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[Irreverence]

Now, let's not go to any trouble to make them feel welcome.

[Hesketh Vernon Hesketh Prichard]

NO LOBBY CHAT! YOU SAID IT!

WHY HAVE WE NO LOBBY? Since consoles come into play with these AWEFUL matchmakers thats what we have had to put up with. I mean, 2 decades ago we used A LOBBY< where we chat and talk and say, Hey, I want a game with you. Other person goes, 'Cool, Ill start a room up.' Low andf behold we can organise our selves and play with who we want, chat to who we want and everyones happy.

WHY THIS STUPID ELO B$ AND MM B$ IS SHOVED DOWN OUT THROATS I DO NOT KNOW! Lobbys were the origional AND STILL THE BEST IDEA! Yet i have not seen one in a game for..... WAY TOO LONG!

ADD A LOBBY, PROBLEM SOLVED!

Back to the point of this thread, It's more like winning 1 out 5-7 games with pugs, its no fun! I want to help and try but theres only so much B$ one can take, And PGI DO NOT HELP THE SITUATION but further its problems into the depths of despair

**** that ELO idea is the worst idfea ive ever heard. Ranking/stat systems ALWAYS TURN PEOPLE INTO IDIOTS, Not there fault, there HUMAN, Its a false economy, just like out real world economy

Edited by Hesketh Vernon Hesketh Prichard, 25 December 2012 - 01:58 PM.

[RedDragon]

Thirdstar, on 25 December 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Okay, I understand entirely where you're coming from. Heck i've raged at PuG groups doing stupid things myself, and I'm not proud of that. But attempt to see it from their point of view. They're entirely new to the game with no contact with other players in a non-combat setting, no community, no lobby chat, nothing. At that point your directions might as well be in Latin and they have no reason to take your word for it, it is the internet after all. So they go off and die, someone calls them an ***** for doing this. What's the human reaction to being insulted? ignore the attached advice.

In some cases you may be right. If someone shouts "Tunnel rush!" and I'm in a LRM boat, I'll think twice before joining them. But such really basic principles as staying with your group and not rushing in alone must be clear to even the newest player. If you see that your team sticks together and plays defensively, why the heck should you rush in alone? It's in the chat and it's on your map and you still decide that it's a good idea to rush in alone? Sorry, I can't understand that players can be this bad, even if it's their first game. In fact, just because it IS their first game, the natural instinct should tell them to look what everyone else is doing rather than just rushing in.

[Remarius]

I'm sorry but I can't take anyone ranting in capitals with the name ... "Hesketh Vernon Hesketh Prichard" seriously.

Edited by Remarius, 25 December 2012 - 01:59 PM.

[Tarman]

RedDragon, on 25 December 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

The point is - most of the time it's better to follow even a "terrible general" than do you own thing. A PUG that doesn't stick together or at least forms 2 or 3 smaller groups is a dead PUG in 9 out of 10 cases. When you are following orders, no matter how bad they are, at least the team stays grouped and has a fair chance of beating the enemy.

Then this is the stuff you need to be presenting to rookie pilots, not an air of disgust at their lack of skills. OFC they don't have skills, they're rookies. And how you give advice makes a big difference, not that I'm saying you personally were snarky. Seen some 1337 pilots talk to the rookies like they're bondsmen or slaves. Most people would rather actually lose than listen to a jerkface bark orders at them. And really, 3 entire matches before you quit? Not that representative a study sample you have to admit.

[Hesketh Vernon Hesketh Prichard]

Remarius, on 25 December 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

I'm sorry but I can't take anyone ranting in capitals with the name ... "Hesketh Vernon Hesketh Prichard" seriously.

Well more fool you then... I always get commented, But if people actually bothered to look they would see you WOULD TAKE ORDERS FROM ME!

http://en.wikipedia....esketh-Prichard

Hes only responsible for the british sniper school bar MANY, MANY other things.....

SlXSlXSlX, on 25 December 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

RedDragon " I'm in a LRM boat".

Noob.

I cant do it, Its so sad and unrewarding. And the fact that its boring as hell. Dont get me wrong, SOmetimes its nice to see them coming in from your own team hitting the enemy but it requires the minimal of skills and just feels wrong to me.

my 2 cent on LRM boats

[Zeke Steiner]

Blame the Meta, alot of players use the SRM boat and Raven 3L as a crutch. Others think the tatics they used last match worked so they use them in the next and get owned because they aren't paying attention to the enemies weapon loadouts. And sometimes poeple just have a bad match

[Xelchon]

For those who don't listen to the NGNG podcast; you should know what is spoken with a few of devs there.
In future the game will keep tabs of your overall kills/damage ratio in pug matches, and pair the guys with higher rating with their respective equals.
That should be the answer to your worries; however I have no idea when this will be implemented. I'm pretty excited about this if it were to happen, and actually I was anticipating such a measure at some point in game. Seems like its just not now; because I guess it's still too early, and the game is still in beta.

Edited by Xelchon, 25 December 2012 - 02:10 PM.

[Zeke Steiner]

Xelchon, on 25 December 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

For those who don't listen to the NGNG podcast; you should know what is spoken with a few of devs there.
In future the game will keep tabs of your overall kills/damage ratio in pug matches, and pair the guys with higher rating with their respective equals.

Would be better if it were based on wins rather than kills as kills mean squat in a team environment. Oh wells...

Edited by Zeke Steiner, 25 December 2012 - 02:14 PM.

[Wizard Steve]

Hesketh Vernon Hesketh Prichard, on 25 December 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

PUGs don't do what I say.

And they never will.

If you want team play, join a team. If you insist on PUGging, realise that you're on your own and so is everyone else. If people do work together then that's an unexpected bonus, not something you have a right to expect.

[w0rm]

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Wizard Steve, on 25 December 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

And they never will.

Most will do if you don't sound like a dictator. That's at least my experience when we try to integrate PUGs into our premade.

Edited by Chris K, 26 December 2012 - 07:36 AM.

[Hesketh Vernon Hesketh Prichard]

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Edited by Hesketh Vernon Hesketh Prichard, 25 December 2012 - 02:17 PM.

[RedDragon]

Tarman, on 25 December 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

Then this is the stuff you need to be presenting to rookie pilots, not an air of disgust at their lack of skills. OFC they don't have skills, they're rookies. And how you give advice makes a big difference, not that I'm saying you personally were snarky. Seen some 1337 pilots talk to the rookies like they're bondsmen or slaves. Most people would rather actually lose than listen to a jerkface bark orders at them. And really, 3 entire matches before you quit? Not that representative a study sample you have to admit.

Well I personally don't give that many "commands", because I'm a follower-type myself and am glad if someone other takes the lead. But in most matches there is really not a bit communication, so I try to get at least the basic points to the other players and always in a friendly tone, like "Just stay together guys, then we'll make it" or something. And as a matter of principle I don't reprimand anyone for doing badly. If we lost and all are dead no one needs to rub it into someone's face. I wouldn't want this and I know others don't want it either.
And yes, I quit after 3 matches because when I play for about 30 minutes without any form of reward, I just don't want to play any longer. I play to have fun, not to be annoyed. I can have fun while losing when it is a good match, no problem. But not when nobody cares for anything and there's no trace of team play apparent. I deem my time too precious to waste it on a game that annoys me and isn't fun.
(To clarify - MWO is a fun game and I really like it. When played in teams.)

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Edited by Chris K, 26 December 2012 - 07:37 AM.

[Carnivoris]

More than anything, I just think it's the state of gaming today that's at fault. Most FPS games reward the Rambo-wannabe and the younger generation just can't conceive of anything else. They want to be Rambo in MWO and they get slaughtered for it. They're arrogant little children who keep crying about not wanting to do voice chat or any other sort of team work and getting obliterated on the battlefield. I honestly think the biggest problem with this game is the players.

[Wizard Steve]

Wizard Steve, on 25 December 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

And they never will.

w0rm, on 25 December 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

Most will do if you don't sound like a dictator.

True enough.

My favourite dictators are the ones that say "Go tunnel" and then when everyone goes ridge instead, they meekly follow and say "Go ridge" instead. Bless.

[Vanguard319]

I'm gonna say the latter, ppl see there's no reward for capping, they won't defend, therefore the ppl who don't care about money cap for wins. The reward ppl qq about it because they are unable to see the value of defense, (namely the cappers are coming to you, and you can slaughter their lights before dealing with heavier opponents.)

[Zeke Steiner]

Carnivoris, on 25 December 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

More than anything, I just think it's the state of gaming today that's at fault. Most FPS games reward the Rambo-wannabe and the younger generation just can't conceive of anything else. They want to be Rambo in MWO and they get slaughtered for it. They're arrogant little children who keep crying about not wanting to do voice chat or any other sort of team work and getting obliterated on the battlefield. I honestly think the biggest problem with this game is the players.

Be fair, not every commander is going to give the right advice. Those who blah about staying on the defensive only win because of those ***** rambos while a good player can go out on their own and pick the enemy apart, sew discord among their ranks and open the way for the rest of the team. *not talking about a good light pilot, as of this latest patch, talking about being a good light pilot is a moot point. The bad light pilots are the ones that stand still.

[pedropars]

Got to agree with the OP, awhile ago people would at least try to come up with a plan,now if you ask on team chat : Do we got a plan?

half the team answers something like this : Win,KIll everyone,etc...

Seriously people there is a difference between "whats the objective" and "whats our plan "

[Tarman]

RedDragon, on 25 December 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Well I personally don't give that many "commands", because I'm a follower-type myself and am glad if someone other takes the lead. But in most matches there is really not a bit communication, so I try to get at least the basic points to the other players and always in a friendly tone, like "Just stay together guys, then we'll make it" or something. And as a matter of principle I don't reprimand anyone for doing badly. If we lost and all are dead no one needs to rub it into someone's face. I wouldn't want this and I know others don't want it either.
And yes, I quit after 3 matches because when I play for about 30 minutes without any form of reward, I just don't want to play any longer. I play to have fun, not to be annoyed. I can have fun while losing when it is a good match, no problem. But not when nobody cares for anything and there's no trace of team play apparent. I deem my time too precious to waste it on a game that annoys me and isn't fun.
(To clarify - MWO is a fun game and I really like it. When played in teams.)


lol

Coolio, I can respect that angle, because pugging is sometimes a labour of love. I like it because I like the challenge of dropping randomly and seeing what can happen. I try not to get too worked up about winning or losing in a pug because of how random the match is by nature. You could end up facing a double 4-man against you and seven total rookies. Other times it's a fairly even match with good pilots and play on both sides. Some nights it's all great and epic battles, and sometimes it's eight 0-8 blowouts in a row. Not everyone is cool with the chaos of a pug because with the wrong viewpoint on it, they could be super obnoxious. For me, I see it as bashing around in robot Valhalla till CW gets here, and then it's off to a real unit for some war grit.

[Hesketh Vernon Hesketh Prichard]

Wizard Steve, on 25 December 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

True enough.

My favourite dictators are the ones that say "Go tunnel" and then when everyone goes ridge instead, they meekly follow and say "Go ridge" instead. Bless.

This is perfect example, Ill say it here, If you see me on frozen city and im not a light, YOU'LL MEET ME IN THE TUNNEL OF LOVE! If im light, You'll see me... but it wont be tunnel. This level if done right IS TUNNEL RUSH CITY! If you don't, You lose. And if you do and you lose, Someones not doing there job or YOUR SHOOTING YOUR OWN TEAM AND NOT FOCUSING FIRE!

Thats another problm... Really poor maps! Especially of late! i.e, NEW MAPS SUCK! Well, if you want call them new. River city, worst map EASY. Preople who moan about caustic just dont understand heat management lol

Edited by Hesketh Vernon Hesketh Prichard, 25 December 2012 - 02:42 PM.