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[Orgasmo]

The Stalker puts out an incredibly amount of hurt, way more dangerous than any Awesome if you are standing toe to toe with it. Even my Atlas can't generally dish out that much pain. However, the Awesome is a much better brawler and you can run circles around most Stalkers if you know what you're doing.

[xXDivoXx]

Hello EveryBody.... May God Bless you All with Long life and Prosperity Sorry for my Mistakes i am A Russian

So....Awesome or Stalker..... Let us See
First thing we are not fighting inside Vacum 1vs1 Awesome
1)Armor The differance if you cut the Legs .. is just 4 points on side torso and 8 points on center torso 100 /108 68/72
So not so much big of a Differance .. Stalker has Very big Center and high profile and he cannot spread the damage Like Awesome his side Torso are huje and that is Good ! more damage can be taken
The Fear Factor ... Because Everyone is scared of the New Stalker you will be the Target Imho i will shoot stalker too if i See him and Awesome right next to him because it is easier to hit .... and there is no point shooting his side Torso cuz he have half of the weapons on the other side
So 1 point to Awesome and 1 Point to Stalker

2)Seccond engine The Max engine of Stalker is 305(12 heat sinks slots) //and max speed with this 58 wich is bad compare to Awesome he has 385 (15)max engine and 78 speed that means Awesome can Carry more than 19 double heat sinks it is no problem adding 1 double heat sinks inside each part To be honest you can add 2 inside side torsos and 1 in the arm so it will be 20 and have no problem heat... Awesome is heat neutral..... Stalker is Not he has Heat Problems
So that is 1 point for Speed and 1 Point for Heat to Awesome And if you Speed tweak it You even Get a Lag Shiled speed will be 85

3)Weapons we already know that More Weapons is not the Best Thing in MWO ok Stalker has more slots but Can he Use them? how long? it wont be Enough + we must understand the lags that sometimes we miss because he is carrying a lot of missle weapons he has to take CASE .... So Stalker for me is 1 Trick Pony any build he will always be Hot..... Plus he Has no Arms.......Like AwesomeHas....

Final Verdict ... if you want to be Support Mech.... who is a Pu-SSy on the Battlefield who has to shoot the Backs of other Mechs
and cannot change it's derection because of slow Speed...... Or to be a long Range Willy Sniper Take Stalker....

If you want to be Brawler that is Mobile ..can Run away from what he cannot beat.... Just dont Use XL ....and Drugs ... they are Bad for Awesome .... If you want to see other mechs in fight shutting down constantly fighting you .....
And if you want to Scare all the Mediums ... when they try to Blow your Torso and you still Live and Have a Punch ... Use Awesome 9M .... he can be a Very Good Zombie Mech and Longr range and anything in Between

Edited by xXDivoXx, 25 December 2012 - 11:58 PM.

[SkyCake]

it was 3v1 near the end of the match, me in an AWS-9M versus two stalkers and an atlas... guess who won??

i did! why??? has little to do with this mech or that mech, although my nearly double speed did give me a fair advantage over my enemies... but the major factor is pilot skill and strategy... if they had not allowed themselves to get split up, they would have won, easily... if they would have put their backs up against the wall instead of letting me circle, they would have had me... if they had aimed better, again i would have died... and if i had been piloting an urbanmech, and they had played as they did, i still would have won!

[GalaxyBluestar]

SkyCake, on 25 December 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

it was 3v1 near the end of the match, me in an AWS-9M versus two stalkers and an atlas... guess who won??

i did! why??? has little to do with this mech or that mech, although my nearly double speed did give me a fair advantage over my enemies... but the major factor is pilot skill and strategy... if they had not allowed themselves to get split up, they would have won, easily... if they would have put their backs up against the wall instead of letting me circle, they would have had me... if they had aimed better, again i would have died... and if i had been piloting an urbanmech, and they had played as they did, i still would have won!

yes good points but i'm not sure if it's adressing the main query. wouldn't you have performed better in a stalker or not? really it seems cannon wise the assault sniper has become the bigger speed brawler in MWO.

[GalaxyBluestar]

xXDivoXx, on 25 December 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

Hello EveryBody.... May God Bless you All with Long life and Prosperity Sorry for my Mistakes i am A Russian

So....Awesome or Stalker..... Let us See
First thing we are not fighting inside Vacum 1vs1 Awesome
1)Armor The differance if you cut the Legs .. is just 4 points on side torso and 8 points on center torso 100 /108 68/72
So not so much big of a Differance .. Stalker has Very big Center and high profile and he cannot spread the damage Like Awesome his side Torso are huje and that is Good ! more damage can be taken
The Fear Factor ... Because Everyone is scared of the New Stalker you will be the Target Imho i will shoot stalker too if i See him and Awesome right next to him because it is easier to hit .... and there is no point shooting his side Torso cuz he have half of the weapons on the other side
So 1 point to Awesome and 1 Point to Stalker

2)Seccond engine The Max engine of Stalker is 305(12 heat sinks slots) //and max speed with this 58 wich is bad compare to Awesome he has 385 (15)max engine and 78 speed that means Awesome can Carry more than 19 double heat sinks it is no problem adding 1 double heat sinks inside each part To be honest you can add 2 inside side torsos and 1 in the arm so it will be 20 and have no problem heat... Awesome is heat neutral..... Stalker is Not he has Heat Problems
So that is 1 point for Speed and 1 Point for Heat to Awesome And if you Speed tweak it You even Get a Lag Shiled speed will be 85

3)Weapons we already know that More Weapons is not the Best Thing in MWO ok Stalker has more slots but Can he Use them? how long? it wont be Enough + we must understand the lags that sometimes we miss because he is carrying a lot of missle weapons he has to take CASE .... So Stalker for me is 1 Trick Pony any build he will always be Hot..... Plus he Has no Arms.......Like AwesomeHas....

Final Verdict ... if you want to be Support Mech.... who is a Pu-SSy on the Battlefield who has to shoot the Backs of other Mechs
and cannot change it's derection because of slow Speed...... Or to be a long Range Willy Sniper Take Stalker....

If you want to be Brawler that is Mobile ..can Run away from what he cannot beat.... Just dont Use XL ....and Drugs ... they are Bad for Awesome .... If you want to see other mechs in fight shutting down constantly fighting you .....
And if you want to Scare all the Mediums ... when they try to Blow your Torso and you still Live and Have a Punch ... Use Awesome 9M .... he can be a Very Good Zombie Mech and Longr range and anything in Between

ladies and gentlemen i think we've got the first complete and consice winning argument. funny thing is i got my awesome to be a sniper with a big punch... yeah i was heading for the cheesy builds section but the awesome is better as a brawler which is disapointing for me cause they were'nt supposed to be and with 250-300 aussie ping i've been trying to avoid laggy moments. guess i'll be a jerk in a stalker still but thank you very much for putting forward a good argument.

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 26 December 2012 - 12:06 AM.

[GrabbleRus]

It's a completely different mechs. You should choose one depending on your playstyle. Basically it's a no-arms-missile boat vs laserboat mech with arms.

Well, personaly i disliked Awesome for many years. No special love for Stalker either, but i think it's the best breakthrough mech in game for now. Awesome has some unique builds (something like giant laser Hunchback without a hunch), but they're not to my liking.

Edited by GrabbleRus, 26 December 2012 - 12:11 AM.

[xXDivoXx]

Glad that You Like Mate Dont Get Dissapoint in Awesome .. now with his Head Box is Gone ... it is a Super Brawler nothing like A Fast Assault on your screen that you cannot run Away from

[GalaxyBluestar]

xXDivoXx, on 26 December 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Glad that You Like Mate Dont Get Dissapoint in Awesome .. now with his Head Box is Gone ... it is a Super Brawler nothing like A Fast Assault on your screen that you cannot run Away from

yes but... it wasn't what i had in mind when i brought it oh well i can brawl and have enjoyed it but i've got to get into one of these stalkers and find out how good it does at sniping, i like brawling it's far more skilled play with the awearness and dancing involved as opposed to look at a slow moving object shoot ha ha ha you're dead. however the ping and lag throws me into a great disvantage in multiple mechs closerange fighting so until it's fixed i'll be sniping ya. when i can afford it of course. who said no rnr cured the grind huh

[xXDivoXx]

First Anything that Stalker can do Atlas DC does better with ECM ... so Your Choise should be Obvious but if you want fun... Take the 5s with 5 lasers and 5 missle and boat streaks )
Perssenally i Hate Slow Mechs...... and Awesome for me is like a fresh Breath.... maybe Highlander with its Jump Jets will be Cool To who knows Right now Speed is Very Important in this Game

Remember // Short turn Gain... Long Turn Gain.......
Best Armor ..is not Getting Shot at .... DOODGE )

Edited by xXDivoXx, 26 December 2012 - 12:20 AM.

[GrabbleRus]

xXDivoXx, on 26 December 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

First Anything that Stalker can do Atlas DC does better with ECM ... so Your Choise should be Obvious but if you want fun... Take the 5s with 5 lasers and 5 missle and boat streaks )

1) 5S doesn't have 5 missile hardpoints - only 4. It's 5M you're talking about.
2) I have both Atlases and Stalkers. And D-DC can't do what a 5M Stalker does. Nor do other Atlases. For some reason even 5S can't be compared to 5M.
3) Streaks on Stalker? What a waste. Cause Stalker doesn't have an ECM and cause SRMs are much more fun.

[GalaxyBluestar]

xXDivoXx, on 26 December 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

Remember // Short turn Gain... Long Turn Gain.......
Best Armor ..is not Getting Shot at .... DOODGE )

tell that to fatlases ;P i hated that mech for it's poor speed and even though the armour can seem godlike at time's i just wouldn't go near one to save my life.

[xXDivoXx]

---.--- The ecm is Nerfed Mister GrabbleRus it blocks only the Nearest Mech...form locking on him....
so you can use Streaks now .....

[Kaspirikay]

Stalker is a much more reliable assault than an awesome.

[One Medic Army]

For long-range, I'd take the stalker for the frontal profile and hardpoints
For brawling I'd take an Atlas.

For a fast moving assault I'd take an Awesome 9M, the rest I have no interest in.

[GrabbleRus]

xXDivoXx, on 26 December 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

---.--- The ecm is Nerfed Mister GrabbleRus it blocks only the Nearest Mech...form locking on him....
so you can use Streaks now .....

T_T Read again Think again )

[Lykaon]

The Awesome has some overlap with stalkers as a long range fire support platform.However I would say the Awesome 9M is an exception and can be designed to fill a roll a Stalker can't.

The Awesome 9M can mount a larger engine and reach much higher speeds.It can carry adiquate armor and impressive firepower.All this adds up to a rapid response calvary assault mech.No stalker will ever be fast enough to plug up a gap in the lines or lend support to where it is needed as quickly as needed.

The poor mobility of the stalkers and limited range of motion from torso rotation and arm arcs also places the stalker at a disadvantage when fighting a brawler built awesome.

Essentially I vote Stalker for long range fire support but lean towards Awesomes for multi role and brawling (in particular the Awesome 9M)

[El Bandito]

I have Founder's Atlas. Stalkers always kill me 1v1. Can't out maneuver a Stalker with 100 tons of bulk.

[GalaxyBluestar]

i'm hearing a lot of 9m for the speed brawler win and nothing of other varients like the 8t... makes the awesome look shallow considering it was built with long range fire support in mind.

[PurpleNinja]

Stalker looks better.

[One Medic Army]

GalaxyBluestar, on 26 December 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

i'm hearing a lot of 9m for the speed brawler win and nothing of other varients like the 8t... makes the awesome look shallow considering it was built with long range fire support in mind.

Which would you rather use for long-range support:
The wide mech with low mounted weapons
The phallus on legs mech with high mounted weapons

The fact the Stalker has more hardpoints and 5 more tons at the same speed just makes the choice more obvious.

Edited by One Medic Army, 26 December 2012 - 02:45 AM.