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[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

GaussDragon, on 26 December 2012 - 01:15 AM, said:

The problem with the Jenner isn't the Jenner, it's the netcode. The Jenner F can carry a frightening amount of focused firepower for a light mech but the netcode is such that actually doing that damage against other light mechs is an incredible crap shoot. If the netcode was what it was prior to this new version that was rolled out back in October, the F (and D) would still be quite viable. However, in this environment, streaks are the only thing that reliably damages lights. In short, if the netcode gets fixed, expect the Jenner to make a comeback, but it will take more skill to use to its full potential than the Raven does.

^ Absolutely!

The Jenner is crap against other lights now (Netcode). Especially against ECM-Streak-lights, but that doesn't mean the Jenner is a bad mech. With a fixed netcode, JJ's and knockdowns, the Jenner will get back it's strengths. ECM would make it OP like hell and the community would whine again. You will see hundreds of whining threads like "The Jenner is so much OP " again. Don't give the Jenner ECM!I don't know what you're doing wrong, but i'm still very succesful with my Founder JR7-D and i make my 2 to 4 kills in almost every round. The Jenner isn't a true scout. It's a light brawler. Just support your assault teammates and go for bigger targets. Yes, ECM+Streak scouts can easily kill me, but i can live with that.

[Kaijin]

MonkeyCheese, on 26 December 2012 - 01:53 AM, said:

Jesus people ecm isn't god, you can still do perfectly well with a Jenner or any other non ecm commando or raven as long as you know how to load it and how to drive it and be aware of your surroundings.

The trouble is that with the PUG matchmaker, for every light mech on one side, there will be a light mech on the other. ECM being what it is these days, odds are good that if you drop in a non ECM light, the other side is going to get an ECM light matched for your contribution. So dropping PUG with non-ECM lights is begging for the other side to have more ECM than your team has, thus rendering your team's ECM much less useful.

[Lykaon]

MonkeyCheese, on 26 December 2012 - 01:53 AM, said:

Jesus people ecm isn't god, you can still do perfectly well with a Jenner or any other non ecm commando or raven as long as you know how to load it and how to drive it and be aware of your surroundings.

1. I still constantly drop with friends or as a pug with a commando 1B (1 spl 2ml 1ssrm 126kph) founders jenner (1spl 3sl 1ssrm, no jump jets 136kph) and a 4x raven (1erppc 1ssrm full jump jets 97kph full elite) they all do perfectly well in their harassment roles and my raven is good for sniping and brawling.

2. Light mechs are not missile boats, in general they have far more energy hard points so stop this pathetic I can't do anything cus my streaks won't hit ecm mechs, have streaks as a backup up weapon only and let your energy weapons do the talking.

3. If you are driving a light you need to learn how to take cover and avoid lrms not have this magical bubble save you, cus when an enemy ecm jams you or a tag or narc and the lrms come at you without your magical bubble you are in for a world of pain.

Wondering why the sml pulse finds it's way onto your builds I always felt that weapon was subpar on so many levels that a medium laser was always preferable unless you needed a TAG over more guns.

Your Jenner seems like it's lacking something since I can fit 4 medium lasers and 2 SRM 4 (or 2 SSRM2) jumpjets x3 and hit jenner speed cap .Is it using a standard engine?

The Raven is cute,a PPC poptart.

Some lights are missile boats the 2D commando is a missile centric mech.I have a friend who likes piloting what he calls a Lurmando a commando with TAG and LRMs.


As for streaks vs direct fire weapons,let's face facts streaks will win that fight.They hit almost always they are more heat efficent for the damage done,require only basic brain functions to use effectivly and compensate for netcode issues.

I can not recall ever being killed while piloting my 3L by another light where the vast majority of damage I sustained was not streaks.( I have the 3L mastered and nearly 300k banked XP on it so I have piloted this mech a lot)

I keep hoping for a big nerfing to streaks so we can get back to basics but alas streaks are still vastly superior to nearly any other weapon system.

Edited by Lykaon, 26 December 2012 - 02:54 AM.

[PurpleNinja]

Equip some NARC.
It makes Jenners even more useless.

[MonkeyCheese]

Lykaon, on 26 December 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:

Wondering why the sml pulse finds it's way onto your builds I always felt that weapon was subpar on so many levels that a medium laser was always preferable unless you needed a TAG over more guns.

Your Jenner seems like it's lacking something since I can fit 4 medium lasers and 2 SRM 4 (or 2 SSRM2) jumpjets x3 and hit jenner speed cap .Is it using a standard engine?

actually I was wrong that was my closed beta build i was thinking of, its 2mpl and 1spl 1ssrm on my jenner, otherwise its all heatsinks, quick hit and runs without overheating, 295 xl engine.

[Rivy]

Spirit of the Wolf, on 25 December 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

^This.


I mean really, would it be so much to ask that if you have ECM in disrupt mode, you can't fire streaks either? Right now, streaks + ECM is a near-omnipotent light killer, and with ravens being able to go almost as fast as jenners, that's a bit of an issue.

I still love my jenner, but at this point it's more of a paperweight than a viable mech.

Exactly. I wish all lights would be terrible light hunters, but Ravens tear my Jenner to pieces because they can target and streak me while I can't even tell where they are.

I'd hate to get on the ECM hate bandwagon, but it has made many mechs and builds obsolete. (I own a 3L too though)

[PANZERBUNNY]

Try out an LRM Jenner. They make a great Harasser when they spot the enemy.

[MonkeyCheese]

PANZERBUNNY, on 26 December 2012 - 03:46 AM, said:

Try out an LRM Jenner. They make a great Harasser when they spot the enemy.

Id prefer a lrm commando for the troll

[Jalak Bali]

As an ex-Jenner pilot, I can say they're useless now. They had a slight advantage over Ravens before, which was the bugged jumpjet, so they had a slightly extra mobility in dogfighting. Now that that got nerfed/fixed, to get the same extra mobility as before, you have to sacrifice some stuff that made you either have DPS on par with a Raven 3L or less armor. All that before counting the fact you don't have ECM. Jenners now are only fodders for 3Ls and Commando 2Ds.

People talk about Jenners with SRMs as if Ravens couldn't do the same. Sure, go ahead, pack your Jenner with 2 SRM4s. You're basically a faster, less DPS mini Hunchback 4SP that will die the moment the Ravens and Commandoes decided to primary you. Also good luck aiming SRMs at that speed.

[ShadowDarter]

i cannot count on how many times ive been killed by a jenner or a commando, if you have a fast mind and even faster twitch muscles its a prime mech for you...

but if you see me please stand still.

[Krivvan]

Still seems good to me!



And for an 8v8 example with ECM:



The jump jet nerf is bad, but it's apparently more of a bug than an actual intentional nerf.

As for comparing it to the Commando 2-D, have you realized just how squishy that thing is? 4 Small Lasers alone are more than enough to rip it apart before it gets a good streak into you.

Edited by Krivvan, 26 December 2012 - 05:08 AM.

[Omigir]

Jenner 7D still has the most DPS potential out of all the lights, just needs a friend with ECM. Also just be ready to have to aim with SRMs to get the most use out of it.

[Raven Star]

Don't forget to metion that the Jenner takes damage from even small steps off a rock and "soft" jump jet landings. The raven can drop off a cliff and probably not take any leg damage. The "improved" jump jet mechanics make it very easy to leg your self before the three streak commando pilot running 200+ ping (like that is an accedent) that can't be hit attacks you.

[Baby Bear]

You don't get much for selling mechs and I'd wait for the ECM nerf before throwing a Jenner on the trash heap. Still a great mech. Just fares poor if you are trying to dual Streak Ravens.

[siLve00]

jumpjet ... and ecm.. i sold my jenner.. tho i miss it... it was fun but a raven is just more usefull....

in a premade match only if it would fit in the setup ^^ ( doubt it lol since we didnt use a jenner at all ^^ )