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[chimerathon]

chiXnhawk, on 27 January 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

lol. Kong...We surrender... It's our fault for not practicing the 5-1-0-2 drop dec. The 6 P's. There are only 3 that matter tho...

Your members seemed to think we were boasting by uploading that video for some reason; not the case, I just thought it was good footage. I did some quick editing, looked up who you were so I could title it, and threw the video up on my channel to show MWO general on /vg/ as I often do. That is the only place I posted it until apparently some of your members googled themselves out of vanity.

You are correct however -- it is entirely your fault for "not practicing 5-1-0-2" because nobody cares about weight spread except people who do RHOD. Casually dropping in the 8 man queue, we were not inclined to specifically allow our enemies to outweigh us by enforcing asinine restrictions.

[GaussDragon]

chimerathon, on 27 January 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

Casually dropping in the 8 man queue, we were not inclined to specifically allow our enemies to outweigh us by enforcing asinine restrictions.

Except that taking 5 assaults makes you look asinine.

[chimerathon]

GaussDragon, on 27 January 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

Except that taking 5 assaults makes you look asinine.

Perhaps among an insular crowd of players who consider themselves to be "competitive", it might look foolish. Our eight man pick-up simply chose their favorite mechs, and it so happened that they felt like big heavy brawlers. It doesn't seem odd to me. What does seem odd to me is for a group who considers their matchup to be unbalanced if one side is heavier, to specifically take lighter mechs. Now that is asinine.

[stun]

chimerathon, on 27 January 2013 - 11:00 PM, said:

What does seem odd to me is for a group who considers their matchup to be unbalanced if one side is heavier, to specifically take lighter mechs. Now that is asinine.

I can't remember a competitive online MW league that didn't use a drop tonnage limit in matches (W!O, NBT, MWL?) and I've been in a bunch. So not sure where your getting that statement from. Even with the basecap in place you both had 2 lights on each side so I couldn't even see you argueing the lighter team would have any advantage at all.

[machine]

chimerathon, on 27 January 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

Your members seemed to think we were boasting by uploading that video for some reason; not the case, I just thought it was good footage. I did some quick editing, looked up who you were so I could title it, and threw the video up on my channel to show MWO general on /vg/ as I often do. That is the only place I posted it until apparently some of your members googled themselves out of vanity.

You are correct however -- it is entirely your fault for "not practicing 5-1-0-2" because nobody cares about weight spread except people who do RHOD. Casually dropping in the 8 man queue, we were not inclined to specifically allow our enemies to outweigh us by enforcing asinine restrictions.

honestly we are bored, you responded to the troll, we threw gas on the fire. you guys arent half bad. you should compete. if we can challenge your manhood and make you compete, one more competitor in RHoD

[chimerathon]

stun, on 27 January 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

I can't remember a competitive online MW league that didn't use a drop tonnage limit in matches (W!O, NBT, MWL?) and I've been in a bunch. So not sure where your getting that statement from. Even with the basecap in place you both had 2 lights on each side so I couldn't even see you argueing the lighter team would have any advantage at all.

I'm aware that tonnage was a team balance metric in other MechWarrior games, and also that the same logic is trying to be applied to MWO. Not everyone agrees that this is ideal, but what people believe about this matter is not at issue. The fact remains that they only have themselves to blame for dropping randomly with a self-enforced weight. After all, there is nothing at stake in the 8 man queue, and the only people who took this matter seriously were KaoS when they imagined that Kong was gloating about some random victory over them. We were not, and they may feel free to believe that they only lost because of a weight difference if they want to; it is of no consequence to anybody but them. Kong has no face to save.

[GaussDragon]

chimerathon, on 27 January 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

and they may feel free to believe that they only lost because of a weight difference if they want to

Oh KONG, you funny. I'm seriously starting to think you don't play in tournaments because you want to pretend that all the other teams won't completely **** on you.

[machine]

chimerathon, on 27 January 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

I'm aware that tonnage was a team balance metric in other MechWarrior games, and also that the same logic is trying to be applied to MWO. Not everyone agrees that this is ideal, but what people believe about this matter is not at issue. The fact remains that they only have themselves to blame for dropping randomly with a self-enforced weight. After all, there is nothing at stake in the 8 man queue, and the only people who took this matter seriously were KaoS when they imagined that Kong was gloating about some random victory over them. We were not, and they may feel free to believe that they only lost because of a weight difference if they want to; it is of no consequence to anybody but them. Kong has no face to save.

WE TOOK IT VERY SERIOUSLY> I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUE - AL

[chimerathon]

GaussDragon, on 28 January 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

Oh KONG, you funny. I'm seriously starting to think you don't play in tournaments because you want to pretend that all the other teams won't completely **** on you.

You and machine have some kind of good-cop\bad-cop dynamic going on right now. You're funny guys, but you're not really representing your group very articulately. I appreciate the sentiment, machine, but we're just not organized enough at this point to figure out who would best represent Kong in a competitive setting, nor to set up practices. Maybe after CW.

[ConnorSinclair]

chimerathon, on 28 January 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

You and machine have some kind of good-cop\bad-cop dynamic going on right now. You're funny guys, but you're not really representing your group very articulately. I appreciate the sentiment, machine, but we're just not organized enough at this point to figure out who would best represent Kong in a competitive setting, nor to set up practices. Maybe after CW.

Not to mention we can't even agree on the current rules, **** the red square and **** PGI's idea of gametypes.

[Dustmuffins]

ConnorSinclair, on 27 January 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

lol Keith the aimbot, PFA HA HA HA HA HA.

That's a joke. Keith is by far the worst player on our team.

Nice job.

But don't let that stop you from beating your meat harder than a screen door in a tordado.

Kong is just another unit that loves to brag in forums, but if they don't have a +300 ton advantage, they will get rolled by a good team.

Edited by Dustmuffins, 28 January 2013 - 06:32 AM.

[Leimrey]

Unlike some tryhard units out there, most of the Kong members don't give a rat's butt about competitiveness and are just casual players playing for fun. This is one the reasons we have never tried and will probably never try RHOD, unless we gather a team of relatively skilled players who find RHOD rules fun. Basically, this means that Kaos was beaten by a team of randoms who never practiced playing together seriously as a team, had minimal coordination (not to diminish Chim's warboss skills here, but we do have minimal teamwork compared to other units) and no plan or strategy before the battle. Kong does not create pre defined behavior patterns based on their team composition and builds, we just take the mechs we find fun and roll with them. We field jenners and srm (not streak) commandos in our 8mans, that should tell you something about us.

Regarding RHOD rules, we have been trying to do balanced team drops resembling the 2-2-2-2 format and were moderately successful, but it's hard to judge how good we are in this format in general, because our team composition (the players) differs almost completely from one 8man to another and we haven't done many drops yet. However, we do have some truly amazing pilots in each weightclass and would probably be very successful, but most of them don't bother with 8mans at all due to a combination of different factors (the biggest of them being is that they do not find them fun).

Yes, we had the weight advantage in that match, but if you guys are supposed to be so good and tacticool, then why didn't you roll us with your master plan or something? Fact is, you made a tactical mistake of going into an open brawl with a heavier team of brawlers and you payed for it. Stop spilling your hurtbutt onto the forums. Before this match, we all knew you are one of the strongest units out there, now we also know that you're a bunch of insecure old men who cannot handle a loss to random guys on the internet and need to troll the other team to salvage their egos. Good job.

Edited by Leimrey, 28 January 2013 - 07:18 AM.

[chiXnhawk]

Kong no worries mate. We post videos up all the time. Just we make them private for our guys so they can see what we practice even when they all can't play. We do how ever always run RHOD drop decs just because in random 8's we practice new strats and builds for when games matter. Tighten them up and show case them. Normally we don't mind other teams videos I think the thing that grabbed our attention was at the end when a couple of your guys called us trash and said we were lame for our builds. I thought that was funny when we were out tonned by 300+ tons. It's like you won but still found a way to complain about it. We lose all the time. It's not a very big deal unless the match is close and one of our guys ***** up bad. Other then that we expect to lose some while we try new tatics and builds. It's how we stay ahead of the curve. But good luck to you guys and never use the phrase " Voltron"

[Glory in the Highest]

I have seen a lot of teams, in the past couple months, crowing about beating one of the prominent competitive teams' 8-mans in a random 8. I'd say all teams lose a fair amount in random 8s, they're where you test things for your matches if you are a league player. And when your practice is on the clock, and you have a goal to accomplish, and you've got a couple hours of peoples' valuable time in your hands, you don't really want to be spending it on a 15 minute siege.

I think when Phase 3 rolls out we'll be seeing some very different behavior from the RHOD teams.

[chiXnhawk]

Leimrey, on 28 January 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

Unlike some tryhard units out there, most of the Kong members don't give a rat's butt about competitiveness and are just casual players playing for fun. This is one the reasons we have never tried and will probably never try RHOD, unless we gather a team of relatively skilled players who find RHOD rules fun. Basically, this means that Kaos was beaten by a team of randoms who never practiced playing together seriously as a team, had minimal coordination (not to diminish Chim's warboss skills here, but we do have minimal teamwork compared to other units) and no plan or strategy before the battle. Kong does not create pre defined behavior patterns based on their team composition and builds, we just take the mechs we find fun and roll with them. We field jenners and srm (not streak) commandos in our 8mans, that should tell you something about us.

I like now that we're back to being a tryhard unit. Goons call us pubbie mercs.
So the only thing I'm getting here is your trying to say that we're bad because you don't practice or adhere to any tournament rules so you took 5 asslts against us which translates to your pure skillz and our lack there of for having 2 asslts? You non comforming rebels of the mech universe. What are you going to do when CW comes out and they have limits? Suck? Suck hard? Or suck harder?Make sure you hide in your heavier decs now while you can. Wait you could be a make believe pubbie merc team that refuses to join CW and stay in scrub pubbie merc games. So never mind you could be leet foreva...

Leimrey, on 28 January 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

Regarding RHOD rules, we have been trying to do balanced team drops resembling the 2-2-2-2 format and were moderately successful, but it's hard to judge how good we are in this format in general, because our team composition (the players) differs almost completely from one 8man to another and we haven't done many drops yet. However, we do have some truly amazing pilots in each weightclass and would probably be very successful, but most of them don't bother with 8mans at all due to a combination of different factors (the biggest of them being is that they do not find them fun).

Is it me or did you just contradict your first paragraph? Now your saying you tried to join tournaments and practies their format but just suck at it? You don't find them fun because on a level playing field you lose at it? That I understand. it's hard to keep a team playing together when there is the stress of losing all the time.

Leimrey, on 28 January 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

Yes, we had the weight advantage in that match, but if you guys are supposed to be so good and tacticool, then why didn't you roll us with your master plan or something? Fact is, you made a tactical mistake of going into an open brawl with a heavier team of brawlers and you payed for it. Stop spilling your hurtbutt onto the forums. Before this match, we all knew you are one of the strongest units out there, now we also know that you're a bunch of insecure old men who cannot handle a loss to random guys on the internet and need to troll the other team to salvage their egos. Good job.

Ah Sally, can I call you Sally?
Sally , stay in the yard with the gate closed and come in the house when the street lights come on. It's not safe at night. You know what happened to Kong? "Voltron" pinned him against the Empire State building and let a billion little swimming SRM's in him. Don't worry tho I see massive improvments in Kongs skillz in 9 months.

Love always as I will always love you
_chiXnhawk_ ( lord and supreme commander of KaoS Legion - The Red Lion -)

Edited by chiXnhawk, 28 January 2013 - 07:42 AM.

[Leimrey]

chiXnhawk, on 28 January 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

Kong no worries mate. We post videos up all the time. Just we make them private for our guys so they can see what we practice even when they all can't play. We do how ever always run RHOD drop decs just because in random 8's we practice new strats and builds for when games matter. Tighten them up and show case them. Normally we don't mind other teams videos I think the thing that grabbed our attention was at the end when a couple of your guys called us trash and said we were lame for our builds. I thought that was funny when we were out tonned by 300+ tons. It's like you won but still found a way to complain about it. We lose all the time. It's not a very big deal unless the match is close and one of our guys ***** up bad. Other then that we expect to lose some while we try new tatics and builds. It's how we stay ahead of the curve. But good luck to you guys and never use the phrase " Voltron"

Hey, nobody called you trash in the video. I do not want to speak for the person who dropped the phrase "come here, fool", but I think he said what he said because he found it funny that one of your ravens legged himself due to collision damage (or thought he did so) and the phrase "these guys aren't half bad" was actually a compliment and kong is VERY stingy with compliments to their opposition.

[chiXnhawk]

Don't worry mate. After reading your post which I think you put up while I was typing that I'd like to retract that whole post. So dis reguard that one and instead please see my post with your many , many wounderful quotes in it. Thank you for not smoking.

[Leimrey]

chiXnhawk, on 28 January 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

So the only thing I'm getting here is your trying to say that we're bad because you don't practice or adhere to any tournament rules so you took 5 asslts against us which translates to your pure skillz and our lack there of for having 2 asslts?

The only thing I'm getting here is your failed troll attempt by putting the words into my mouth. Nobody called you bad in the video, so you can stop whining.

chiXnhawk, on 28 January 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

You non comforming rebels of the mech universe.

No, only people who just want to have fun and drop with their favorite mechs. People who actually play 8mans the way they were implemented by PGI (selection of mechs without any wegihtclass or build restriction), without imposing some artificial rules on ourselves. Not everybody adheres or even wants to adhere to RHOD rules, you will just have to deal with in the current 8man que.

chiXnhawk, on 28 January 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

What are you going to do when CW comes out and they have limits? Suck? Suck hard? Or suck harder?

I guess we will be doing what we've always been doing - dropping with our favorite mechs. We have a lot of good pilots who like different weightclasses, but do not like 8mans in general. Yes, I know it sounds like an excuse, but most of our 8man teams are nowhere close to the A team we could field. Feel free to mock me on this, but it's true. I really hope this will change once PGI balances 8mans in the future.

chiXnhawk, on 28 January 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

Make sure you hide in your heavier decs now while you can.

Funny you say that, because Kong is quite often underweight in 8mans, just not this particular match. We're almost always out ECMed too.

chiXnhawk, on 28 January 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

Is it me or did you just contradict your first paragraph? Now your saying you tried to join tournaments and practies their format but just suck at it?

I see you're as bad at reading comprehension as you're at being a subtle troll. From what I know, Kong has never practiced RHOD rules to actually compete in RHOD, we sometimes drop in the 2-2-2-2 format just for fun, that doesn't mean we will ever field a RHOD team, though, mostly because the majority of our good pilots do not find the rules fun.


I think I'll abstain from commenting on the rest of your pathetic attempt at trolling. But do keep up with the attempts to salvage you ego. A lot of our members are finding them fun to read, so please continue to entertain us even out of the game.

Oh, and I think I'm done with this thread. Do not expect a response from me here, but feel free to have the last word.

Edited by Leimrey, 28 January 2013 - 08:16 AM.

[Glory in the Highest]

[chiXnhawk]

ah Sally , the only ego movement on the slider here is Kong's. We know what we can do. What we've done is get better and better. Built more so for theroy crafting in 8's for matches against other teams trying to do the same thing. In tournaments. In the end unfortunately no one ever remembers the random 8 man teams or even considers any of them as being good. It's only teams that play for something. As you guys don't play for anything but fun? If thats the case why try to brag about being good? I mean if it means that much in the long run and what I gather from a lot of your teams posts it does to you. Why don't you try to prove it? Trying to say that you win more then lose while out tonning every team you play is strange. I'm glad I'm entertaining your team but I promise you that a pubbie team that only plays pubs with " no rules" the rest of the competetive gaming teams are just laughing at you. I know we are. But I hope you guys do get better and try to swim in deep waters. IMHO I don't see why anyone would make a team and not want to compete. Isn't that the point? Everyone wants to be the best at what they do. Don't you guys?