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[Kadassa]

I'm not shure if I'm talking about the patch I'm just speculating what they announced in the Economy thread in the Command Chair And would they lock the thread if were talking about stuff thats already announced? Its like telling me whats coming up but telling me not to talk about it until then?

So big damage = Big Cbills!

[Sug]

Can we get one of these threads complaining about the patch to actually link patch notes or something so we know what the **** you're bitching about?

[Kadassa]

I sense no bitching here just speculation and so far all I see are good things, right? Well if you want some bad imput there will probably be people saying that the Squads are hogging all the top spots and condeming them to low payouts. Thats about the worst of it I can think of

[Kristov Kerensky]

People will definately be getting upset when they lose that bonus at drop 26 and see just how little they really get per round...I also forsee a lot of other players who won't be getting that 25 round bonus getting upset when they see how little they really get per round without RnR eating their profit...

How people build mechs and play..not going to change much, it's not a big influence on those things currently, just a few very vocal people who whine about it..a lot..a whole damn lot. Which is funny cause they aren't actually new, they are in organized units and never drop with less then 3 teammates which means they make lots of easy cbills pugstomping, and these are the folks complaining about grind and new player experience so often and loudly...seriously, not a joke. And by the by..also the same folks who've stated they want to ruin the game...seriously, also not a joke. Kinda makes ya go 'WTHF' doesn't it?

My take on the new player experience was..it's ok, needs tutorials/walk throughs/intros/SOMETHING to help new comers to the entire BattleTech/MechWarrior universe and actually USING a BattleMech so that it's a little less overwhelming, like a 100' wave coming at your sandcastle is, and more friendly and easier to understand. Cause..lets face it, there ain't NOTHING in this game currently that is helpful to a newb, and THAT is what will drive them away, not RnR costs, not lag issues and bugs, just the simple fact that they ain't got a damn clue what they are doing and nothing in the game HELPS them get one. For pity's sake, even the horrid MechAssaults had that much!

RnR costs and the reward changes..we'll see how long they last in the new state, personally figuring not long, figure RnR should make it's way back in sorta..House units should never have RnR, but Mercs should unless contract covers it and Lone Wolves should always be operating right on the edge of a negative balance, always looking at those Mercs and thinking 'might not be so bad working with some other folks..hmm'...
The rewards...yeah..the math shows I'll be making less per hour then I do currently, and that's without my premium bonus or my founders bonus, and I don't ever have a net loss in a match, even when I get bugged and get to stand around doing nothing and having my mech taken apart piece by piece, I make a profit. Now I'll always make a profit still, but it's going to be less all the way around. No big deal to me, cbills are already pretty worthless, now they'll be totally worthless so who cares?

[TB Freelancer]

The prediction that tactics will suddenly end, that players are suddenly going to get reckless is just idiotic.

For the most part, other than seeing non premium players who don't run in groups using higher end gear or more ammo dependent builds because they can suddenly afford to maintain them, not much is going to change at all. People play the game they way the want to play it. That's pretty much all there is to it.

The only effect cbills had was to make some builds pay to win. Either you had premium time, ran in 4 mans rolling pugs, or you couldn't afford to maintain certain builds because in pug matches you can't possibly win more often than you lose because organized groups are deliberately gaming the system at the expense of individuals.

....the only people to constantly make money in the current economy paid to, roll pugs or both. Mostly both. The thing is the kind of money most are making is because the matchmaker is incomplete. So they're intentionally pitting themselves against much weaker opponents for full rewards. Once the matchmaker is complete (I'm sure this keeps a lot of them up at night dreaming up new arguments) that party is eventually going to end.

All I see is a highly vocal minority pushing their own petty self interest in the guise of 'lore', 'immersion', 'tactics' or whatever weak argument they can come up with knowing full well that the only reason they're making what they make is because they're rolling pugs and can't cut it in a fair fight desperately trying to keep the easy cbills and experience rolling...

...just look how many came running back from 8vs8 with their tails firmly between their legs less than 24hours after the patch.

Seeing the matchmaker get some dev love must terrify them.

[CoreHunter]

i will just base rush to cap. Love screwing with brain dead brawlers that all they can do is scream call signs for group fire and call that tactics. so less credits per match all around

[Kristov Kerensky]

Uh, TB, I run almost exclusively in pure PUG drops, my WL is 1105/1059, slightly better then 1:1 and my KDR is 1.19, I also always make a profit without premium or founders bonuses. Around 1m cbills/hr currently when I'm doing pure PUG drops in my Atlas DDC with AC20/3 SRM6 and 2 LL, and I pay for my ammo, autorepair/reload have been enabled since we got em.

Now, obviously I'm a statistical fluke, since PGI felt the need to remove RnR and redo how rewards work, and the stats they see must be the only reason they'd do that..right? They wouldn't kowtow to the pressure of the vocal minority on the forums screaming about how it's impossible to make any cbills in the game as it stands right now would they? Those same vocal few who actually belong in organized units and love to pugstomp...gotta love the twisted justice there.

[Pr8Dator]

I predict A LOT of Atlas on the field due to the free money and no repair rearm concerns.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Pr8Dator, on 17 December 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

I predict A LOT of Atlas on the field due to the free money and no repair rearm concerns.

and a lot more ballistics/missiles cause you dont have to worry about ammo costs

[Rifter]

In before the lock!

Edited by Rifter, 17 December 2012 - 08:39 PM.

[Pr8Dator]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 17 December 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

and a lot more ballistics/missiles cause you dont have to worry about ammo costs

I think the lack of repair rearm takes away quite a bit of considerations from mech designing...

[Rex Budman]

THE RIVERS WILL RUN RED WITH THE BLOOD OF LOKUSTS THAT EAT YOUR CROPS AND BRING FAMINE AND DISEASE TO YOUR COMMUNITIES!

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

how is this thread even open?

[Deadoon]

Pr8Dator, on 17 December 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

I think the lack of repair rearm takes away quite a bit of considerations from mech designing...

Actually, it makes ballistics just as viable as energy weapons, combined with the ppc buff, I can see alot more ppc users as well.

Ballistic ammo rarely affects peoples costs, and missile ammo is just freeloaded anyways for most people.
All those SLDF "upgrades" are just trade offs.
Ferro-14 slots for 90% armor weight
Endo- Half weight internals, 14 slots cost.
Dhs- upgrade, but externals are bulky as hell and only fit in half your mech.
Artemis, You trade launcher size and weight, and lack of special munitions(later), for more accurate missiles( when you could use that extra ton for more missiles anyways)
UAC- weight,space, and ammo per ton for higher rate of fire.
Lbx- Doing it's job at replacing the standard ac until special munitions are available for the ac/10(like armor piercing ammo, you don't **** with ap ammo)

Only direct upgrade for normal use is the lbx, and that is eclipsed when caseless ammo is available for regular ac becuase then it has half ammo efficiency for slug rounds compared to a standard only using ac.

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 17 December 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

how is this thread even open?

Prediction thread, not feedback.

Edited by Deadoon, 17 December 2012 - 08:49 PM.

[Wired]

Kristov Kerensky, on 17 December 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

Uh, TB, I run almost exclusively in pure PUG drops, my WL is 1105/1059, slightly better then 1:1 and my KDR is 1.19, I also always make a profit without premium or founders bonuses. Around 1m cbills/hr currently when I'm doing pure PUG drops in my Atlas DDC with AC20/3 SRM6 and 2 LL, and I pay for my ammo, autorepair/reload have been enabled since we got em.

Now, obviously I'm a statistical fluke, since PGI felt the need to remove RnR and redo how rewards work, and the stats they see must be the only reason they'd do that..right? They wouldn't kowtow to the pressure of the vocal minority on the forums screaming about how it's impossible to make any cbills in the game as it stands right now would they? Those same vocal few who actually belong in organized units and love to pugstomp...gotta love the twisted justice there.

You mean like when they caved in to a vocal minority screaming about pugstomps when they had hard data proving that not to be the case?

Nah, couldn't happen twice.

[steelblueskies]

so the bots will take four times as many matches to match the top teammate, but will gain exp at the same time. i do not see this disincentivizing the suicide grinders, if the banning didn't. it *could* be nice for the newest players, although i imagine technical issues and certain other mechanics will be the larger issue there. it brings the more interesting thought up of if repair and rearm might be being rolled into a consecutive drop galactic warfare system as i and some others suggested, or simply offlined while being retooled. it also seems to diminish the value of founder/hero bonuses and premium bonuses by lowering overall rewards.
at least it definitively redresses the newbie buys an atlas with mc and can't afford repairs after his first ever match issue.
i do find it amusing that assists will finally be worth more than kills. i thought that to be an amusing way to curtail all the "stole my kill" nonsense.

Edited by steelblueskies, 17 December 2012 - 09:19 PM.

[Rifter]

Wired, on 17 December 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

You mean like when they caved in to a vocal minority screaming about pugstomps when they had hard data proving that not to be the case?

Nah, couldn't happen twice.

Except they had no hard data, they actually said they would post the data and then never did.

Im not saying pugstomps were common dont get me wrong all im saying is when you say you have data and will post it then never do it usualy because you dont really have the data.

[Pr8Dator]

steelblueskies, on 17 December 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

so the bots will take four times as many matches to match the top teammate, but will gain exp at the same time. i do not see this disincentivizing the suicide grinders, if the banning didn't. it *could* be nice for the newest players, although i imagine technical issues and certain other mechanics will be the larger issue there. it brings the more interesting thought up of if repair and rearm might be being rolled into a consecutive drop galactic warfare system as i and some others suggested, or simply offlined while being retooled. it also seems to diminish the value of founder/hero bonuses and premium bonuses by lowering overall rewards.
at least it definitively redresses the newbie buys an atlas with mc and can't afford repairs after his first ever match issue.
i do find it amusing that assists will finally be worth more than kills. i thought that to be an amusing way to curtail all the "stole my kill" nonsense.

I wonder if the guy who kills a mech gets BOTH the kill bonus AND the assist bonus... otherwise, I would be running around just pinching every mech for 1 damage and then hide for my kill assists since i actually get punished for making a kill! LOL!

Edited by Pr8Dator, 17 December 2012 - 09:22 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Rifter, on 17 December 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

Except they had no hard data, they actually said they would post the data and then never did.

Im not saying pugstomps were common dont get me wrong all im saying is when you say you have data and will post it then never do it usualy because you dont really have the data.

I love the vocal minority tripe as well when you see the same what 12 people saying that?

[Rifter]

Pr8Dator, on 17 December 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

I wonder if the guy who kills a mech gets BOTH the kill bonus AND the assist bonus... otherwise, I would be running around just pinching every mech for 1 damage and then hide for my kill assists since i actually get punished for making a kill! LOL!

I thought of this as well, just run a jenner run around tag everyone with a ML burst then who cares what you do you are racking up x 8 assist bonus, assuming you guys win and kill them all that is.