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[random51]

ECM is fine. If you're not willing to counter it then you should stick to LoS weaponry.

Seems pretty simple to me.

People complaining that ECM variants aren't balanced need to realize that there is no point in having multiple mechs if you're going to make them perform exactly the same in every scenario. This isn't IROC.


disclaimer: My two favorite mechs before ECM were Raven 3L and Atlas D-DC. They're even better now, although I tend to get focused far more often than previously, which requires more cautious play.

Edited by random51, 16 December 2012 - 11:03 AM.

[LoneUnknown]

I can't help but find a great deal of irony with the "I aint got no problem with ECM cause I've got aiming skills" crowd.

ECM.... which disrupts and nullifies ALL enemy targeting, radar, LRMs, SSRMs, making them blind and unable to shoot back or coordinate effectively... all of the time, with no active player "skill" involved besides standing in the general vicinity of the opposing team, and freeing up 1.5 tons on their mech.

ECM has as much to do with skill as does fishing in a pool with dynamite, yet it has such a profound impact on the field.


I can't help but feel that the "ECM is fine" crowd are like the common denominator IQ types that comprise the majority of the population.

People with a brain and who can see the bigger picture realize what a load of garbage it is.

Hey ECM lovers, heres my challenge... load up any commando besides the 2D and drop into some PUGs without your buddies. Come back here and report how awesome and skilled you are, and how ECM doesn't impede you one bit.

I'll be waiting for anyone with the balls to fess up on the matter.

[Livewyr]

LRMs were fine, if you're not willing to counter, then you should stick to cover.

Moron.

[random51]

LoneUnknown, on 16 December 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

Hey ECM lovers, heres my challenge... load up any commando besides the 2D and drop into some PUGs without your buddies. Come back here and report how awesome and skilled you are, and how ECM doesn't impede you one bit.

I'll be waiting for anyone with the balls to fess up on the matter.

Brains > balls. There was no point in playing the Commando before ECM. There still isn't when you can drive a raven instead.

Keep trying to insult the intelligence of the players smart enough to adapt to a changing field of battle while you sit there crying that things aren't the way they used to be. Who is the dumb one now?

Edited by random51, 16 December 2012 - 11:15 AM.

[Livewyr]

ECM streakmando is the only commando I see.

[siLve00]

after 4 weeks i gave MW:O another shot.. just to test it..
10 matches =

3 bugs
2x 6vs8 because of disco
4x baserush wins ( not a single shot were fired )
1x a normal match.. oh wait did i mention that there were 4 lights on each side ripping appart the heavys just to tie the match ?

have fun with MW:O and a non missle game MW:O is a joke.. lol

[Gaeb]

LoneUnknown, on 16 December 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

I can't help but find a great deal of irony with the "I aint got no problem with ECM cause I've got aiming skills" crowd.

I can't help but feel that the "ECM is fine" crowd are like the common denominator IQ types that comprise the majority of the population.

People with a brain and who can see the bigger picture realize what a load of garbage it is.

Gee. I'm fairly well tested as a top end brain, so I suppose I should take offense, but its so much projection I just can't help but laugh. Calm down, Cassiopeia.

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Hey ECM lovers, heres my challenge... load up any commando besides the 2D and drop into some PUGs without your buddies. Come back here and report how awesome and skilled you are, and how ECM doesn't impede you one bit.

I'll be waiting for anyone with the balls to fess up on the matter.

Loaded up my COM-3A (mpulse, sl, srm4, xl200, no upgrades) and dropped into some pugs (I need more elite lights anyhow). First was a loss, 2 assists, our side 1 ECM theirs 3. No ECM didn't impede me. Being streak bait was frustrating, but frankly a commando's made of paper - a good salvo by anything kills me even on the 2D commando. Second was a win, our side 0 ECM theirs 2, lived 1-5. Killed their SRM6 cat, wrecked their atlas, legged their ECM cicada.

Anyhoo. Whine on!

Edited by Gaeb, 16 December 2012 - 11:21 AM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

woo ecm fanboi unite thread lol the same handful of ecm lovers representing here and saying everyone else are the vocal minority? lol

[LoneUnknown]

Gaeb, on 16 December 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

Gee. I'm fairly well tested as a top end brain,
dropped into some pugs
First was a loss
Second was a win
Whine on!

It would seem that even with your superior intellect you never learned statistical analysis skills.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Livewyr, on 16 December 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

LRMs were fine, if you're not willing to counter, then you should stick to cover.

Moron.

its easier to whine to devs on the forums and have them break the weapons than learn to counter them. As we're seeing with ecm now

because the devs here go to pieces in the face of forum whine so fast people get killed by the shrapnel.

Its bad when gaming companies ignore things in their games and ignore what their players say but apparently its WORSE when they give in to them at every turn like we see here

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 16 December 2012 - 11:42 AM.

[Gaeb]

LoneUnknown, on 16 December 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

It would seem that even with your superior intellect you never learned statistical analysis skills.

Actually I did and its part of my job today. Thing is, I don't have access to the backend to datamine the impact of ECM, which I assume the Devs are doing. So I in response to the teenager's "man up" challenge, I do so and drop without ECM in a light and have fun, still contributing to my team. Working as intended!!! *gasp*

ECM will get tweaked as they add more content and balance, but all the crying (omg the crying) is ridiculous. Its beta.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Gaeb, on 16 December 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

ECM will get tweaked as they add more content and balance, but all the crying (omg the crying) is ridiculous. Its beta.

yeah but when youre a player whose only interest in the game is LRM support you gotta see a problem there.
IF you can be open minded enough to see it that it

[Gaeb]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 16 December 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

yeah but when youre a player whose only interest in the game is LRM support you gotta see a problem there.
IF you can be open minded enough to see it that it

Tag going to 750m next patch. Not only do I see that, I see an upcoming buff. *gasp*

[Thorn Hallis]

Only the caregirls have probs with ECM.

[LoneUnknown]

Gaeb, on 16 December 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Its beta.

Yup, and as such, it is reasonable that mistakes will be made, and players must be vocal so that the mistakes do not persist to damage the game.

ECM in its current implementation is a mistake. Your very adolescent dismissal of people speaking out against this mistake, by calling it "crying", is an affront to free thinkers and anyone who respects peoples right to voice an opinion on something they are passionate about, as well as general personal sovereignty.

So, even with your superior intellect, your thinking skills seem on par with the average xbox live gamer. Way to go.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Gaeb, on 16 December 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Tag going to 750m next patch. Not only do I see that, I see an upcoming buff. *gasp*

so thats a no on backing up off the trolling long enough to see the problem? Yeah didnt think you would.

LoneUnknown, on 16 December 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

Yup, and as such, it is reasonable that mistakes will be made, and players must be vocal so that the mistakes do not persist to damage the game.

ECM in its current implementation is a mistake. Your very adolescent dismissal of people speaking out against this mistake, by calling it "crying", is an affront to free thinkers and anyone who respects peoples right to voice an opinion on something they are passionate about, as well as general personal sovereignty.

So, even with your superior intellect, your thinking skills seem on par with the average xbox live gamer. Way to go.

yes. Its beta so shut the hell up and dont make waves. It may be beta but the game is perfect already eh?

[Revorn]

Nice Troll Thread, but too easy to recon. imho

[Gaeb]

LoneUnknown, on 16 December 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

ECM in its current implementation is a mistake.

Lol. Lemme counter your key statement here: ECM in its current implementation is a start.

I call it crying because it is. "Oh Devs your UNFINISHED PRODUCT has TOTALLY BROKEN MY PREFERRED STYLE OF PLAY and I for one am UP IN ARMS because of MY INNATE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT" There. That's you.

Me? "Gee, EW needs tweaking, but I really like that they added it. Looking forward to more content. Game hardly unplayable." If you want a short list of what needs fixing, I would rate lights above ECM. If knockdown was in, if armor wasn't doubled, if lights didn't get massive advantages from the upgrades (endo/dhs/xl) that heavier mechs didn't, the crying would be far less because lights would be what they should be - very risky to pilot anywhere near heavies and assaults. Oh right, and netcode.

So in short, I'm content to let PGI continue to balance the game, and I don't take their first real step into EW as the end state. Quit. Crying. Jesus.

Edited by Gaeb, 16 December 2012 - 12:03 PM.

[soarra]

ecm is fine netcode needs fixed.. Lets not nerf any weapons or systems until the lagsheilds are gone and net code up to par.

[LoneUnknown]

Gaeb, on 16 December 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

I call it crying because it is. "Oh Devs your UNFINISHED PRODUCT has TOTALLY BROKEN MY PREFERRED STYLE OF PLAY and I for one am UP IN ARMS because of MY INNATE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT" There. That's you.

It is? The evidence is clear that I have stated nothing of the sort.

Gaeb, on 16 December 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

Quit. Crying. Jesus.

The entirety of your argument and of your point of view is more telling of an angry and impatient know-it-all then it is of a top brain statistical analyst.

People who want the game to succeed and are much smarter then you are seeing the flaws with this design.

How about you stop throwing a tantrum and trying to censor them. You are not the thought police.