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[Kdogg788]

Samantha, on 13 December 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

If you can suggest a medium on which we can wager over, I am happy to wager $1000USD that this game will be dead by july 2013. If by miracle they can turn this around, I'm more than happy to lose the bet.

Then I will play it till then. It's already given me miles more enjoyment the Multiplayer Battletech ever did, and that offered so much less than this. The only thing MPBT had going for it over MWO were lobbies. No customization, limited mech offerings, slow polygonish early 90s graphics, and level design that made every battle look like it took place in Nebraska.

-k

[Khobai]

Hawken really had no chance against MWO if MWO was managed right. But all the persistent bugs, performance issues, game balance issues, and the ill-conceived trial mech system, etc... are just helping to make Hawken a more serious contender.

[MustrumRidcully]

deadeye mcduck, on 13 December 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

Hawken is nothing like MWO, hopefully we will lose some "twitch gamers" to Hawken, leaving this game to those who enjoy simulation of MWO.

I don't think Hawken will be for me...

But remember - weapon cooldowns in MW:O range from 0.5 seconds to 4.75 seconds... MW4 still had weapons with up to 8 second cooldowns. This game is actually pretty twitchy by comparison to other Mechwarrior titles...

[Ryvucz]

Bluten, on 13 December 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

Doesn't help that they all bait and switched us for Founder checks either, then immediately afterwards turned the unfinished game into a cash crop. All the guys that realized the stick was going to come up short got their refund while it was still on the menu. I should have done that too when I heard about the first MC-only hero variant. I also didn't know they were going to charge for slots and gouge so much for skins when I got this. You can put 100$+ into this game and it doesn't get you much. In most games... (60-100)it gets you everything. In most F2P titles, it'd get you quite a lot. They charge you for every paint edit even if you already bought the colors on a variant? Whata joke. Go look at League of Legends, please. And now they gutted my favorite role with the last patch. Thanks a lot, you guys.

So I hope they enjoy the splurging of the rare few rich old MW fans because the majority aren't going to drop a buck on it, meaning they'll get far less than they could have.

It gets you most things in a pay to win game.

League of Legends? They gouge like crazy for "skins".

You wanted to take back your Founders investment to help them along? I question your mentality and ability to make investment/risk and later retract when you think it's about to go "sour" for you.

[Rifter]

Negative Ghost Rider

[Stone Wall]

If MWO is dead in beta, then why all the users on forum? Most of America isn't even awake yet.

449 user(s) are browsing this forum

[Hades Trooper]

Ryvucz, on 13 December 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

It gets you most things in a pay to win game.

League of Legends? They gouge like crazy for "skins".

You wanted to take back your Founders investment to help them along? I question your mentality and ability to make investment/risk and later retract when you think it's about to go "sour" for you.

The founder pack was not an investment!

PGI made all sweet promises and offered basically a discount on MC. Hero mechs get better return than a founder mechs, so where short changed there.

i was a great fan of all the previous mechwarriors and bought every one of them and was happy with each title.

this i can see as just a way to get a constant stream of micro transactions going to make more money.

The old Mechwarriors they made, developed and had a great game for there time and they promoted it all without needing an influx of cash.

PGI makes all these promises and hasn't delivered. and there accepting cash from people and trying to get people to spend money on a game that not even half complete. barely half the mechs they announced are even in game.

Free to play is just a scam to get people to pay for an incomplete game when there starting up.

When an existing game goes FTP as least the content is already established and you KNOW the company is trying to increase the player base with a free intro offer, rather than just empty promises.

If i'd seen how this game was before i'd paid for my founder pack, i doubt i'd have bought it, PGI played us for suckers off the previous titles names and this is even worse than do i dare say it. Mech Assault on the X-box!

[Penance]

Caballo, on 13 December 2012 - 04:11 AM, said:

Simulation Vs arcade.

I prefer simulation.

This is what I was thinking last night. I made an account but didn't play since it opened at an ungodly hour in my time zone.

Looking at some videos it basically reminded me of fast playing Japanese mech games, heavy gear I think it was called? All mechs have jump jets / speed boosts I recall from a promo vid. It's like Call of doodie with mechs. Closed environments for fast paced quick battles.

[Sifright]

Stone Wall, on 13 December 2012 - 06:11 AM, said:

If MWO is dead in beta, then why all the users on forum? Most of America isn't even awake yet.

449 user(s) are browsing this forum

There is this place called europe. it's a big ******* place. It has more computers in it than america.

400 users isn't very much.

and the ingame population numbers are down. this is show in 8 man game queues where it can take upwards of 20 minutes to find a match now.

Penance, on 13 December 2012 - 06:13 AM, said:

This is what I was thinking last night. I made an account but didn't play since it opened at an ungodly hour in my time zone.

Looking at some videos it basically reminded me of fast playing Japanese mech games, heavy gear I think it was called? All mechs have jump jets / speed boosts I recall from a promo vid. It's like Call of doodie with mechs. Closed environments for fast paced quick battles.

Good thing there aren't any light mechs in this game with jump jets going around 140kPH it's also great that this thing called masc is never going to be introduced which definitely wont give a speed boost no sir-e bob.

[Purlana]

Stone Wall, on 13 December 2012 - 06:11 AM, said:

If MWO is dead in beta, then why all the users on forum? Most of America isn't even awake yet.

449 user(s) are browsing this forum

Even MMO champion has 350 users online in the offtopic forum. And most of those people are just trolling / goofing off...

[Ryvucz]

Hades Trooper, on 13 December 2012 - 06:13 AM, said:

The founder pack was not an investment!

PGI made all sweet promises and offered basically a discount on MC. Hero mechs get better return than a founder mechs, so where short changed there.

i was a great fan of all the previous mechwarriors and bought every one of them and was happy with each title.

this i can see as just a way to get a constant stream of micro transactions going to make more money.

The old Mechwarriors they made, developed and had a great game for there time and they promoted it all without needing an influx of cash.

PGI makes all these promises and hasn't delivered. and there accepting cash from people and trying to get people to spend money on a game that not even half complete. barely half the mechs they announced are even in game.

Free to play is just a scam to get people to pay for an incomplete game when there starting up.

When an existing game goes FTP as least the content is already established and you KNOW the company is trying to increase the player base with a free intro offer, rather than just empty promises.

If i'd seen how this game was before i'd paid for my founder pack, i doubt i'd have bought it, PGI played us for suckers off the previous titles names and this is even worse than do i dare say it. Mech Assault on the X-box!

So... just because we spotted it online before everyone else, means no one else should be able to get their hands on something to make C-Bills with an added boost?

I also see a lot of games doing that kick starter program for games you CANNOT EVEN PLAY YET.

Overall, I think you are either very young, or just seriously confused.

[Congzilla]

Bluten, on 13 December 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

Doesn't help that they all bait and switched us for Founder checks either, then immediately afterwards turned the unfinished game into a cash crop. All the guys that realized the stick was going to come up short got their refund while it was still on the menu. I should have done that too when I heard about the first MC-only hero variant. I also didn't know they were going to charge for slots and gouge so much for skins when I got this. You can put 100$+ into this game and it doesn't get you much. In most games... (60-100)it gets you everything. In most F2P titles, it'd get you quite a lot. They charge you for every paint edit even if you already bought the colors on a variant? Whata joke. Go look at League of Legends, please. And now they gutted my favorite role with the last patch. Thanks a lot, you guys.

So I hope they enjoy the splurging of the rare few rich old MW fans because the majority aren't going to drop a buck on it, meaning they'll get far less than they could have.

The amount of premium colors, skins, and hero mechs on the field is proof you are wrong.

[Romulus Stahl]

FrupertApricot, on 13 December 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

Hawken is a more accurate simulation at this point simply because the weapons actually hit what you shoot with them. Kind of an important measure. Just seems they have done more with less startup cash and are more willing to start new players off right. saying PGI shoudl look to them and riot for influences more than they have WoT.

How did you determine the startup cash comparisons? I recall Hawken having started up very small a few years ago but I don't think they are suffering/have suffered from funding.
http://www.geekwire....er-game-hawken/

[Shredhead]

It sickens me to see the same 4 or 5 naysayers all over crying "OMGMWOSUXANDWILLDIEBECAUSETHEYDONTDOWHATIDEMAND!" Fact is, Hawken has its own problems, its own speed and gameplay (I played it and its not for me) and they had a funding of freaking 25 Million Dollars opposed to IGP/PGIs 10 Million!

[Armorpiercer M82]

No, it will only filter COD kiddos away from here, which is fine.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Well, there is no doubt that Hawken will eat into the MWO playerbase, but MWO will do the same to them as well. Heck, any new game period will eat into any other game's user base. Can't play more than 1 game at the exact same time and there is many games to choose from.

Thing is, both are free. This doesn't come down to which game will you pick, why wouldn't somone pick both? Not like there has to be a definitive choice you have to make due to cost.

[FunkyFritter]

The only people playing MWO at this point are the battletech diehards and the players who really want a slower, strategic shooter. Hawken entering open beta isn't going to divert anyone who hasn't already abandoned ship.

[Purlana]

MeiSooHaityu, on 13 December 2012 - 06:24 AM, said:

Well, there is no doubt that Hawken will eat into the MWO playerbase, but MWO will do the same to them as well. Heck, any new game period will eat into any other game's user base. Can't play more than 1 game at the exact same time and there is many games to choose from.

Thing is, both are free. This doesn't come down to which game will you pick, why wouldn't somone pick both? Not like there has to be a definitive choice you have to make due to cost.

The problem is MWO is horrible to new players with such a boring initial grind. It's defiantly a turn off for new players.

[OneShotKill3r]

The only thing I can say about HAWKEN is, I can operate the Mech a lot easier than this one. I don't have to make sure my upper and lower parts are going in the same direction and when it stops, it stops.

[QuantumButler]

The only reason we here at Kong get so many new players is that they can group us with us, and since we're on voip we usually win even with them in godawful trial mechs while we rant drunkenly over comms, so they make enough money to buy a real mech quickly.

This is not the typical new user experience though, and all of them have said that they'd have quit ages ago if they didn't have people to drop with to make the excruciating grinds moderately enjoyable.