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[iminbagdad]

So heres the issue. Its not the lag shield, not premades, not trial mechs. There is no loadout, no weapon, no mech EVER designed that can only do 1 point of damage before getting destroyed. Either we are getting tons of new players (a good thing) or there is a large population in this game that, sorry to say, just sucks.

I have had personal stuff going on so I have not been able to drop with my buddies and have been exclusively pugging for the past couple weeks. every single match there is at least 2 players per team that do less than 100 points of damage, in most cases WAY less. How is this possible?

I'm not talking about how leet i am or anything but there is no way in hell that someone can die without causing at least 100 points in damage.

So heres my question

If you regularly get less than 100 points of damage in a match, what are you doing?

[Sabazial]

You've obviously never been the first target of a focus fire attack then.

[Wired]

Belphegore, on 28 December 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

You've obviously never been the first target of a focus fire attack then.

So what are you doing which lets you be focus fired upon.

[One Medic Army]

I once spent the entire match shooting at an ECM raven with my LRM Stalker.
I ended up doing not so much damage to him due to a combination of lagshield and the stalker just being a bad brawl mech vs lights.
Eventually the rest of my team finished the other 7 guys and turned around to find me still dueling with said raven and proceeded to counter-ECM and kill the ******.

[Wired]

One Medic Army, on 28 December 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

I once spent the entire match shooting at an ECM raven with my LRM Stalker.
I ended up doing not so much damage to him due to a combination of lagshield and the stalker just being a bad brawl mech vs lights.
Eventually the rest of my team finished the other 7 guys and turned around to find me still dueling with said raven and proceeded to counter-ECM and kill the ******.

I see what you did there.

[Hellen Wheels]

There is more to the game than just earning brownie damage points.

Unfortunately, most people (like yourself) cannot see that.

And that's why the game will die.
=H=

[One Medic Army]

Wired, on 28 December 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

I see what you did there.

I related an anecdote of a match where I did very low damage?
To be specific I was using my 4x Medium Lasers and he was circling me at a distance of roughly 5m. The limited torso twist of a stalker severely limits your potential in this situation.

Edited by One Medic Army, 28 December 2012 - 06:53 PM.

[Cody Machado]

I'm lagging. my cpu can barely cope with this game. but i still able to do some good before i die in game. I'm not a bad player. my rig just sucks

[TexAce]

I hope it to be new players. But Im a lone wolf and only pugging and while I do up to 1000 damage in matches I sometimes find myself surrounded by 4 ravens who speed capped my base while I was the slowest one of my team approaching forward so the first one coming back to base and die while not doing more than 80 damage.

Edited by TexAss, 28 December 2012 - 06:54 PM.

[iminbagdad]

Belphegore, on 28 December 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

You've obviously never been the first target of a focus fire attack then.

Do you regularly get focus fired on? and if so do you insist on a **** poor build that has zero burst damage? If that is the case then yes you suck. I regularly get focus fired on, you know why? I enjoy tanking, I'll take an atlas and wade into the middle of the other team and have everyone focus on me, I die first. But i guarantee I take at least 1 person with me, or at least do several hundred points of dam.

One Medic Army, on 28 December 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

I once spent the entire match shooting at an ECM raven with my LRM Stalker.
I ended up doing not so much damage to him due to a combination of lagshield and the stalker just being a bad brawl mech vs lights.
Eventually the rest of my team finished the other 7 guys and turned around to find me still dueling with said raven and proceeded to counter-ECM and kill the ******.

Do you not have any close in defense weapons? Does this happen a lot or just that one time? If you do a lot of damage sometimes and no damage sometimes all that means is sometimes you are worthless to your team.

Edit: I was typing this when you replied sorry

Edited by iminbagdad, 28 December 2012 - 06:55 PM.

[One Medic Army]

iminbagdad, on 28 December 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

Do you not have any close in defense weapons? Does this happen a lot or just that one time? If you do a lot of damage sometimes and no damage sometimes all that means is sometimes you are worthless to your team.

Edit: I was typing this when you replied sorry

I was trying my LRM stalker on a Lark.
I did have 4x MedLas, and frequently use them up close, but a fast ECM light is the Kryptonite to most Stalker builds.

Heck, with how bad the (non 3F) stalkers are in a close-up brawl, I consider I did well just keeping him out of my rear arc for the majority of the match, and surviving with only light damage. If Collisions were in I'd have run him over several times and legged him while he stood up.

Edited by One Medic Army, 28 December 2012 - 06:59 PM.

[Wired]

One Medic Army, on 28 December 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

I was trying my LRM stalker on a Lark.
I did have 4x MedLas, and frequently use them up close, but a fast ECM light is the Kryptonite to most Stalker builds.

To be honest I thought you were joking, considering the lack of lock on for LRMS on ECM targets. Were you trying to dumbfire them?

[iminbagdad]

Hellen Wheels, on 28 December 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

There is more to the game than just earning brownie damage points.

Unfortunately, most people (like yourself) cannot see that.

And that's why the game will die.
=H=

Like what? there is no "scouting" in this game, If you try to f@gcap and get no damage did you "win"? If you are trying to act as a bullet sponge you can still get well over 100 points of damage before getting killed.

So what are you doing thats so important you couldnt help out with at least 100 points of damage, Its not that much. In my commando I can do at least that with no problem.

[One Medic Army]

Wired, on 28 December 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

To be honest I thought you were joking, considering the lack of lock on for LRMS on ECM targets. Were you trying to dumbfire them?

Nope, just used my medium lasers, every-time I actually managed to get him in front of me. Compensated for lag and tried to keep on target as much as possible with a Stalker's slow turn rate and low twist.
It was a one sided matchup, as Stalkers are pretty much designed to be countered by fast/maneuverable enemies.

[Wired]

Hellen Wheels, on 28 December 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

There is more to the game than just earning brownie damage points.

Unfortunately, most people (like yourself) cannot see that.

And that's why the game will die.
=H=

While I agree with the general message, the problem is that they've taken out anything that rewards you for doing something other than fighting. But that WILL kill the game, don't get me wrong.

[orion0117]

Been there done that, scouting then all the sudden there is a 4 man and I get toasted. I've had many games where I've done 0 damage, and I'll be the first to admit I'm not some legendary player. It can take some time to learn to play this game...not everyone is Ultimate MechWarrior from their first game. The worst players can improve but it may take some practice. They don't need to be interrogated as to why they are not star players.

Presently, after 60 or so matches, I don't regularly get less than 100 points of damage. I'm also not using cookie cutter mechs, I have 3 customized to my liking. The biggest accomplishment, is learning to use the controls. Takes some time to run these rigs without having to think about every input.

Hopefully, what we're seeing is MWO attracting new players. For the success of the game, new players are needed. If after 10 years, and only the elite 100 players are still here, how boring will it be to be matched over and over to those you've beaten, beat them again, only to be beaten by those you've been beaten by before.

Rambling post done/

Belphegore, on 28 December 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

You've obviously never been the first target of a focus fire attack then.

[iminbagdad]

One Medic Army, on 28 December 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

I was trying my LRM stalker on a Lark.
I did have 4x MedLas, and frequently use them up close, but a fast ECM light is the Kryptonite to most Stalker builds.

Heck, with how bad the (non 3F) stalkers are in a close-up brawl, I consider I did well just keeping him out of my rear arc for the majority of the match, and surviving with only light damage. If Collisions were in I'd have run him over several times and legged him while he stood up.

Then you don't regularly do that poorly, one mach you got caught by your kryptonite

[hammerreborn]

One Medic Army, on 28 December 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

Nope, just used my medium lasers, every-time I actually managed to get him in front of me. Compensated for lag and tried to keep on target as much as possible with a Stalker's slow turn rate and low twist.
It was a one sided matchup, as Stalkers are pretty much designed to be countered by fast/maneuverable enemies.

Pretty much this. The stalker trial mech just can not turn fast enough to track anything faster than an atlas. But when you're in the center arc you're in for a bad time.

[One Medic Army]

iminbagdad, on 28 December 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

Then you don't regularly do that poorly, one mach you got caught by your kryptonite

Oh heck no, I hardly ever do less than 100pts of damage.
Just saying it can happen to us all.

If I'm PUGing in something that's a little more adaptable, my stats look like this.
I plan on adding some more data tonight.

[ElmoWithAGun]

I honestly don't recall the last time I have gotten under 100 damage unless my or opposing team goes straight for base cap.

From my experience though, I have found it to be a combination of new players (which is fine...we were all new once), brain-dead players (those which have completely no common sense), and the players that come from cod expecting to be able to run in a crowd of 8 mechs expecting to clutch all 8 of them.