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[Stanton Langley]

Yes, this is another ECM thread.

There appears to be two main viewpoints on ECM--that it is gamebreaking or that it isn't. Personally I fall somewhere in between; I think ECM has a rather disproportionate impact on some styles of gameplay while others are far less affected.

My suggestion is to allow every chassis to mount ECM. For those that think it is gamebreaking, they can run their ECM in counter mode and have at least some defense against enemy ECMs regardless of the chassis they choose to pilot. Those that think it isn't gamebreaking can continue playing as they do now.

The disadvantage would be a greater diversity of mech builds that include ECM... The advantage would be that players can drive the mech they want to drive with or without ECM. So the trade-off of increased diversity (normally touted by the developers as a good thing) for increased player satisfaction (also frequently mentioned as a goal of the developers).

I'd also like to see a graph showing LRM/SSRM loadouts pre/post ECM going active. I have a feeling it would be a very telling graphic. Likewise use of the ECM-capable chassis pre/post ECM active. These requests are probably far below the notice of the development team, but it's worth a shot.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

yes, if its not as op/gamebreaking as people think it is let everyone use it then.

[Livewyr]

easier solution. get rid of radar, targeting, SSRMs, LRMs, range finders, the minimap, the battlemap..and we can all play super skills LOS thermal vision CoD.

[Elizander]

I really kinda thought ECM would just reduce the range at which the mounting mech is detected so that Ravens can hide while spotting the enemy team. Boy was I wrong.

[KuruptU4Fun]

This has been argued so many times before, as PGI has stated, It will go onto select mechs. Your thread is simply a moot one.

[Codejack]

I'd be fine with this, but the streakcat haters will never go for it.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Codejack, on 16 December 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

I'd be fine with this, but the streakcat haters will never go for it.

nor will anyone who thinks it's "fine" as is.

[Stanton Langley]

KuruptU4Fun, on 16 December 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

This has been argued so many times before, as PGI has stated, It will go onto select mechs. Your thread is simply a moot one.

Unfortunately you are correct; it has been stated numerous times that only select chassis will be allowed to mount ECM. I disagree that such official statements invalidate my thread; it seems to have at least started some sort of discussion. What's good for the goose...

Codejack, on 16 December 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

I'd be fine with this, but the streakcat haters will never go for it.

And it seems that the people that most hated streakcats (scout pilots) are the same ones running streak COMs with ECM now.

Edited by Stanton Langley, 16 December 2012 - 11:25 AM.

[KuruptU4Fun]

Stanton Langley, on 16 December 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

Unfortunately you are correct; it has been stated numerous times that only select chassis will be allowed to mount ECM. I disagree that such official statements invalidate my thread; it seems to have at least started some sort of discussion. What's good for the goose...

LOL, the only thing that's good for the goose is that it's not readily available for me to buy at any local supermarket.

[Revo13]

Worst idea, ever.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Revo13, on 16 December 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

Worst idea, ever.

Right because it would stop people from using only certain fotm mechs and fotm builds and promote REAL diversity; not that "op gear makes diversity" garbage the devs are talking

[Zylo]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 16 December 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Right because it would stop people from using only certain fotm mechs and fotm builds and promote REAL diversity; not that "op gear makes diversity" garbage the devs are talking

Real diversity as in A1 Streak cats with ECM everywhere?

[KuruptU4Fun]

If you state that one piece of equipment is OP, you feel it's a good idea to give it to other OP things like a StreakCat, an LRM boat, a Sniper mech or (my fave so far) an Awesome that mounted 6 Large Lasers?

[Fajther]

It might mean streak cats again. ... If you are willing to risk it. I am all for everybody getting to choose it. I have seen several all commando 2d lances as of late. it would help to break that up.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Zylo, on 16 December 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Real diversity as in A1 Streak cats with ECM everywhere?

you missed the sarcasm? I even put "garbage" right in the post

KuruptU4Fun, on 16 December 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

If you state that one piece of equipment is OP, you feel it's a good idea to give it to other OP things like a StreakCat, an LRM boat, a Sniper mech or (my fave so far) an Awesome that mounted 6 Large Lasers?

yup. make it more diverse in use. But that lrm boat would be completely useless ofc lol

Fajther, on 16 December 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

It might mean streak cats again. ... If you are willing to risk it. I am all for everybody getting to choose it. I have seen several all commando 2d lances as of late. it would help to break that up.

I still see streak cats in the game. ECM failed to stop these

[Zylo]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 16 December 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

you missed the sarcasm? I even put "garbage" right in the post



yup. make it more diverse in use. But that lrm boat would be completely useless ofc lol


I still see streak cats in the game. ECM failed to stop these

I'm just pointing out the most obvious build that would be used by combining recent "This is OP" complaints and the resulting lack of diversity.


I still see A1 Streak cats today. It's strange how many mysteriously disconnect before being killed when they run into any sort of ECM mech that picks them apart.

[KuruptU4Fun]

No, it makes it far more limiting in the ability to use tactics/strategy in game.

Yes you do still see them in game. But they either have to weed out the people who aren't using an ECM blanket for cover or rely on a teammate to jam the unknown amount of opposing ECM mechs trying to create the biggest blanket possible.

If you think for a minute. Everyone using ECM simply makes StreakCats and LRM boats as OP as you originally believe they were.

Edited by KuruptU4Fun, 16 December 2012 - 01:02 PM.

[Giorgio A Tsoukalos]

NO

[Elkarlo]

Would be the Same as removing ECM, with the difference that Trial Mechs would be even more useless then they are right now.

Personally i would say: Remove ECM, Bring the Counters online, reinstall ECM.

Would be the best solution. As a 6srm6 Cat covered by friendly ECM and the plopping in front of you at 50m is WORSE then Streak Cats had been, as you could fight them from 400+ Meters because you SAW them.

[PANZERBUNNY]

This move makes sense.

They did it with AMS and it was fine.

They could even make basic and advanced ECM, giving those dedicated ECM lore mechs slightly different ECM features.

Edited by PANZERBUNNY, 16 December 2012 - 01:15 PM.