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[Burned_Follower]

My CPU average temp during gameplay is in upper 40's(celcius) and max temp is 55c. A map where it's snowing is when i get my WORST FPS rates which are upper 20's(as shown in the above video). My FPS rates are shown in the upper/left corner of the screen.

First of all, i'm not complaining because in my opinion my gameplay and my FPS feels very smooth and enjoyable.

I've been asking around and thought it'd be a good idea to post this here:

Is there anything that i can do to bring up my FPS rate to upper 40's? I know that the low FPS problem that i have and everybody else has is because this is beta. But i want to MAKE SURE that i've done everything that i can hardware/software wise to beef up my FPS and to avoid lag.

Have i done everything i can from my end?

Below are my specs:
CPU: FX8350 8 core, 4.0GHz
RAM: DDR3 16GB Corsair Veng. 240pin
GPU: Radeon 7950 OC edition DDR5
Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth 990fx R2.0
PSU: Roswell 80+platinum 750watt
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 Bit, OEM

Edit: I would also like to know something else. How can i tell what "percentage load" my GPU and CPU is under? I noticed that some people on the forums here say that MWO uses the CPU more than my GPU. I would like to see for myself if this is the case for my PC.

Edited by XxDRxDEATHxX, 25 December 2012 - 07:42 AM.

[Aznpersuasion89]

im surprised your not already in the upper 40s. im in the upper 40-50 fps range at 50% gpu load with a 7850 OC. im not sure but i think it may have something to do with your cpu. i think, vulpe may stop by and have input but i think the FX series cpus may have problems with this game. something about not having true cores, but modules rather and how they handle multi threads applications. i may be way wrong.

[Youngblood]

You have a Sabertooth. You have the top AMD processor. I say you should overclock it. 5 GHz is your target. Ask around on overclock.net or [H]ardForum for how to do it. I personally have gotten great gains from my own rig doing it, jumped from exactly the numbers you have to the numbers you want.

Edit: You do have an aftermarket cooler on that cpu, right? Which is it?

Edited by Youngblood, 25 December 2012 - 06:40 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Difficult one, AMD chips deliver less gaming performance but give you greater performance per $, they are also good if you like the underdog.

There is a severe lack of decent Crysis 2 benchmarks for the 8350 and 8320

http://www.anandtech...fx4300-tested/5

Taking a look at a cross section of games, you can see the 8350 in most cases is still below that of the I5 2500k, but still yields good FPS.



Here in a benchmark of BF 3 you can see it sits, between the 2550k and 3570k so definitely good performance.

I think it just comes down to the game your playing, without doubt Intel is the market leader, and delivers the best performance for gamers, i guess that's by virtue of designers coding games to make use of the largest % of users architecture..

If im brutally honest, i the AMD chips are just quad core cores with a fairly decent marketing ploy of being 8 cores, but i suspect its those 4 modules and the inefficiency of the sharing process that holds their architecture back.

Overclocking further may help, but AMD chips on an overclock get very power hungry and very hot fairly quickly, so good cooling will be required

Edited by DV McKenna, 25 December 2012 - 06:48 AM.

[Youngblood]

Eh, give the guy a break, he blew a huge load for that new system, might as well make the most of what he has. No need for an AMD vs. Intel lecture again.

Just to clarify, OP, 5 GHz is kind of a lucky target. Even at 4.5 you will see noticeable gains.

[TheAquired]

Unfortunately I'd say your terrible FPS is related to you having an AMD CPU. Those things are just awful and definitely not built for gaming, at least 20 fps is playable.

[Vulpesveritas]

TheAquired, on 25 December 2012 - 07:04 AM, said:

Unfortunately I'd say your terrible FPS is related to you having an AMD CPU. Those things are just awful and definitely not built for gaming, at least 20 fps is playable.

Intel fanboy statement if I ever heard one.

OP, I would recommend OCing your CPU and GPU, a 4.5ghz on the CPU and 1ghz on the GPU should be feasible once you get an aftermarket cooler for your CPU, I believe you were talking about getting a closed water loop before.

[Burned_Follower]

In order to avoid turning this thread into an intel vs amd thread. I understand that technology wise, intel is the way to go. But budget wise, i chose to go the AMD route so that i could start playing last month instead of waiting until Jan. or Feb. 2013 to play.

As far as my cooling, i just got the standard heat sink that came with my CPU. I was supposed to get the H100i a few weeks ago(my case is designed to hold a 240mm radiator in the top of the case) but made Christmas shopping for my family a priority. I should be getting the H100i in a few weeks from now. I'll try to OC to 5GHz then. That was my original plan anyway but i was hoping that i could reach my 40+FPS goal with just 4GHz since 3.5GHz seems to be the average CPU speed for gamers. I guess that i'm glad that i prepared for this scenario so that i don't have to buy another chip, lol.

As for my GPU, do i really need to overclock it? It's already a 7950, pre overclocked from the factory and running at 3GB with DDR5 ram. Here's the link

Edited by XxDRxDEATHxX, 25 December 2012 - 07:50 AM.

[Vulpesveritas]

As it is, your CPU is ahead of most chips out there, as the 8350 is faster than anything below a sandy bridge i5 in floating point and a is the fastest consumer CPU in pure integer performance. So you shouldn't really feel bad about your performance, at least you're not an i3/core2/pentium/athalon/phenom/fx4000/a-series user getting dips around or below 10fps.

[Burned_Follower]

Vulpesveritas, on 25 December 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

As it is, your CPU is ahead of most chips out there, as the 8350 is faster than anything below a sandy bridge i5 in floating point and a is the fastest consumer CPU in pure integer performance. So you shouldn't really feel bad about your performance, at least you're not an i3/core2/pentium/athalon/phenom/fx4000/a-series user getting dips around or below 10fps.

^^ This!

Oh, yeah, i don't feel bad at all. If anything i'm having fun troubleshooting this stuff because this is the first time i built a PC and everything that's happening is a fun learning experience for me. This is the biggest reason i'm not complaining.

Edited by XxDRxDEATHxX, 25 December 2012 - 08:51 AM.

[Weeble]

I'm surprised you aren't in the 40 fps range already. Look up what the common overclock strategy is for your cpu if you think it's holding you back. AMD usually oc's well.

I have the Radeon 7950. Load the beta 12.11 drivers for a quick boost. I have an Intel cpu but it's slower than yours and the beta drivers put me right at 40 fps average without doing anything else.

Your video card has a factory overclock around 900~925 MHz on the gpu and 1250 on the memory. These cards overclock really well. It's common to go to 1150 on the gpu and 1500 on the memory with stock voltage levels. I put mine at 1100 and 1450 just because it's already fast enough that I don't need every last bit of performance. Stock voltage, runs cool and quiet.

edit:
TL;DR your system is at least equal to or better than mine and I got over 40 fps in under 15 minutes.

CPU: I5 2500k 3.3 GHz
RAM: 16 GB Corsair ddr3
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z68-V Pro/Gen3
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit

Edited by Weeble, 25 December 2012 - 09:03 AM.

[TheAquired]

Vulpesveritas, on 25 December 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

Intel fanboy statement if I ever heard one.

OP, I would recommend OCing your CPU and GPU, a 4.5ghz on the CPU and 1ghz on the GPU should be feasible once you get an aftermarket cooler for your CPU, I believe you were talking about getting a closed water loop before.

Actually I have always owned AMD CPU's. But then I decided to get an Intel one when I upgraded, and it converted me forever. So I honestly believe what I said, wasn't trying to attack the OP. I was just trying to think of a reason for the terrible fps on that system.

[Vulpesveritas]

TheAquired, on 25 December 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Actually I have always owned AMD CPU's. But then I decided to get an Intel one when I upgraded, and it converted me forever. So I honestly believe what I said, wasn't trying to attack the OP. I was just trying to think of a reason for the terrible fps on that system.

Most Intel processors are having trouble too, as the game has poor coding. Pretty much just SB/SB-E/IB i5's/i7s are getting min fps above 35-40 consistently at stock. Older Intel CPUs and i3s are hurting as well.

As for the "converting you forever" does that mean that if AMD were to bring a superior product out of the blue like they did with the Athalon 64, you wouldn't use another AMD CPU? You don't have to have used nothing but Intel to sound like a fanboy, since fanboyism comes down to ignoring a superior product / person for the sake of a brand or ideal.

Like I'm an ethics fanboy.

As far as his system goes, by what I've been reading on his thread he is averaging in 40-50fps with these dips below 30.

[Honey Badger]

I don't want to jump into the Intel vs. AMD fight. I almost went with an AMD CPU based on budget, but had extra funds coming available, so I went with a pretty popular Ivy Bridge build / NVIDEA build. I've discovered with my build that GPU performance is king, given that your running a Radeon 7950, I'd make sure you have the most up-to-date driver out there for your GPU. When I installed mine, I went straight to NVIDEA and got their latest driver instead of the manufacturer.

Not going to rehash my build in detail, but with all new systems, I'd suggest you make sure you have a clean Win 7 install (no Crapware like you get with a Dell or such), all drivers up-to-date for everything. With my build I'm averaging around 60 FPS with minimums of mid-40s in river city waterfights and fights around the buildings in frozen city. If you want to see what I went with just scroll down and look for my posts.

Hope you get things figured out!

Edited by Honey Badger, 25 December 2012 - 11:31 AM.

[TheAquired]

Vulpesveritas, on 25 December 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

Most Intel processors are having trouble too, as the game has poor coding. Pretty much just SB/SB-E/IB i5's/i7s are getting min fps above 35-40 consistently at stock. Older Intel CPUs and i3s are hurting as well.

As for the "converting you forever" does that mean that if AMD were to bring a superior product out of the blue like they did with the Athalon 64, you wouldn't use another AMD CPU? You don't have to have used nothing but Intel to sound like a fanboy, since fanboyism comes down to ignoring a superior product / person for the sake of a brand or ideal.

Like I'm an ethics fanboy.

As far as his system goes, by what I've been reading on his thread he is averaging in 40-50fps with these dips below 30.

Well I would definitely look at it, if I were to be upgrading at the time it was superior. That's what happened with my last CPU. I bought AMD because price for performance was much better, but I felt, especially after going with Intel now, that the extra money was worth it because they do perform really well. (I have the 37770k). Anyway, I wouldn't call myself a fan boy and me saying converted forever was probably a little bit of an exaggeration. It doesn't matter now.

[DocBach]

^^^

Running an i7 3770k with 32GB 1866mhz RAM and GTX680 4GB OC twin frozrs SLI'd I get like 45 FPS in the action. Pretty disappointing seeing as I could have bought a car with how much my computer cost to put together.

Edited by DocBach, 25 December 2012 - 11:55 AM.

[Youngblood]

DocBach, on 25 December 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

^^^

Running an i7 3770k with 32GB 1866mhz RAM and GTX680 4GB OC twin frozrs SLI'd I get like 45 FPS in the action. Pretty disappointing seeing as I could have bought a car with how much my computer cost to put together.

Don't be disappointed in your rig. Be disappointed in the tiny tiny team of rookie programmers trying to tackle an online shooter with a giant customization system for the first time.

Idly, have you tried to run two clients for two different games at the same time with that thing? I'm sure you could be mining on EVE or waiting for stuff on Minecraft or something while playing MWO, hehe.

Edited by Youngblood, 25 December 2012 - 12:27 PM.

[RadioKies]

This game is verry strange on performance. This game doesn;t always perform better when you get/have newer hardware. As you can see in my sig, my hardware isn't top of the line nowadays (a 4 year old am2 940x4@3.0ghz and GTS250) but performs with high settings @ 1680*1050 running 24 to a whopping 48 fps sometimes averaging ~32fps at the moment. Whereas I've seen people with better and newer hardware getting fewer or the same amount of fps.


To step into the AMD vs Intel hype:

If you go for Intel go for an i5 proc instead of i7, the i5 is optimised more fore gaming so it gives better performance then an i7 when gaming. I can suggest to go for the 3.0ghz i5, that one is verry easy to OC to 4.4ghz (offcourse you need to use an aftermarket cooler).
This is coming from someone who could be labeled as an AMD fan. The only Intel CPU's I owned was in the 386, pentium I, II age.

Edited by RadioKies, 25 December 2012 - 01:05 PM.

[Sen]

While all this AMD vs Intel commentary is very entertaining [I love it when Vulps gets involved ^^] it's really not very conducive to higher FPS.

O/P:

1) Have you downloaded the latest catalyst drivers for your 7950? These would be the catalyst 12.11 beta 11 drivers.

http://support.amd.c...betadriver.aspx

2) Have you disabled ULPS in windows? I haven't heard of it happening anytime lately, but there used to be performance issues related to this. Couldn't hurt to attempt:

http://www.overclock...-disabling-ulps

more of a crossfire fix, but still couldn't hurt.

3) have you tried opening Catalyst control center, going into performance/AMD overdrive, and clicking yes? From there you can O/C the video card if you wish, but MORE IMPORTANTLY there is a slider on the bottom labeled "Power Control Settings": Crank that sucker. That'll make 100% sure that you don't have any low power issues to the GFX card.

The 7950 should be running somewhere around 45-60+ FPS @ 1920 x 1080 with everything maxed based on my experience with the card.

Granted, I have an intel 3930k @ 4.5Ghz [this week, long story] but I can't see there being THAT huge a change based on architecture.

If you're still having issues after all that, I'd check windows updates and dig around for general updated chipset drivers, etc just to rule that out as a possibility. If THAT fails, get back to me/us and we can dig into it a little deeper

Edited by Sen, 25 December 2012 - 02:57 PM.

[BrkDncr]

Don't buy any hardware just yet. PGI has not fully optimized the game for performance/quality. hang tight, in the next few months I'd suspect some bumps in performance and quality.