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[Grraarrgghh]

Christ just remove ECM from PUG drops so we can stop seeing idiotic threads full of whiners.

8-mans and clans are handling ECM fine, only terrible pubbies think it breaks the game.

[Thorqemada]

I dont like ECM in its current iteration but its beta bcs they will throw in stuff to test in a "real life" environment.
Players always exploit/minmax/optimize the hell out of anything given to them so...lets test it till its adjusted right.

[Kousagi]

ECM is fine right now. SSRM's are still OP, Lagshield is what makes lights cheese ball, and LRM's still hit way too hard.

As ECM is not what is currently making light mechs OP, its streaks. It is why the Raven/Commando are currently better then the jenners, cause they can use streaks and the jenner can't. Plus lag shield, but hey.

Edited by Kousagi, 02 January 2013 - 07:48 AM.

[Codejack]

Grraarrgghh, on 02 January 2013 - 07:34 AM, said:

Christ just remove ECM from PUG drops so we can stop seeing idiotic threads full of whiners.

8-mans and clans are handling ECM fine, only terrible pubbies think it breaks the game.

Kousagi, on 02 January 2013 - 07:45 AM, said:

ECM is fine right now. SSRM's are still OP, Lagshield is what makes lights cheese ball, and LRM's still hit way too hard.

As ECM is not what is currently making light mechs OP, its streaks. It is why the Raven/Commando are currently better then the jenners, cause they can use streaks and the jenner can't. Plus lag shield, but hey.

This made me LOL

[AlexEss]

no ECM = return of the missile of doom scenario.

I think the game is a bit more tactical right now. (or it could be that i am part of a recon lance)

That does not equal that i think it should not see future balancing. Just that i prefer it in rather then out.

[Grraarrgghh]

It's a sad kind of hilarity.

[Kelb]

ECM is till unbalanced, but it does add more to the game.

[shintakie]

AlexEss, on 02 January 2013 - 08:12 AM, said:

no ECM = return of the missile of doom scenario.

I think the game is a bit more tactical right now. (or it could be that i am part of a recon lance)

That does not equal that i think it should not see future balancing. Just that i prefer it in rather then out.

They showed signs that they realized streaks and LRMs were overpowered and were makin attempts to balance them. They've since stated that ECM in its current state is fine in podcasts multiple times.

[Kousagi]

Codejack, on 02 January 2013 - 08:07 AM, said:

This made me LOL

Oh? The please do tell, why did everyone go from saying the Jenner was OP, to Streak cat is OP, to Raven is OP.... Maybe, Just maybe, its lag shield, and Streaks... not ECM. As jenners were staying alive due to lag shield, Streak cats in turn could 1 shot jenners without having to really aim, But people found out that streak cats also worked vs anything, with all the shake/smoke and only targeting the 3 torso sections.

Then ECM came out, this limited the use of Streaks, streaks themselves have not changed at all since them days, as the two nerfs they are meant to get have yet to come in to the game. So then comes the rise of ECM mechs, why? 'Cause they get to use streaks while denying the use of streaks to everyone else. Couple that with the light mechs lag shield, and you get 1 light mech that comes out on top, cause well, he can **** other light mechs without much effective return fire. Then Lag shield keeps him protected vs anything heavier as well, leaving him pretty cheesy.

Funny thing too, is that pretty much Every ECM mech that can carry missiles has streaks on it, Even the atlas... As their common setup is 2 LL, 1 Guass, 3 SSRM's. Its rare to find one with SRM's, though the ballistic does it swapped out for other ones a good bit.

Now, If streaks were not so effective, and were something along the lines of small lasers, or MG's where their usefulness was limited, would anymore care that ECM blocked them? I mean If there was something that stopped Flamers and MG's from doing damage to you, would you use it? Nope, cause it has no use. ECM does not stop direct fire weapons from wasting you, So why do people count ECM so OP? If LRM's were useless too, would anyone care about ECM? Would any mech even take ECM if tracked missiles were duds? I think not.

So In the end, its a item stopping OP weapons and allowing the owner of the item to use them... that is why people call it powerful, not because itself is powerful, but because it supports/denys the powerful weapons.

Edited by Kousagi, 02 January 2013 - 08:31 AM.

[GODzillaGSPB]

Codejack, on 02 January 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

The only strategy in the game right now is loading out to complement your team. Once the round starts, everything is tactical.

Well, maybe.

Doesn't change the fact that when saying the LRM was a tactical weapon before then it is more tactical now than it ever was.

[Codejack]

Kousagi, on 02 January 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:

Oh? The please do tell, why did everyone go from saying the Jenner was OP, to Streak cat is OP, to Raven is OP.... Maybe, Just maybe, its lag shield, and Streaks... not ECM. As jenners were staying alive due to lag shield, Streak cats in turn could 1 shot jenners without having to really aim, But people found out that streak cats also worked vs anything, with all the shake/smoke and only targeting the 3 torso sections.

Then ECM came out, this limited the use of Streaks, streaks themselves have not changed at all since them days, as the two nerfs they are meant to get have yet to come in to the game. So then comes the rise of ECM mechs, why? 'Cause they get to use streaks while denying the use of streaks to everyone else. Couple that with the light mechs lag shield, and you get 1 light mech that comes out on top, cause well, he can **** other light mechs without much effective return fire. Then Lag shield keeps him protected vs anything heavier as well, leaving him pretty cheesy.

Funny thing too, is that pretty much Every ECM mech that can carry missiles has streaks on it, Even the atlas... As their common setup is 2 LL, 1 Guass, 3 SSRM's. Its rare to find one with SRM's, though the ballistic does it swapped out for other ones a good bit.

Now, If streaks were not so effective, and were something along the lines of small lasers, or MG's where their usefulness was limited, would anymore care that ECM blocked them? I mean If there was something that stopped Flamers and MG's from doing damage to you, would you use it? Nope, cause it has no use. ECM does not stop direct fire weapons from wasting you, So why do people count ECM so OP? If LRM's were useless too, would anyone care about ECM? Would any mech even take ECM if tracked missiles were duds? I think not.

So In the end, its a item stopping OP weapons and allowing the owner of the item to use them... that is why people call it powerful, not because itself is powerful, but because it supports/denys the powerful weapons.

I can't even find a place to begin here; I disagree with the central assumptions of your argument, i.e. that there were any "OP" weapons to begin with.

Streaks can track, but SRMs weigh less, do more damage, don't require lock-on, etc.

LRMs do a lot of damage at long range and track, but are so slow that you have time to find cover, chew through ammunition in a hurry, are heavy and run hot.


Those are perfectly legitimate trade-offs. If you want to argue that they need further balance, fine, let's have that discussion.

ECM affects enemy mechs at all ranges, produces no heat, is light and small... where is the downside?

Worse yet, as you so clearly point out, ECM didn't solve the problem: Streaks and LRMs are still there, but they can only reliably be used by teams that know they will have ECM themselves, so now only one side gets to use them. How is that better?