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[River McCain]

Not sure why you felt the x45 was a bad setup, you may have gotten a bad build or some oddity, my x45 served very well until I stopped playing MW4, I dusted it off and installed the latest software about a week ago and it still works flawlessly. I do plan on thrashing the hell out of it come 7 Aug and we will see if it holds up after 8+ years of sitting unused.

[Catamount]

Picking the M12II over the S12II is a no brainer, as it's a modular version of the exact same thing for $3 more. The Corsair TX650 is an interesting choice though. It's true that the 12v rail has 5A/60W more available than the Seasonic units, which would give some OCing headroom, although if you're honestly playing it that close, you shouldn't be using a 650W PSU anyways

Besides, wasn't it established before that these lists aren't for the enthusiasts? That seemed to be the gist of our conversation a few days back, and it's true that anyone who's going to be doing anything hardcore with the machine will only use these as general price guides.


Which comes back to the extra amps not really necessarily being necessary after all. I don't know; I think a modular PSU is something worth having more than a tiny bit of extra-redundant power, especially at the $1200 pricepoint, but that's just my opinion. I know I, for one, will not purchase another non-modular unit. It's just not worth the extra work for cable management to save a few bucks. Many people are of a similar opinion. In fact, either Johnny Guru or Hardware Secrets had a review I read a bit ago that indicated that they're actually going to automatically deduct a bit of score now for any PSU that isn't modular (I'll try to find the review later; right now I have work in a few).
Edit: Or if we are going the non-modular route, why not do this for ten bucks more:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817182071

Edited by Catamount, 08 July 2012 - 11:27 AM.

[Vulpesveritas]

To be honest, it's more because of only having 24a/288w available to the GPU with that multi-rail m12ii, ruling out some of the super high end OC cards as being an option, and yeah i would probably push the capstone.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 10 July 2012 - 01:34 AM.

[Bansheedragon75]

After reading the Op I have a few comments and questions I would like to add.

I would like to start by commend you on a very good and informative post.
It has given me allot of insight and information on finding a joystick for use with MWO.
Posts with this much details and information are rare on any forum anywhere.
If you ask me this post should be stickied.


First off a comment about Logitech.:

I have used Logitech brand peripherals for my computer for the past 10+ years, and the quality of their products are in my opinion outstanding.
I have used the same keyboard/mouse combo for the past 5 years, mx5000 keyboard/mx1000 mouse (both wireless), other than having to replace the mouse a couple times, I have yet to have any problems with them.
The keyboard are still in prefect working order despite having taken a bit of a beating over the years

I have had some experience with warranty on Logitech brand items, and its all good.
If you have problems, with items bought from them, and they are inside the warranty time, I never had any problems getting replacements free of charge.
If items are outside warranty or you have been careless or accidentally broken the items yourself, then you can usually get a new item of the same type directly from Logitech themselves with an incredible 50% discount.

I had a set of old 5.1 speakers where the audio cable from the speakers to the computer was missing, so I contacted Logitech support ad asked if they had a replacement.
Since the speakers in question was no longer in production, they did not have any replacement cables for them, instead they offered me the 50% discount for a brand new set of speakers, no questions asked.

Same with a wireless headset I had that was Logitech brand.
I accidentally broke, I mean it physically broke, the receiver for the headset.
They could not replace the receiver because this particular type of headset is tied to that specific receiver, so even if I could get a new receiver I would not be able to connect the headset to it, I tried and it didnt work..
When I contested customer support they told me this and offered me a 50% discount on a new headset so I just bought a new one of the one I had before.

Also the customer support department are very friendly and helpful when you have problems with their products.
The 50% discount is something they call a loyal customer discount or something like that, and when you contact support they as you for the "part number" and "serial number" both which can be found on the back/bottom of your Logitech products and they offer you the discount.

You simply cant go wrong with Logitech, thats my honest opinion, and I use Logitech whenever I can.
My experience is that Logitech offers good quality, good service and products at affordable prices.


Next a comment on the Saitek X52 Flight Stick:

I have the stick myself and have used it so I speak from experience.
Its a good stick for use with flight sims, but for mechwarrior I feel its coming up short.
Its difficult to keep the aim steady, and I also had problems with the calibration.
There have been times when I released the stick, yet the signal never reached the computer, so the mech I was piloting kept turning in the direction I had the stick before releasing it.
I had to exit the game, then physically disconnect and then reconnect the stick to get it working properly again, something that seemed to happen quite frequently

The Throttle controller have an adjustable tightness.
There is a button on the side you can use to adjust how tight or how loose you want the throttle controller to be. Very useful if you need to quickly throttle up or down.


Last some questions regarding the Razer Artemis controller:

I understand you dont know much about this thing but was wondering if you could answer a couple questions.

1. Do you know if this controller are commercially available yet, or if its still in the developments/testing stages?

2. I tried finding some more information on the controller, but have had a hard time finding any, so was wondering if you know where I can find some more information about it?

It looks damn good, and if it is indeed created with the mechwarrior games in mind as you yourself speculate about and even half as good as it looks, then it could maybe even revolutionize the way we play these kinds of games, and if thats the case then I want it.

Edited by Dragonlord, 08 July 2012 - 11:43 AM.

[TimberJon]

I have one or two Antec cases and at least a few enterprise level WD Velociraptors (150gb) that I am willing to donate. I will post specifics as requested. Just tell me where to ship.

Oh yea, I will also be trying to get rid of the 16gb of corsair memory listed in my current build in my sig. Just got some ripjaws to replace em but havn't installed them yet.

Edited by TimberJon, 08 July 2012 - 12:03 PM.

[Mason Grimm]

Pinning this.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

http://www.techpower...P10_850W/1.html

Putting this one in here, not available on the US market at this time but will be in the future, available in Europe only at the moment much like their first class CPU coolers.

[Shivus]

Kumakichi, on 01 July 2012 - 06:57 AM, said:

Also watch out for sub $100 boards. Yes they are very cheap. But do your homework. Some of those cheap boards have many issues and take a lot of effort to get sorted. My board I simply put the components in and it fired right up. And I like to overclock and that is wonderfully simple with this board bios.

After doing some looking, the suggested pro 3 looks to be a solid board for under $100. Which is good, because it keeps my 2500k upgrade to under $400 before tax/shipping, though just barely. Typically I've tried to stay in the $130-$150 range for reliability reasons, but this looks great for the price.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Vulpesveritas, on 22 June 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

No, MCI will die, sprint will be absorbed by Verizon, and T-mobile will absob Orange and stay terra-only.

Other way around, Orange purchased T-Mobile already and are most of the way through their merger into Everything Everywhere

[Aftermath]

Great reviews on joysticks. I'm going to dust off my old Microsoft Sidewinder

[Inmora]

The only problem I had with the X52 from Saitek, was that it felt to loose to me, now I had 2 of them, just the joystick itself felt loose and took nothing to push over. I wish there was a way to tighten the stick down to allow more resistance.

Dont get me wrong I loved that set up, but with out tightening the resistance down is what finally turned me off on it. I would love to try the PRO but I am afraid it will be the same.

[Evaccaneer]

Great guide, Thomas! Thank you for taking you time to write such detailed descriptions.

I own a X-52 Pro and I'm quite certain I'll be using it with MWO. The stick does feel a bit... lighter than it should be, but still delivers good precision and sensibility -- but I agree the buttons could be better. Anyway, if MWO plays like MW4, then I'll probably have no problems adapting to the new gameplay.

[Bonefreak11]

So, has it been confirmed that the X52 will work with this game? Software's a little finnicky. Can't get it to work right with MW4. I input all the commands but all I can do with it right now is maneuver and none of the commands I put in work. Startin to get a little frustrating honestly. Especially cause it worked just fine for MW4 on my old computer. I'd hate to have to go out and get a whole new HOTAS just cause the software hates me or it's incompatible.

Edited by Bonefreak11, 09 July 2012 - 04:05 PM.

[Blood Crow]

Looks like you prefer AMD processors over Intel. I'm more or less illiterate when it comes to computer hardware so would you be willing to provide me with an explanation as to the pros and cons of each? I'm looking at building something in the ~$900 price range and I've been at odds over which brand of processor to choose.

[Vulpesveritas]

Blood Crow, on 10 July 2012 - 01:08 AM, said:

Looks like you prefer AMD processors over Intel. I'm more or less illiterate when it comes to computer hardware so would you be willing to provide me with an explanation as to the pros and cons of each? I'm looking at building something in the ~$900 price range and I've been at odds over which brand of processor to choose.

AMD processor Sub $200; Better multithread (multitasking and modern games) performance, overclocking, more upgrades to the motherboard, better motherboard chipset overall with 990FX.
Intel processor Sub $200; Better single thread (older or poorly coded applications), lower power consumption, better RAM controller, PCI-e 3.0 on Z77 chipset.

In gaming as well, you're generally best putting more money to the graphics card, and with AMD having strong quad cores (and hexacores) sub $200, (with the hexacores matching an Intel i5 in multithread performance while being $50-80 cheaper depending on which i5 we're talking about, plus overclocking at that price) and with applications becoming more and more multithreaded, as well as the better upgrading options on AMD, it is really a no brainier for a low budget rig for a gamer who will do upgrades over time, given how AMD tends to keep a motherboard socket for a number of years, and with the 990FX chipset supporting dual lane PCI-e 2 x16 bandwidth, it allows for multi GPU configs over time as well. And with the lower overall cost of an AMD system vs an Intel based one with the same overall computing power, more $$$ can go to your graphics, which will improve your gaming experience.

Unfortunately, AMD has nothing to compete in the high end, but for a gamer on a budget, AMD is, at least in my opinion, the way to go.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 10 July 2012 - 01:31 AM.

[Blood Crow]

So basically the driving factor in the decision to go AMD would be comparable power for a lower price in low-mid range systems?

A friend helped me start putting something together with an Intel CPU and I got this far with it: http://secure.newegg...Number=14584269

Do you think going AMD instead and starting over would be a better choice for something around this price?

[NVranya]

I've already created a seperate topic, but perhaps this is the better place to ask.


Can anyone confirm or deny if MWO has multi-usb support?
I just saw the MFD Cougar Pack (pic) and was wondering if I could use that in combination with a joystick in MWO.

[Vulpesveritas]

Blood Crow, on 10 July 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

So basically the driving factor in the decision to go AMD would be comparable power for a lower price in low-mid range systems?

A friend helped me start putting something together with an Intel CPU and I got this far with it: http://secure.newegg...Number=14584269

Do you think going AMD instead and starting over would be a better choice for something around this price?

Far better. Your GPU is far, far sub-par for a gaming rig. Your CPU really won't have much of an effect in games unless you are a heavy RTS player.
Also, stay far away from OCZ SSDs, they have the highest failure rate of any SSD brand.
RAM wise you're overpaying.
I'll PM you my suggested build.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Vulpesveritas, on 10 July 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

Far better. Your GPU is far, far sub-par for a gaming rig. Your CPU really won't have much of an effect in games unless you are a heavy RTS player.
Also, stay far away from OCZ SSDs, they have the highest failure rate of any SSD brand.
RAM wise you're overpaying.
I'll PM you my suggested build.

I wouldn't necessarily agree he's vastly overpaying on RAM and the Motherboard which are savings enough, i also would not be looking for a SSD in the initial build of a $900 PC (that can come later).
And your going to suggest one of those horrible FX 4100/6200 chips

Something like this is workable.

CPU
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116506

Mobo
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813128543

PSU
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817151098

RAM
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231428

HDD
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822148697

GPU
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814127688

ODD
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827135204

Insert Vulps standard cheap case from one of the other zillions of threads. and the total was just shy of $900.
And that will play anything you throw at it.

Goodies like a SSD drive can come in later when you can afford a decent one from Samsung or Crucial.

Edited by DV McKenna, 10 July 2012 - 02:06 AM.

[Vulpesveritas]

DV McKenna, on 10 July 2012 - 02:03 AM, said:

I wouldn't necessarily agree he's vastly overpaying on RAM and the Motherboard which are savings enough, i also would not be looking for a SSD in the initial build of a $900 PC (that can come later).
And your going to suggest one of those horrible FX 4100/6200 chips

Something like this is workable.

CPU
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116506

Mobo
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813128543

PSU
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817151098

RAM
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231428

HDD
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822148697

GPU
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814127688

ODD
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827135204

Insert Vulps standard cheap case from one of the other zillions of threads. and the total was just shy of $900.
And that will play anything you throw at it.

Goodies like a SSD drive can come in later when you can afford a decent one from Samsung or Crucial.

Now, how is the FX-6200 a horrible CPU when it is on par with an i5 in multithread exactly? I know everyone hates on the bulldozer architecture and AMD's poor implementation of marketing, but I feel it is still wrong to say their all horrible just because of that.
As an FYI, I was able to fit a better motherboard, PSU, RAM, an OC'd 7870, AND an option of a Mushkin Sandforce w/ sync NAND, or a Crucial M4, for that $900 budget. Though an HDD might be a better option for him, I don't know other than he asked for an SSD.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 10 July 2012 - 02:11 AM.