFLwaffle49]

Play me, lets see how it goes

[Elizander]

Spreading the love. I play at 350 ms average so I don't play light mechs.

[Ricama]

If it's any consolation, just tell yourself it's beta and you're not joining a bandwagon, you're helping to highlight broken tech.

[Dagger6T6]

Commando = Mr Glass

[80Bit]

I have a Commando COM-2D with ECM and 3xSSRM2, and TAG. I have stable sub 100 ping. I play in PUGs.

Yes, the Commando is very fragile. Get caught by an Assault's Alpha and you are toast. One large LRM volley can kill you.

But you know what, it DOES feel like god mode most of the time. It's not because ECM makes you a god, it's because hit tracking is broken. Lasers do sweeping damage and hardly scratch me at top speed. I never run at a target head on, so people almost never hit me with ballistics. Like most lights, lock on weapons are the only thing that quickly kill me, and with ECM I mostly don't have to deal with them.

So what does that mean? That means I have two kinds of matches.

75% of the time there is no ECM raven or commando to counter me and I run around throwing streak missile death at everyone. I typically get 500+ damage and 2-4 kills, while taking almost no damage myself.

The other 25% of the time I run into a pair of ECM lights that block my weapons and ******* up in under 15 seconds (not exaggerating literally 15 seconds). Or I run into a single ECM mech that counters my ECM and I get killed by 2-3 LRM volleys.

But again, this is

[FrostCollar]

Regardless of ECM, this is just another good reason why this game desperately needs knockdowns to be readded.

[SpiralRazor]

Rhent, on 11 December 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Oh, look. Instead of Streak Cats we have ECM boats. Very good job of game balance PGI.

You install one and your done, no one is boating ECM...you mean the FOTM mechs have completely changed? yeah, ill give you that!