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[Sarevos]

So lets say Clan mechs drop for all to buy, lets give them 100% omni weapon hardpoints.

"Madness!" you say?

"Why would anyone use IS mechs anymore?" you say?

Good question!

Lets remember how advanced these mechs are, and assume the inner sphere will not have the capability to manufacture them. This means that complete rebuilds and refits like Endo steel Double heatsinks and FF armor would be incredibly difficult, impossible even, for a small merc corp.

So when you buy that fancy clan mech you can put any type of weapon where you want but all that fancy framework that takes up so many crit spaces aint goin nowhere. For the sake of customization engines should be allowed to be swapped (If need be keep them XL if it stocks one or standard if its native to that).

While you cant change what weapon types your IS mech can mount, we have the capability to rebuild and refit it to your needs giving the IS mechs a niche of their own and not necessarily worse than clan mechs being able to mount clan weapons and some clan equipment lets face it clan tech is going to be better theres no doubt about that but clan dbl HS with IS weapons means youre firing all day lol.

how would you guys balance clan v IS?

[FiveDigits]

Sarevos, on 21 December 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

[...] how would you guys balance clan v IS?

Purely by numbers. Star (5) vs. two lances (8).

[Sarevos]

FiveDigits, on 21 December 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

Purely by numbers. Star (5) vs. two lances (8).

ofc when fighting Clan V IS but what happens when the IS picks up some chassis?

Edited by Sarevos, 21 December 2012 - 07:09 AM.

[Roughneck45]

Im hoping mechs will just have some sort of battle value associated with them, and the groups will just have a cap to build the unit around.

[FiveDigits]

Clan tech shouldn't be sustainable for any IS unit for at least 10 more years. It's a non issue imo.

[Pr8Dator]

CLAN TECH IS EXPENSIVE.

Thats the balance... I don't see many people forking out 24,233,124 C-bills for a Mad Cat. Let alone 3 of it to bring it to master. All of clan tech are expensive as hell to buy and maintain. If the Devs re-introduce rearm repair, which I think very likely, that cost alone would make most rounds played in vain. Also, lets not forget that in mechwarrior, the fan fare factor is very strong. Given the choice, most serious players would still stick to their "favorite" mech after the novelty of the clan mechs wear out.

[Sarevos]

Roughneck45, on 21 December 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

Im hoping mechs will just have some sort of battle value associated with them, and the groups will just have a cap to build the unit around.

This would be ideal imo but it would have to be class/BV otherwise you get atlases with IS tech against a whole bunch of Stormcrows lol

Pr8Dator, on 21 December 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

CLAN TECH IS EXPENSIVE.

Thats the balance... I don't see many people forking out 24,233,124 C-bills for a Mad Cat. Let alone 3 of it to bring it to master. All of clan tech are expensive as hell to buy and maintain. If the Devs re-introduce rearm repair, which I think very likely, that cost alone would make most rounds played in vain. Also, lets not forget that in mechwarrior, the fan fare factor is very strong. Given the choice, most serious players would still stick to their "favorite" mech after the novelty of the clan mechs wear out.

lol as weve seen more people shift to the most optimal build than the diehards (like me) who go for aesthetics or nostalgia

Idk about rnr doing enough to balance it if the costs are so prohibitive its going to make it a gold ammo situation which pgi seems to be trying to step away from I think the bv balance is probably the most sensible

Edited by Sarevos, 21 December 2012 - 07:03 AM.

[Thirdstar]

FiveDigits, on 21 December 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

Purely by numbers. Star (5) vs. two lances (8).

Big ol THIS. There's is no other mathematical way to balance Clantech if it's somewhat true to canon.

[Kraven Kor]

I do hope we see 5 on 8 and 10 on 16 battles for Clan vs. IS

I also hope Clan players are heavily penalized for assists. Clan Warriors fight one on one. No assists or focus fire

[Sarevos]

Thirdstar, on 21 December 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:

Big ol THIS. There's is no other mathematical way to balance Clantech if it's somewhat true to canon.

hope theres more to it than that if the star fields a full compliment of Dire wolves (which they likely would knowing theyre at a number disadvantage) and the other team isnt knee deep in atlas/ highlanders thats a wrap

Edited by Sarevos, 21 December 2012 - 07:07 AM.

[Gallowglas]

Yeah, I agree. I think you have to balance it by numbers so that there are fewer clanners on the opposing team.

[Sarevos]

Kraven Kor, on 21 December 2012 - 07:05 AM, said:

I do hope we see 5 on 8 and 10 on 16 battles for Clan vs. IS

I also hope Clan players are heavily penalized for assists. Clan Warriors fight one on one. No assists or focus fire

I would cross an enemies field of fire just for that lol XD

[Thirdstar]

Sarevos, on 21 December 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

hope theres more to it than that if the star fields a full compliment of Dire wolves (which they likely would knowing their at a number disadvantage) and the other team isnt knee deep in atlas/ highlanders thats a wrap

Yes, clantech in the setting makes a reasonable amount of sense. In a competitive 8vs8, arena shooter like we have now, it's a great way to obliterate any semblance of balance. I really really hope the Clan Invasion doesn't happen in-game for many many months (conservatively about a year), because the Devs needs to solve all kinds of combat system, economy and matchmaking issues before you want to throw yet another wrench into the machinery.

Edited by Thirdstar, 21 December 2012 - 07:11 AM.

[Rotaugen]

I've been reading the 3025 and 3050 Technical Readouts. Unless they follow canon and have the IS get 2-1 in mechs, the Clan mechs will roll. If they make them super expensive, then it does become P2W if the same number fight on each side. This is coming from a guy with 50,000 MC in pocket too.

[FiveDigits]

Kraven Kor, on 21 December 2012 - 07:05 AM, said:

[...] I also hope Clan players are heavily penalized for assists. Clan Warriors fight one on one. No assists or focus fire

Sarevos, on 21 December 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

I would cross an enemies field of fire just for that lol XD

The thing is that Zellbrigen is only applied in battles versus worthy and honorable opponents.

[Thirdstar]

Rotaugen, on 21 December 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

I've been reading the 3025 and 3050 Technical Readouts. Unless they follow canon and have the IS get 2-1 in mechs, the Clan mechs will roll. If they make them super expensive, then it does become P2W if the same number fight on each side. This is coming from a guy with 50,000 MC in pocket too.

An excellent point, because if there's one place that real P2W may rear it's head then that's Clantech.

Edited by Thirdstar, 21 December 2012 - 07:14 AM.

[Cerlin]

FiveDigits, on 21 December 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

Purely by numbers. Star (5) vs. two lances (8).

I also agree. Once you mix it is kinda over and IS mechs will mostly be outclassed and suboptimal (though I still love em.)

[Sarevos]

Rotaugen, on 21 December 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

I've been reading the 3025 and 3050 Technical Readouts. Unless they follow canon and have the IS get 2-1 in mechs, the Clan mechs will roll. If they make them super expensive, then it does become P2W if the same number fight on each side. This is coming from a guy with 50,000 MC in pocket too.

It really does depend on if PGI goes for a money grab and lets people buy clan tech with Real money if you have a mixed lance you cant do an 8v8 and you cant really tell people their team ALL has to use clan tech or none of them can

(Edit: ******* their and theyre lol what the hell is my problem today?)

Edited by Sarevos, 21 December 2012 - 07:20 AM.

[Sarevos]

FiveDigits, on 21 December 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

The thing is that Zellbrigen is only applied in battles versus worthy and honorable opponents.

lol Id line up my ppcs on the cockpit while hes still talking

Him "I, STAR CAPTAIN DA--- *Explosion*...... *Static*"

Me: "WHAT?! I CANT HEAR YOU! YOU NEED TO SPEAK UP!"

Him: -____-

[Kraven Kor]

Sarevos, on 21 December 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

I would cross an enemies field of fire just for that lol XD

Nice.