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[Arclight]

Windies, on 17 December 2012 - 01:10 AM, said:

Yeah, it's not like the game had anything to do with making up his mind or anything...... It's all the community.

Oh come now, look at the thread. I'm not denying it has issues here, it most certainly does. What bothers me is that noone notes that these problems are known, acknowledged and being worked on. Some even outright insult the man for just wanting to pilot a 'Mech and finding joy in that.

Sudden Reversal, on 17 December 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

Minority?

Nope.

Yes, minority. Despite the incessant stream of negativity that is obvious on here the majority actually enjoys the game. With forum-goers being a minority to beging with, the doomsayers are actually a minority within a minority.

For reference: http://mwomercs.com/...oblems-in-beta/

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Spouting negativity and giving a balanced opinion are 2 different things. The most vocal members here are hell-bent on shoving their negative views down people's throats, completely disregarding any and all positives. What we need is time to fix it, not a community keen on driving off as many people as they can.

Edited by Arclight, 17 December 2012 - 09:46 PM.

[Daekar]

Holy zombie Jesus, I've never seen people more hell-bent on driving players away by totally ignoring all the good parts of the game. The mods should ban you all, you're not doing anything except spewing bile in the most destructive way possible. The community would be better off without your input.

[FluorescentBlack]

This thread is win. I also thank you guys and remain optimistic. First Ill take full joystick support and a netcode fix Also, I am glad to see that there are many like minded veteran pilots doing the forum war for me.

[Bashars]

You should have just DL and started playing and not looked in the forums. These forums are no win. Its funny how so much hate and anger for this game comes out of these forums. Hey look a new player... we dont want to tell him its got problems but they are getting worked on. No its wait a few days they cya later your going to hate this game.

[Volume]

Blodhgram, on 16 December 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

so you feel dissapointed in the game? why? im happy just to get behind the seat of a mech again!

also its only beta....

Patch tomorrow should improve a lot of things. Wait until Tues.

[Windies]

Arclight, on 17 December 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

Oh come now, look at the thread. I'm not denying it has issues here, it most certainly does. What bothers me is that noone notes that these problems are known, acknowledged and being worked on. Some even outright insult the man for just wanting to pilot a 'Mech and finding joy in that.

Yes, minority. Despite the incessant stream of negativity that is obvious on here the majority actually enjoys the game. With forum-goers being a minority to beging with, the doomsayers are actually a minority within a minority.

For reference: http://mwomercs.com/...oblems-in-beta/

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Spouting negativity and giving a balanced opinion are 2 different things. The most vocal members here are hell-bent on shoving their negative views down people's throats, completely disregarding any and all positives. What we need is time to fix it, not a community keen on driving off as many people as they can.

He made up his mind after playing the game. I'm not saying that things said in this thread didn't have somewhat of an effect on him, but more or less he played the game, he didn't like it. Simple as that.

[Riffleman]

Blodhgram, on 16 December 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

so you feel dissapointed in the game? why? im happy just to get behind the seat of a mech again!

also its only beta....

hope you dident find using a perephial like a joystick to be fun and immersive. if you did, whooo boy are you in for disapointment.

[shadN]

I ... LOVE ... THIS ... GAME . (Period)

Now to the main issue: Netcode. I guess you can´t just fix it that easily. But they will do because else they can throw the rest of their game away. And they have seen what market potential there is. Period again. Byebye.

[Arclight]

Windies, on 17 December 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

He made up his mind after playing the game. I'm not saying that things said in this thread didn't have somewhat of an effect on him, but more or less he played the game, he didn't like it. Simple as that.

From what I gathered be barely touched it, but fair enough. I just don't think the opinions here should affect him at all; give him some pointers, new player advice and let him figure out if he really enjoys it or not. Not colour his first impressions with overly negative (or positive, fanboys are just as toxic) responses.


Something like "the game has issues but it's being worked on. Stick together and play as a team" is far more constructive then "this gaem suxxorz" or "this gaem R0CKS!1!".

Edited by Arclight, 17 December 2012 - 11:14 PM.

[Riffleman]

shadN, on 17 December 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

I ... LOVE ... THIS ... GAME . (Period)

Now to the main issue: Netcode. I guess you can´t just fix it that easily. But they will do because else they can throw the rest of their game away. And they have seen what market potential there is. Period again. Byebye.

I agree if they fixed netcode (the absolute biggest issue) so light fast mechs werent invincible, and every hit that shoud be a hit registered, this game would greatly jump up in respectability to me. My biggest disapointment was that PGI thought this level of coding was acceptable for the genral public to see. It more than anything I really believe will cause the downfall of this game. Which is a shame.

[Ryolacap]

Like watching the decline of a methhead. Remeber its only a beta. It has better graphic. Yes you have to pay these people for all their hardwork, or play and grind because you can do a lot of the game for free. This has to be a joke.

Edited by Ryolacap, 17 December 2012 - 11:23 PM.

[Fastidious]

Blodhgram, on 16 December 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

on first play i'm disappointed, mw3 graphics were better imo, doesn't even 3d render full screen?

ill mess with it more after work an give it another chance, but this will not be my main game of play by the looks of it,

Plays MWO three minutes, complains about the graphics and is contemplating giving up already. WTF.

Man there's some negative people out on the forums lately. I played a few hours tonight, made about 5 million CBills and after the extra CBills tomorrow will have a nice ~37 million to spend. Sounds like a fun day...

[Sudden Reversal]

Arclight, on 17 December 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

Yes, minority. Despite the incessant stream of negativity that is obvious on here the majority actually enjoys the game. With forum-goers being a minority to beging with, the doomsayers are actually a minority within a minority.

For reference: http://mwomercs.com/...oblems-in-beta/

Spouting negativity and giving a balanced opinion are 2 different things. The most vocal members here are hell-bent on shoving their negative views down people's throats, completely disregarding any and all positives. What we need is time to fix it, not a community keen on driving off as many people as they can.

Raised an eyebrow at that poll, that is until I realised it was taken before the last patch and ECM implementation.

I am not the most vocal member, but I am also not delusional.

If PGI keep ECM the way it currently is without fixing the netcode pronto they will lose most non-US players. The reality is that after the next patch the outright frustration felt by the casual higher ping players will mean they will simply move on and most wont check back in a few months to see if it is fixed, they will actually have moved on to greener pastures.

A persons criticism of a subjects failings can have multitudinous objectives. In my personal case, it is because as an avid Battletech fan I desire this game to succeed, not fail as you mistakenly believe everyone else is doing.

Sticking my head in the sand certainly won't help, nor will being a cheer squad. This is after all BETA, as everyone is keen to remind perceived naysayers, and by defenition needs its faults pointed out for them to be fixed.

[Teralitha]

zverofaust, on 16 December 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

Graphics? Really? Of all the things to point out as flawed and broken in this game, you chose graphics?





Yeah MW3 graphics totally were better you're right.

He probably means had better visibility. Like on the forest colony snow map, and frozen city night maps. Those 2 maps have great visibility, The rest are a bit blurry....


@the new guy, wait to play til after the patch tomorrow.... it should be as bad.

Edited by Teralitha, 18 December 2012 - 12:01 AM.

[Walk]

Blodhgram, on 16 December 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

on first play i'm disappointed, mw3 graphics were better imo, doesn't even 3d render full screen?

ill mess with it more after work an give it another chance, but this will not be my main game of play by the looks of it,

make mw what it deserves to be, and ill be a lifetime monthly sub like i was in wow!

now i wouldn't pay for any credits just on the graphics, ever herd of texture?, remember running over trees and watching/hearing them break? Environment Detail MAKES A GAME! we don't buy top of the line pc's to have games look like this.

as for my beta comment, for as long as this game has been open beta id think that those points would be known, you would chase off clientele with a bad looking game!

Call it my review, sorry if i was expecting to much, could be i was, but i thought a company that wrote video games knew this, not just the players.

overall

sad so see a legend die, ive seen better mech knockoffs in minigames of games

The graphics in this game are phenomenal, I have no idea what you are talking about. Physics and destructible environments are coming. Netcode fix is coming, and optimization is coming, so the game will play nicely while looking gorgeous. Eventually. The big problem is the eventually. But as far as graphics go, I have no idea what the **** you are smoking... out of everything, that's the last thing you are allowed to criticize.

[Arclight]

Sudden Reversal, on 17 December 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

Raised an eyebrow at that poll, that is until I realised it was taken before the last patch and ECM implementation.

I am not the most vocal member, but I am also not delusional.

If PGI keep ECM the way it currently is without fixing the netcode pronto they will lose most non-US players. The reality is that after the next patch the outright frustration felt by the casual higher ping players will mean they will simply move on and most wont check back in a few months to see if it is fixed, they will actually have moved on to greener pastures.

A persons criticism of a subjects failings can have multitudinous objectives. In my personal case, it is because as an avid Battletech fan I desire this game to succeed, not fail as you mistakenly believe everyone else is doing.

Sticking my head in the sand certainly won't help, nor will being a cheer squad. This is after all BETA, as everyone is keen to remind perceived naysayers, and by defenition needs its faults pointed out for them to be fixed.

That's a straw man argument; you switch it from people discouraging a new player to pointing out flaws one particular flaw in the game. Regardless:

Replies in that poll go on after ECM got introduced (agreed, that would skew the outcome though), but I agree that ECM with current netcode is a problem. Being from Holland, playing with ~150ms ping, I have to rely mostly on Streaks to hit really fast lights.

And yet, I don't have any particular issue with it. Aparently, neither does the majority: http://mwomercs.com/...nd-ecm-for-now/
(edit: I do agree though that the votes against ECM are alarmingly high. So yes, something needs to be addressed here, be it ECM itself or netcode)

Does it need to be addressed? I'd say so, yes. But is it a reason to completely bash a game whenever someone voices something positive?


More on topic:

I never said people want it to fail, even the doomsayers, but that is exactly what they are contributing to by spewing their blind rage. You can't deny noone bothered to point out that these problems are being looked at, or any element of the game that is enjoyable.

Your last paragraph says exactly what I did: overly positive or negative responses are detrimental. Yes, problems need to be pointed out, but as noted a page ago these issues are all known, acknowledged and being looked at. Droning on about them when someone shows a positive attitude serves no purpose.

Edited by Arclight, 18 December 2012 - 12:34 AM.

[Elizander]

Vassago Rain, on 17 December 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:

Isn't that how Diablo 3 is played?

You have to continue paying $15 a month to play that way in WoW.

[SkyCake]

zverofaust, on 16 December 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

For some, the joy of piloting a Mech is enough. For those with standards it isn't. MWO's development is slow, behind schedule, rushed and ill planned, but I guess you can't expect much more from a developer whose past titles have all been bargain bin games. Features are implemented as quasi-placeholders and never improved, the new player experience is... brutal, and PGI's plans to improve it are a laugh. Mech balance is non-existent; 127kph Nano-Lights are the name of the game, ECM decides matches.

are you f'ing kidding me??

there are patches every two weeks, you say slow, i say methodical... i eat lights for breakfast with AC20... this game will never be balanced around individual mechs, but around strategy and teamwork... all your posts are a laugh! sit the F down already!

[IamTheEggMan]

Vassago Rain, on 17 December 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:

Isn't that how Diablo 3 is played?

I lol'd so hard......

[Surtr]

Blodhgram, on 16 December 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

so you feel dissapointed in the game? why? im happy just to get behind the seat of a mech again!

This is why I will always support this game.