35 replies to this topic

[SpiralRazor]

I would have to agree...the K is supposed to be the advanced model, and the Draconis combine model can do something else with the command consoles

[Belorion]

The D-DC is the one that comes with a command console which is closer to being information warfare than what the K comes with.

The D(C) will have it most likely. If they ever come out with that one.

[MrPenguin]

Budor, on 15 December 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

ECM should be on the COM-1B, RVN-4X, CDA 3C (3M is ok though), AS7-K for balancing reasons,

This is what a troll post looks like.

Edited by MrPenguin, 15 December 2012 - 01:53 PM.

[MadPanda]

It wouldn't make sense to have it on the K. The K is already anti-lrm specialist with double AMS (let's pretend for a second AMS doesn't suck). Giving it also the ECM would pretty much nullify the specialty of the K which is double AMS. The K would then just be a one trick pony for the ECM, it's specialty would be gone. The DC is fine choice for the ECM. If you want to buff the K, then AMS should get a buff which would directly make K much better.

[TSB101]

Ghogiel, on 15 December 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

I much prefer the ECM on my D-DC. I don't like the K.

Right, so does EVERYONE. That is a problem.

MadPanda, on 15 December 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

It wouldn't make sense to have it on the K. The K is already anti-lrm specialist with double AMS (let's pretend for a second AMS doesn't suck). Giving it also the ECM would pretty much nullify the specialty of the K which is double AMS. The K would then just be a one trick pony for the ECM, it's specialty would be gone. The DC is fine choice for the ECM. If you want to buff the K, then AMS should get a buff which would directly make K much better.

But why is the D-DC a "fine" choice for ECM? Because it was already the best Atlas? You suggest the K variant is the "anti-LRM" variant and in the same sentence concede that double AMS sucks. So I say again, why not give the K variant ECM?

Please, unless I have misunderstood you, your points were as follows:

- Don't give the K variant ECM because it is anti-LRM with dual AMS
- Dual AMS is near useless (Only thing we agree on)
- Therefor, the D-DC is a fine choice


Did I get that right?

Now you say the K with ECM will just be a "one trick pony". As opposed to what it is now, a "zero trick pony"? If you TRULY believe the K's role is anti-LRM (I would not pigeon-hole it into such a small niche) would ECM not make it actually perform this role effectively? You seem to think that since the D-DC is the best, it should have ECM and since the K is the worst it should not. Please, help me out here.

Look, the fact is the decision to grant the D-DC ECM means that, as a player trying to WIN, if I chose any variant of the Atlas that is NOT the D-DC, then I am leaving A LOT on the table. I feel that PGI should address this concern by removing ECM capability from the D-DC and giving it to the K.

I can honestly say Mechwarrior Online would be a BETTER game if this change was made. And as of yet, I have not seen a single argument that would lead me to ANY other conclusion.

*EDIT*

And I just wanted to say for the record:

In the ten days since I started this topic I only feel stronger about taking away ECM from the D-DC. And judging by the number of them I've seen stomping around the battlefield lately, it has come very apparent to a great many Mechwarriors just how much better it is than the other variants.

Also, I realize this is a bit of a late request but can this thread be moved into the Suggestions area? No idea why I made it in General Discussion. >.<

Edited by TSB101, 25 December 2012 - 01:50 AM.

[MustrumRidcully]

It seems pointless to have an ECM mech that has 2 AMS slots.

Can't we buff it in some other way? How about an additional weapon slot somewhere, say a side torso energy slot or a head-mounted weapon? Or maybe raise its torso twist range?

[Ghogiel]

TSB101, on 25 December 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

Right, so does EVERYONE. That is a problem.

A problem for you maybe..

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

If they aren't going to properly balance the ECM and its impact on other variants that can't use it, then yes, putting it on the K variant would have made more sense. But as it stands now, the K is useless. Only the worst of newbs would take a second AMS+less weapons over an ECM.

[Thirdstar]

I think saying that a certain Atlas is best is very very subjective. But yes, the K is quite inferior.

[Ghogiel]

I used to buy the K later in the closed beta after every wipe, take the 300XL out.
Sell it.
Buy a swayback and boat small lasers.

Was about all it was good for.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Ghogiel, on 25 December 2012 - 04:56 AM, said:

I used to buy the K later in the closed beta after every wipe, take the 300XL out.
Sell it.
Buy a swayback and boat small lasers.

Was about all it was good for.

Lol, I forgot all about that trick everyone used to do for the engine. But they made sure to fix that later because they realized no one wanted that trash variant for actual playing. Also, unlike other trash variants like the 2X or 4X Ravens, it doesn't eveb get picked for talent building since it's worst out of 4. It also costs a lot more. Hey, how would you like to have this trash, and pay an extra 3-4M for it too? It gets better though, the Stalker has a variant with 2 AMS on it and doesn't sacrifice any weapons, making it a much more logical pick for dual AMS'.(Assuming you, for some reason, ever wanted 2) So they basically buried it, buried it again, then buried it again. They're just digging that hole deeper and deeper for the poor old obsolete K.

[5th Fedcom Rat]

ECM shouldn't be on ANY atlas IMO. Just play a few 8-man games to see why. Heaviest mech that mounts it for now should be the cicada IMO.

[Thirdstar]

5th Fedcom Rat, on 25 December 2012 - 05:09 AM, said:

ECM shouldn't be on ANY atlas IMO. Just play a few 8-man games to see why. Heaviest mech that mounts it for now should be the cicada IMO.

I must say I wouldn't really mind this. And I say that as a D-DC pilot.

[Biruke]

hands off the D-DC

[Rigiroth]

While it pains me to agree because I personally hate the K and wouldn't pilot one even for ECM, it does need a buff. Adding ECM to it and making the missile port on it a ten instead of a 5 would work wonders.

[Grisnir]

MustrumRidcully, on 25 December 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

It seems pointless to have an ECM mech that has 2 AMS slots.

Can't we buff it in some other way? How about an additional weapon slot somewhere, say a side torso energy slot or a head-mounted weapon? Or maybe raise its torso twist range?

oh i take a second missile hardpoint, it would bring the K in one line with Atlas D and maybe 2 more laser hardpoints in the arms but that would be probably OP