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[QContinuum]

Well i'm sure we'll keep seeing new weapons all the time and some will add balance and some will not.

[Adrian Steel]

QContinuum, on 14 December 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Well i'm sure we'll keep seeing new weapons all the time and some will add balance and some will not.

You must be smoking the same stuff the Devs are on. Getting it from the same dealer?

[Strum Wealh]

Khobai, on 14 December 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

Ultra Autocannon = Gatling Gun
Rotary Autocannon = 3 Gatling Guns that fire simultaneously while spinning around eachother

ahaha

Ultra Autocannon = (tri-barreled) Gast Gun

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The weapon uses two barrels combined into a single mechanism in such a way that the recoil from firing one barrel loads and charges the second.

Rotary Autocannon = Gatling-type rotary cannon

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A rotary cannon, or Gatling-type cannon, is a rapid-firing weapon that utilizes multiple barrels in a rotating cluster to provide a sustained rate of fire greater than single-barrelled machine guns or automatic cannons of equivalent caliber. The loading, firing, and unloading functions are performed simultaneously in different barrels as they rotate, and the rotation also provides the barrels some time to cool.

[SpiralRazor]

Crayzed Lyon, on 13 December 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

Isn't there also some TT rule where, in order to unjam an autocannon, a mech would have to have a free hand actuator? And if the AC was in an arm, then the hand actuator would have to be in the other arm. Basically, a Jagermech with UAC/5s would be screwed.

No..to unjam an AC you just waste a turn doing nothing while the autoloader clears the jam.

[Solis Obscuri]

Strum Wealh, on 14 December 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

Ultra Autocannon = (tri-barreled) Gast Gun

Hmmm... this does look suspiciously like Succession Wars era technology...

[Strum Wealh]

Solis Obscuri, on 15 December 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

Hmmm... this does look suspiciously like Succession Wars era technology...

That one (the "Saimese .223" by Tromix Lead Delivery Systems) is really more the product of some gun maker being highly inebriated...

More practically, there is the Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23 23mm Gast-type autocannon.




And, apparently, there is a new vehicle-mounted 152mm Gast-type cannon in development...

[J4ckInthebox]

[Tickdoff Tank]

SpiralRazor, on 14 December 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

No..to unjam an AC you just waste a turn doing nothing while the autoloader clears the jam.

The RAC can unjam. The UAC can not. The RAC has an increasing chance of jam based on how many times you fire the weapon in a turn, the UAC has a 2.77% chance to jam on a double shot.

J4ckInthebox, on 15 December 2012 - 05:07 AM, said:

AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!^Translation It is widely accepted that the theoretical state of "too much dakka" is physically impossible. This implies that the state of "enough dakka" is equally impossible, as adding any more to "enough" creates "too much". Therefore, there is always room for More Dakka.

[Longinius]

Okay first of all I've been playing BT for over 20 years and used to play it regularly(last few years have been tough and I work a lot) and run the game quite frequently and have read a lot of the manuals.

How an Ultra works is it double loads the magazine to fire 2 rounds similarly to a 20mm bushmaster chaingun on M3 bradley IFV(and I am referencing 2 rounds firing as fast as a chain gun not the entire AC ammo load). Its that double loading that causes the jam in the system THAT CANNOT BE CLEAERED IN A UAC(RAC u spend a turn and gunnery roll to clear and dismiss any attacks that round too)(Thanks TT or clearing thatu up before). Yes I know some variants had a "double barrel" config to handle the load and heat but over all it should not show a triple barrel system in the image.

And yes I am aware that rotarys are outside the time frame we are in. I was not making a comment to put them in the game I was making a comment based on the image they show for the AC in general being in accurate.

I want to thankyou all for showing the image of the HBK-4G in the mechlab but I was searching the purchasable mechs and didn't see it in my list. I will look a little deeper and see what I may have to do to unlock it.

I'm not some lame newb to the system. Pickup a core rule book and read for yourselves. I'll be glad to pull mine out and start naming pages if I have to.

I'm not looking for something where an artist cant be creative but be a little more true to the content of the source material. The Fasa miniatures always showed true to their variants of mechs.

Edited by Longinius, 15 December 2012 - 08:20 AM.

[sj mausgmr]

Don't be a 20 year vet, and not know what your talking about.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Burrock

http://www.sarna.net...i/Stooping_Hawk

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Canis

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Corvis

http://camospecs.com...ure.asp?ID=3568

http://camospecs.com...ure.asp?ID=6331

/thread

[Commander Kobold]

Corvis looks a lot like a cataphract (or is it vice versa) also I can has a Canis please I will pay many much space doll hairs for one

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Man, I really want an RAC5, or three.

Too bad they are well over a decade away canon-wise.

[Sephlock]

It just feels like it doesn't come with an ac/20 because you lose that hunch in the first 2 seconds of every encounter.

mwhighlander, on 14 March 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

Man, I really want an RAC5, or three.

Too bad they are well over a decade away canon-wise.

mwhighlander, on 14 March 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

Man, I really want an RAC5, or three.

Too bad they are well over a decade away canon-wise.

They didn't stop the devs with Angel ECM

[KinLuu]

In the old lore drawings, the UACs are singlebarreled. In the newer lore, the UAC are almost always depicted as multibarreled gatling-type cannons.

I am not sure when this change happened, but you can see it clearly on the Dire Wolf drawings:

old:


new:


So PGIs interpretation of the UAC5 is spot on. OP is behind on BT canon.

[AlexEss]

I think it was just put there (on the dragon as it is the only one that have this design afaik... for now at least) to encourage people to put three ac/2 on it. that way you have a massive amount of dakka and you have an accurate depiction.

But that is just my 2 cent

[Ramrod]

Longinius, on 15 December 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

I want to thankyou all for showing the image of the HBK-4G in the mechlab but I was searching the purchasable mechs and didn't see it in my list. I will look a little deeper and see what I may have to do to unlock it.

I'm going to let you in on a secret passed down from generation to generation of MWO players. I'm doing this in good faith, so I really hope you don't go spreading it around, cause the knowledge was bought with blood, sweat and tears by the very first pioneering mechjocks of MWO, so very long ago last summer.

To unlock the HBK-4G... you... buy it... with C-bills.

There, I said it. Now you know everything.

[Commander Kobold]

Rotary autocanons would be cool (more dakka dakka for the phracts/jaggers) not to mention we could get bushwackers

edit: ignore the bushwacker comment I got that info whatching a mechwarrior game on youtube (I think it was living legends) sarna tells me there's no rotary AC bushwacker q_q

Edited by Omni 13, 15 March 2013 - 01:19 AM.

[SgtMagor]

I just remembered in mw4 Uac fired 2 shots, .25 secs from the first iirc. haven't tried a UAC yet in MWO does it double shoot (fire 2 rounds a cycle?

[MustrumRidcully]

Kraven Kor, on 14 December 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

Very, very much so.

I want to know what was so gorram special about Martel Medium Lasers that made every. Single. Mech. Fit one... or more.

They found the secret recipe to making the most efficient weapon in Battletech. Of course everyone uses them.