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[p00k]

Bguk, on 16 December 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

And I can respect that. Again, some can wait, some can't. I created this as a response to the other thread.

Again, it's not about being unwilling to wait

It's about having waited, time and time again, only to be shown that the developers lack a sense of timing, have skewed priorities, of how much is too much and how much isn't enough, and oftentimes have no clue what's going on in the game.

It's not that the community is expecting a finished product from a beta even when they have all the reason to given official statements that open beta for a f2p title is in fact launch, with cash purchases and player progress being final. Well, maybe for some people. But for most, it's about seeing something lacking, as plain as day, and watching either nothing be done about it, or worse yet, watching something obviously wrong and misguided be done to make things worse.

[BrkDncr]

p00k, on 16 December 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

Again, it's not about being unwilling to wait

It's about having waited, time and time again, only to be shown that the developers lack a sense of timing, have skewed priorities, of how much is too much and how much isn't enough, and oftentimes have no clue what's going on in the game.

It's not that the community is expecting a finished product from a beta even when they have all the reason to given official statements that open beta for a f2p title is in fact launch, with cash purchases and player progress being final. Well, maybe for some people. But for most, it's about seeing something lacking, as plain as day, and watching either nothing be done about it, or worse yet, watching something obviously wrong and misguided be done to make things worse.

Go find a different game to play.

While I haven't done game development, I have done QA and I have moved products from a beta deployment similar to this one to active production environments. You're seeing features being added. ECM was a feature, it was added. You've seen cockpit and external customization added. You've seen significant problems in gameplay get fixed. Beyond all of that, you have more open discussion with the dev team than many other games.

So seriously, go away if all you are able to do is whine. You're negative attitude doesn't fix things, and it doesn't make the devs get your priorities fixed over there's. If you think you can do better, send your resume to PGI. Show them what experience you have and see if it's what they need to get the game fixed up and out the door.

I just took a look at your posts and your sig. The attitude your conveying is anger. Tone it down, be more helpful. Rather than attacking every change that comes across a patch, test those changes out from a completely unbiased point of view. One of your posts was complaining about how the ECM made LRM (boats) unusable. What you should have done is post up how you've tried every was possible to use the ECM and confirmed that it's working as expected.

[Zero Neutral]

Bguk, on 16 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Yeah, there are those who can wait. We can see this is a beta in our eyes. We can know that we enjoy what we're playing. We see there are those that don't enjoy it or can't wait. That's fine. To each their own. Are there problems? Sure. Show me one that doesn't and then I'll wake up. Keep plugging away as long as you're making money. How long will that be? Who knows. Me, I can wait.

Call me a fanboy or whatever it is the cool kids call a fan these days. If it helps you sleep at night I can take it.

I agree with this sentiment.

siLve00, on 16 December 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

for some1 who claims hes mature your acting like a little kid right now.. iam just honest.
the truth does hurt sometimes... i rather would like to play MW:O as to give it up... since iam realy a fanboi of MW.. but i just go back to TT ( that stupid smile were just for the mature guy )

Get over yourself.

[Harmatia]

If the person next to the person commenting likes something, it's almost automatic they'll hate on it just because the person next to them has virtually deemed it popular. It's sad, really. I wonder what year future historians will peg our society for lack of individualistic thought...

[Adrienne Vorton]

Bguk, on 16 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Yeah, there are those who can wait. We can see this is a beta in our eyes. We can know that we enjoy what we're playing. We see there are those that don't enjoy it or can't wait. That's fine. To each their own. Are there problems? Sure. Show me one that doesn't and then I'll wake up. Keep plugging away as long as you're making money. How long will that be? Who knows. Me, I can wait.

Call me a fanboy or whatever it is the cool kids call a fan these days. If it helps you sleep at night I can take it.

i always wonder since when the word "fan" is a bad thing... but as you said... to each their own...
i hope you have the tissues ready guys, crying will reach a whole new level tomorrow^^

[Accursed Richards]

BrkDncr, on 16 December 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

I just took a look at your posts and your sig. The attitude your conveying is anger. Tone it down, be more helpful. Rather than attacking every change that comes across a patch, test those changes out from a completely unbiased point of view. One of your posts was complaining about how the ECM made LRM (boats) unusable. What you should have done is post up how you've tried every was possible to use the ECM and confirmed that it's working as expected.

Pretty much this. Even if you have a valid point, shrieking and whooping won't get people to listen to them. It won't do anything except maybe give you a fleeting feeling of being superior to some guy on the internet.

[Sifright]

Adrienne Vorton, on 16 December 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

i always wonder since when the word "fan" is a bad thing... but as you said... to each their own...
i hope you have the tissues ready guys, crying will reach a whole new level tomorrow^^

It has always been a bad word.

Fans etmylogy comes from the word Fanatic, A person who follows an ideology or belief to such an extreme they lose perspective of anything else.

being a fan is by definition bad.

Once you are fanatical towards something it doesn't matter what flaws every one else perceives it to have because you will never be able to be cognizant of them.

This is the problem with fans of games. Paradoxically they are a cancer, because they will never be dissatisfied they shout down all criticisms whether they are valid or not. Positive sentiment is almost entirely useless in a refinement process, what this game needs is devs taking into account negative views and finding a way to curtail that without impinging on the positives to much ultimately though a negative impression will stay with people longer removing the negatives is of the utmost importance.

[Vassago Rain]

Sifright, on 17 December 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

It has always been a bad word.

Fans etmylogy comes from the word Fanatic, A person who follows an ideology or belief to such an extreme they lose perspective of anything else.

being a fan is by definition bad.

Once you are fanatical towards something it doesn't matter what flaws every one else perceives it to have because you will never be able to be cognizant of them.

This is the problem with fans of games. Paradoxically they are a cancer, because they will never be dissatisfied they shout down all criticisms whether they are valid or not. Positive sentiment is almost entirely useless in a refinement process, what this game needs is devs taking into account negative views and finding a way to curtail that without impinging on the positives to much ultimately though a negative impression will stay with people longer removing the negatives is of the utmost importance.

Content creators need to be wary of this.

[Shazarad]

Sifright, on 17 December 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

It has always been a bad word.

Fans etmylogy comes from the word Fanatic, A person who follows an ideology or belief to such an extreme they lose perspective of anything else.

being a fan is by definition bad.

Once you are fanatical towards something it doesn't matter what flaws every one else perceives it to have because you will never be able to be cognizant of them.

This is the problem with fans of games. Paradoxically they are a cancer, because they will never be dissatisfied they shout down all criticisms whether they are valid or not. Positive sentiment is almost entirely useless in a refinement process, what this game needs is devs taking into account negative views and finding a way to curtail that without impinging on the positives to much ultimately though a negative impression will stay with people longer removing the negatives is of the utmost importance.

What? You are the fan when it comes to negative posts and doom and gloom. Any positive person here is shot down and called a fan and has blind optimism etc...

[TwoFaced]

troll or fan, we need them both, I consider myself a moderate, I am in the middle, independant..yah

[JudgeDeathCZ]

p00k, on 16 December 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

and knowing the devs, next update will make ecm weigh 1 ton and take 1 crit, and if you press a secret key combination it instantly makes all the enemy mechs explode in place.

but it's balanced, because 10 months from now they'll add another code that the other team can type in first to stop your keyboard from transmitting

but that's balanced too because 5 years from now if the game is still around you can equip hats on your mechs

What?
I am not fanboi or smthing...but...but can I have some that material you use?

[Sifright]

Shazarad, on 17 December 2012 - 01:54 AM, said:

What? You are the fan when it comes to negative posts and doom and gloom. Any positive person here is shot down and called a fan and has blind optimism etc...

*eye brow raise*

You mean I am being objective?

I enjoy, some parts of this game yes.

How ever there are many many things wrong with this game even outside of the bugs.

Even the games server infrastructure isn't currently able to handle peak player load this with falling player figures overall is a rather terrible state of affairs. This shown by the fact that during peak playing hours on weekends hit detection becomes much much worse.

I am curious as to how you are trying bludgeon the word fan to fit my behaviour, please I am interested to know what definition you are imparting upon the word.

[TwoFaced]

Most part I enjoy....the looks of the mechs, the ability to live the books I read.

The part I hate....hmmm....having to relog due to black and yellow screens. I gave up on shooting anything but guided items since the netcode got bumrushed a few months ago by lackie dudes having no clue how to write it.

[Vassago Rain]

Shazarad, on 17 December 2012 - 01:54 AM, said:

What? You are the fan when it comes to negative posts and doom and gloom. Any positive person here is shot down and called a fan and has blind optimism etc...

Look at people who gush over macs, Twilight, or Harry Potter.

[Shazarad]

Sifright, on 17 December 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

*eye brow raise*

You mean I am being objective?

I enjoy, some parts of this game yes.

How ever there are many many things wrong with this game even outside of the bugs.

Even the games server infrastructure isn't currently able to handle peak player load this with falling player figures overall is a rather terrible state of affairs. This shown by the fact that during peak playing hours on weekends hit detection becomes much much worse.

I am curious as to how you are trying bludgeon the word fan to fit my behaviour, please I am interested to know what definition you are imparting upon the word.

Of course you enjoy the game, people like you with active forum accounts who routinely spew negativity are the ones that often play the most.

Oh and let me put in some emotional movement in here right quick.

*takes a puff of cigar and blows it in your face*

Alright now let me obtain my dictionary full of long detailed words so I can hopefully lose you in a sea of semantics.

I think I covered all the bases.

HAVE FAITH MAN, THIS GAMES GONNA BE GREAT AND HATERS GONNA HATE.

[Sifright]

Shazarad, on 17 December 2012 - 02:07 AM, said:

Of course you enjoy the game, people like you with active forum accounts who routinely spew negativity are the ones that often play the most.

Oh and let me put in some emotional movement in here right quick.

*takes a puff of cigar and blows it in your face*

Alright now let me obtain my dictionary full of long detailed words so I can hopefully lose you in a sea of semantics.

I think I covered all the bases.

HAVE FAITH MAN, THIS GAMES GONNA BE GREAT AND HATERS GONNA HATE.

Faith is for the blind.

Evidence leads me to believe the contrary will be the case.

[Shazarad]

Sifright, on 17 December 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Faith is for the blind.

Evidence leads me to believe the contrary will be the case.

Youre just a perpetually unhappy person arent you? Are you blind? I think not, so...either you aint got faith, or very little of it. Regardless, if you don't have faith, its pretty easy to see why you are doom and gloom. God forbid theres a positive outcome to things right?

Oh oh! Wait! I forgot, i mentioned a deity in that sentence. That will utterly invalidate all of my post to you.

Edited by Shazarad, 17 December 2012 - 02:12 AM.

[Sifright]

Shazarad, on 17 December 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

Youre just a perpetually unhappy person arent you? Are you blind? I think not, so...either you aint got faith, or very little of it. Regardless, if you don't have faith, its pretty easy to see why you are doom and gloom. God forbid theres a positive outcome to things right?

Oh oh! Wait! I forgot, i mentioned a deity in that sentence. That will utterly invalidate all of my post to you.

8/10

Would get trolled again.

[Corpral ellenbogen]

siLve00, on 16 December 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

thats the difference.. i dont see updates coming..

DHS ( 1.4 we did a great testing .. didnt we ? )
2 maps ( yeah wow.. same maps snow and well bleh )
ECM
LRM nerfs ssrm gauss nerfs .. lets call it weapon balancing...

that happend in 2 month..
on the other hand we got 3 hero mechs some paintings and stuff for our cockpits.. are you kidding me ? this game is falling appart with everyday and they are creating bling bling.
they told us, 4 weeks ago, they will focus on the netcode and bugfixes... what happend ? read above !

as you see i dont even talk about gameplay at all... thats secondary in this case ( atleast for me.. i just join the fotm and have fun )

i think someone stated it best this is the forum for people who arent trolls please exit stage left

[GalaxyBluestar]

i'm worried because problems occour more oftern than solutions and we contribute to that by driving those away who are optomistic. this game can be great in time, but pgi are not going to get anytime cause those who are staying behind are more content in finding optomistic new customers and driving cynisism down they're throats so they run off with the same impression and that's money to keep on track... gone.