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[Gaeb]

LoneUnknown, on 16 December 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

The entirety of your argument and of your point of view is more telling of an angry and impatient know-it-all then it is of a top brain statistical analyst.

Wait a sec brainiac, how am I the impatient one? I'm telling people to calm down, ECM is fine, let the devs do their job. I'm saying to accept beta is beta and things will change. Incidentally I'm not a statistician, my job just happens to require that when you propose a hypothesis you back it up with predictive modeling and sound data analysis before people go making multi-million dollar decisions off of it.

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People who want the game to succeed and are much smarter then you are seeing the flaws with this design.

Gotta highly doubt that 'much smarter' quote. Also, it doesn't really take intelligence to identify flaws - it does to fix them. Are you fixing them? No. You're whining. You know one of the great points made to me about small business and entrepreneurship? 90% of success is endurance. Having a great idea isn't hard - making it a reality is! So I can accept that the Devs are partway through a development cycle that honestly probably won't get to a good state till 6 months after launch, and play within the confines of it. Can you?

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How about you stop throwing a tantrum and trying to censor them. You are not the thought police.

If only I were the thought police. *happy smile*

Edit: Incidentally, I'm actually not the one trying to censor them - the mods are. Have you not been paying attention to all ECM threads being closed and directed to the ECM feedback thread? Go whine there.

Edited by Gaeb, 16 December 2012 - 12:18 PM.

[LoneUnknown]

The more you whine about people whining, the more epic your fail becomes.

Gaeb, on 16 December 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

If only I were the thought police. *happy smile*

This line right here speaks volumes about your character.

If *I* were the thought police, I would have stopped your parents the moment they thought about ******* each other.

Edited by LoneUnknown, 16 December 2012 - 12:22 PM.

[Gaeb]

LoneUnknown, on 16 December 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

The more you whine about people whining, the more epic your fail becomes.

Mhmm. Cry more.

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If *I* were the thought police, I would have stopped your parents the moment they though about ******* each other.

Oh good, was wondering when you'd give up on discussion and just go straight ad hominem No worries, kiddo. Take a break, the game will continue to evolve.

[LoneUnknown]

Gaeb, on 16 December 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

Mhmm. Cry more.


Oh good, was wondering when you'd give up on discussion and just go straight ad hominem No worries, kiddo. Take a break, the game will continue to evolve.

There is no discussion to be had.

The summation of your stance is that "everyone is a crybaby and needs to stop being a stupid crybaby because I am smarter then them and the game is perfect"

Not much here to discuss besides the flaws in your thinking really, and nothing to be gained from it, so pardon me that I choose not to counter every stupid point you bring to the table.

You seem to have a lot to prove, but you shouldn't be claiming a victory here when there are better ways to spend my time.

Of all people, someone who allegedly is a top brain juggling multi-milllion dollar deals should recognize this.

[Gaeb]

LoneUnknown, on 16 December 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

There is no discussion to be had.

The summation of your stance is that "everyone is a crybaby and needs to stop being a stupid crybaby because I am smarter then them and the game is perfect"

Actually my little princess, you were the one that brought intellect into the conversation when you said only morons must think ECM is fine. So very sorry to not fit the stereotype. I also never said the game was perfect (roflmao) I said it was beta, and not to freak out about a work in progress implementation of electronic warfare. IE: Stop crying.

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Not much here to discuss besides the flaws in your thinking really, and nothing to be gained from it, so pardon me that I choose not to counter every stupid point you bring to the table.

You haven't made an attempt to counter the points I've brought to the table. I like to think its because you're incapable, but who knows.

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You seem to have a lot to prove, but you shouldn't be claiming a victory here when there are better ways to spend my time. Of all people, someone who allegedly is a top brain juggling multi-milllion dollar deals should recognize this.

Goodness, now you're going to tell me how I should spend my Sunday? Who's the thought police now? I admit I'm getting more enjoyment out of counter-trolling morons than I thought I would, haven't done this since early WoW.

[LoneUnknown]

Gaeb, on 16 December 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

Actually my little princess,

I think he's coming on to me... now it all makes sense.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

lone; youre arguing against a fanboi troll. the two worst forum denizens to feed. Best just ignore and leave him to his delusions.

[Gaeb]

LoneUnknown, on 16 December 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

I think he's coming on to me... now it all makes sense.

Hey, if that's how you choose to rationalize your way out of a lost argument, by all means.

[Odins Fist]

Unstruck Fury, on 16 December 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Am I The Only One Around Here Who Has Absolutely No Problem With Ecm?

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No you are "NOT" alone... There are simply too many pilots with (2 dimensional thinking), even with the limited amount of maps , and the limited choices of tactics, if a pilot doesn't know the maps by now, then it is simply too late for them to change their mindset and poor pilot habits they learned from "EASY MODE"..
That is a big part of the complaints, the other are "TRIAL" mech users/newcomers that haven't figured MWO out yet. The rest of us seem to have no problems with "ECM".
It's not as if the "ONE MISSILE BOAT" to rule them all is still the dominate force on the battlefield, and that is killing pilots that learned such poor piloting skills, and some of them are just foaming at the mouth because of the revocation of their "EASY MODE", kind of like the LRM hotfix that balanced out LRMs quite nicely, and literally saved MWO, because "TRIAL MECHS" couldn't mount "AMS", and were nothing more than cannon fodder.
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I have "ABSOLUTELY" no issue running against Mechs that use "ECM", I have "NEVER" ran "ECM" on any Mech that I own, and still I have no issues fighting against it... This is not a L2P response by any means, but those that cannot adapt are doomed, and they know it, they are just mad..

Edited by Odins Fist, 16 December 2012 - 12:39 PM.

[Gaeb]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 16 December 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

lone; youre arguing against a fanboi troll. the two worst forum denizens to feed. Best just ignore and leave him to his delusions.

Eh, not really a fanboi, I just loathe stupidity and hyperbole.

[LoneUnknown]

Gaeb, on 16 December 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

You haven't made an attempt to counter the points I've brought to the table. I like to think its because you're incapable, but who knows.

When one attempts an intellectual conversation with a monkey, and said monkey begins flinging feces in your general direction, it is reasonable to not bother attempting to converse with the monkey any longer, is it not?

You have not provided one solid point regarding the validity of ECM in its current state and have instead dwelled upon non-issues such as player skill, crying, and trying to defend your intelligence (poorly, I might add).

You've brought nothing to the table worthy of discussion other then some mild entertainment for me and our viewers.

Good day.

[Gaeb]

LoneUnknown, on 16 December 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

When one attempts an intellectual conversation with a monkey, and said monkey begins flinging feces in your general direction, it is reasonable to not bother attempting to converse with the monkey any longer, is it not?

You have not provided one solid point regarding the validity of ECM in its current state and have instead dwelled upon non-issues such as player skill, crying, and trying to defend your intelligence (poorly, I might add).

You've brought nothing to the table worthy of discussion other then some mild entertainment for me and our viewers.

Good day.

These are fun. Let me try:

You've come to a thread where most people seem to think ECM in its current state is fine. You've complained incessantly about it and suggested only low-IQ individuals can possibly think ECM is fine. You put up a challenge which was met by a high-IQ individual who stated ECM was fine. You've ignored comments about beta, development, warfare etc to continue crying "ITS BROKEN". You've delved into attacks because actually having a reasonable discussion would require admitting that you have no control over development, that any suggestions on ECM balance belong in a different thread, and because you're tired of having your *** kicked.

In short, you've made the Ravens-Bronco's game way more entertaining. I thank you for it. Come back anytime, princess.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Where did they put the forum ignore feature anyways?
cant find it anymore

[Odins Fist]

LoneUnknown, on 16 December 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

When one attempts an intellectual conversation with a monkey, and said monkey begins flinging feces in your general direction, it is reasonable to not bother attempting to converse with the monkey any longer, is it not?

You have not provided one solid point regarding the validity of ECM in its current state and have instead dwelled upon non-issues such as player skill, crying, and trying to defend your intelligence (poorly, I might add).

You've brought nothing to the table worthy of discussion other then some mild entertainment for me and our viewers.

Good day.

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There are simply too many pilots with (2 dimensional thinking), even with the limited amount of maps , and the limited choices of tactics, if a pilot doesn't know the maps by now, then it is simply too late for them to change their mindset and poor pilot habits they learned from "EASY MODE"..
That is a big part of the complaints, the other are "TRIAL" mech users/newcomers that haven't figured MWO out yet. The rest of us seem to have no problems with "ECM".
It's not as if the "ONE MISSILE BOAT" to rule them all is still the dominate force on the battlefield, and that is killing pilots that learned such poor piloting skills, and some of them are just foaming at the mouth because of the revocation of their "EASY MODE", kind of like the LRM hotfix that balanced out LRMs quite nicely, and literally saved MWO, because "TRIAL MECHS" couldn't mount "AMS", and were nothing more than cannon fodder.
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I have "ABSOLUTELY" no issue running against Mechs that use "ECM", I have "NEVER" ran "ECM" on any Mech that I own, and still I have no issues fighting against it... This is not a L2P response by any means, but those that cannot adapt are doomed, and they know it, they are just mad..
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As the kids say these days... U-Mad, bro..??
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[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Odins Fist, on 16 December 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

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repost

You really feel the need to break the forum rules and repost this again?
might as well; dont think there are any mods on on the wekends

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 16 December 2012 - 12:56 PM.

[AlexWildeagle]

Unstruck Fury, on 16 December 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

No really, I have been against teams that have 3-4 ECM's on their team and still have come out winning just fine with my team of 4 (including me) who do not even use ECM. I myself have never even touched ECM. I dont even have a mech that can equip it.

It has almost 0 effect on me and my teammates. It's called situational awareness, learn to use your eyes and not only rely on a mini-map. If you are in a group communicate. Even if you are in a pug which I do often, its still not that much of a hindrance.

I come from heavy playing of Battlefield 3, CoD, Halo, CSS and so on, all of which you rely heavily on your mini-map. Which is where im guessing most the players who are complaining about it are coming from. These are players who heavily rely on their mini map. Learn to change. Seriously, ECM is not overpowered even if the entire enemy team has it.

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I don't get it, I do a ton of pugging also without groups, still dont have a problem with it. Even if we lose Ill usually end up near the top of the list and our loss is usually from being a PUG and lack of communication, not because the other team had more ECM.

People, ECM is perfectly fine. Does anybody agree with me?

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Communication is why your losing, not ECM. (ECM is just the new excuse)

If you are in a PUG vs PUG it should be as simple as typing. Just a little type work like "Stick together", "Push" or w/e will win a match in a PUG vs PUG along with some situational awareness.

If you are in a PUG vs Pre-made then your loss is not because of ECM its because they have a better platform to communicate on. However, PUGS look at it as "they had more ECM so they won" not the fact that the soul reason they won was because of better communicational ability.

If you are in a Pre-made vs Pre-made then it just comes down to communication + skill. How well can your team communicate and work together compared to the other team. You also should have a little situational awareness.

Agree with you 100%. Of course I only PUG but still don't see any issue with ECM. I don't use it personally as I run heavy.

[Budor]

2326 PUG drops since open beta started. ECM is fine. LRMs are fine. SSRMs are fine.

Netcode+hitreg+lights is broken.

[Teralitha]

Unstruck Fury, on 16 December 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

No really, I have been against teams that have 3-4 ECM's on their team and still have come out winning just fine with my team of 4 (including me) who do not even use ECM. I myself have never even touched ECM. I dont even have a mech that can equip it.

It has almost 0 effect on me and my teammates. It's called situational awareness, learn to use your eyes and not only rely on a mini-map. If you are in a group communicate. Even if you are in a pug which I do often, its still not that much of a hindrance.

I come from heavy playing of Battlefield 3, CoD, Halo, CSS and so on, all of which you rely heavily on your mini-map. Which is where im guessing most the players who are complaining about it are coming from. These are players who heavily rely on their mini map. Learn to change. Seriously, ECM is not overpowered even if the entire enemy team has it.

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tl;dr

I don't get it, I do a ton of pugging also without groups, still dont have a problem with it. Even if we lose Ill usually end up near the top of the list and our loss is usually from being a PUG and lack of communication, not because the other team had more ECM.

People, ECM is perfectly fine. Does anybody agree with me?

_________________________________________________________
Communication is why your losing, not ECM. (ECM is just the new excuse)

If you are in a PUG vs PUG it should be as simple as typing. Just a little type work like "Stick together", "Push" or w/e will win a match in a PUG vs PUG along with some situational awareness.

If you are in a PUG vs Pre-made then your loss is not because of ECM its because they have a better platform to communicate on. However, PUGS look at it as "they had more ECM so they won" not the fact that the soul reason they won was because of better communicational ability.

If you are in a Pre-made vs Pre-made then it just comes down to communication + skill. How well can your team communicate and work together compared to the other team. You also should have a little situational awareness.

I have no problem using it, and winning matches with it or against it. It is 'working as they intended"
The problem... is that its not balanced in its currently intended workedness. The devs are looking at this from the other side of the glass my friends... And in no way do I "intend" that to sound good.

[Odins Fist]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 16 December 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

You really feel the need to break the forum rules and repost this again?
might as well; dont think there are any mods on on the wekends

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It's not Exactly a repost, look closer, you little Tattle Tail..
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Remember, "Snitches get Stitches"..!!!

Edited by Odins Fist, 16 December 2012 - 01:02 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Odins Fist, on 16 December 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

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It's not Exactly a repost, look closer, you little Tattle Tail..
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Remember, "Snitches get Stitches"..!!!

yeah... show that age