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[Krazy Kat]

To OP: Congratulations! To get called for cheating / hacking /exploiting when you are not is the ultimate compliment.

I remember in Quake rocket jumping or killing people with quad axe and everyone said OMG cheater!

I still get a warm fuzzy feeling when that happens.

[Wraith05]

Viper69, on 03 January 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

What I want to know is, how do you know a small number of groups are doing it? I guess you have some insider knowledge that I dont.

Go onto either teamspeak servers. Go through channels look for groups of 6-8. Then Out of those groups you have to figure out if they are sync dropping or 8 manning.

I can tell you right now on comstar EU there is 0 groups
On comstar NA there are 24ish groups of 2-4 in them

1 group of 8 (clan dropships 1)
2 groups 6 (clan dropship 2)
1 group of 5. (clan dropship 3)

Now keep in mind that 8 group could be trying for the 8v8 matchmaker.
And the 6 and 5 may only be 4 man groups with 2 clan members in channel chatting.

So with the numbers on comstar NA. Sync droppers seem few and far between.

[F lan Ker]

S!

There is a lot more people using their own private "team specific" TS/Mumble/Ventrilo servers, so hardly feasible to use ComStar EU/NA as baseline for determining sync drops. But you are right, most of the time I drop on channel to chat if guys are running team already. Good way to pass time while doing PUGs alone.

[Wraith05]

F lan Ker, on 03 January 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

S!

There is a lot more people using their own private "team specific" TS/Mumble/Ventrilo servers, so hardly feasible to use ComStar EU/NA as baseline for determining sync drops. But you are right, most of the time I drop on channel to chat if guys are running team already. Good way to pass time while doing PUGs alone.

Understandably so. But considering that is the publicly open and posted servers here. I would feel it would be a good sample of the grouping population.

[F lan Ker]

S!

Seems NA is more populated than EU now for some reason. Well, not that hard to switch between them if needed.

[Wraith05]

F lan Ker, on 03 January 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

S!

Seems NA is more populated than EU now for some reason. Well, not that hard to switch between them if needed.

Yeah, noticed that also. I'm thinking maybe time zones/prime times?

[F lan Ker]

S!

Easier propably to get tesm together when moving to ComStar NA when NA has more players coming in. EU is populated too, but but as said..timezones

[Lagfest]

Meybe if the population was way up there. but as it is now we need all the players we can get!
the pool is evaporating

[Thirdstar]

Wraith05, on 03 January 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

Understandably so. But considering that is the publicly open and posted servers here. I would feel it would be a good sample of the grouping population.

Have to disagree. In fact it's entirely the other way. If you are a sync dropper you want to do it out of the public eye. Not doing so will lead to legit 4-man teams and 8vs8 teams calling you out.

[Straylight]

Irvine, on 03 January 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

Towards the end of the match one of the OPFOR(dead) starts complaining about how we "sync-dropped" him. There wasn't a premade on our team.

Take it as a compliment! On the (rare) occasions that I get 6 or 7 kills in a match (in a Centurion or Hunchback, mind you), I usually get whined at for cheating. I just chuckle and go on about my day, amused by the knowledge that someone else has let me ruin theirs by getting a handful of lucky shots off.

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P.P.S. There wasn't a mass of ECM, we only had one smart D-DC.

It's the "smart" bit of that that made the difference, not the "D-DC" part. Heck, I've seen teams get completely ruined by one smart COM-2D.

[Irvine]

Straylight, on 03 January 2013 - 09:07 PM, said:

Take it as a compliment! On the (rare) occasions that I get 6 or 7 kills in a match (in a Centurion or Hunchback, mind you), I usually get whined at for cheating.

Everyone who uses mediums is cheating, myself included

[Wraith05]

Thirdstar, on 03 January 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

Have to disagree. In fact it's entirely the other way. If you are a sync dropper you want to do it out of the public eye. Not doing so will lead to legit 4-man teams and 8vs8 teams calling you out.

Entitled to your opinion on it of course third. I am just basing mine on the evidence I see. By all rights you may have a different experience/see different evidence than me and I understand that.

But for me, when I start seeing the same 8 people in the same games 3+times in one night of pugging I'll start accusing them of sync drops. When I see those groups on a normal basis in my games I will see it as a problem. Of course screenshots done around the name and shame rules (if possible) would also make me believe sync dropping is a problem.

But for now the servers I play on when I group I rarely see more than 4 on a team/in a dropship. And when I pug I rarely, if ever see the same 8 names twice in a match. So due to those things my opinion toward sync dropping is that it isn't a problem and doesn't happen often. And I will take the statements on the forums as misinterpretation of a loss or exaggeration until hard evidence is presented that shows otherwise. (and no I don't consider 8 founders on a team as evidence).

Simply my view on it.

[Thirdstar]

Wraith05, on 03 January 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Entitled to your opinion on it of course third. I am just basing mine on the evidence I see. By all rights you may have a different experience/see different evidence than me and I understand that.

But for me, when I start seeing the same 8 people in the same games 3+times in one night of pugging I'll start accusing them of sync drops. When I see those groups on a normal basis in my games I will see it as a problem. Of course screenshots done around the name and shame rules (if possible) would also make me believe sync dropping is a problem.

But for now the servers I play on when I group I rarely see more than 4 on a team/in a dropship. And when I pug I rarely, if ever see the same 8 names twice in a match. So due to those things my opinion toward sync dropping is that it isn't a problem and doesn't happen often. And I will take the statements on the forums as misinterpretation of a loss or exaggeration until hard evidence is presented that shows otherwise. (and no I don't consider 8 founders on a team as evidence).

Simply my view on it.

As I have mentioned in previous threads, posters who think sync dropping is rampant have just as much evidence as posters who think sun dropping is insignificant. Which is to say, none.

[Wraith05]

Thirdstar, on 03 January 2013 - 09:49 PM, said:

As I have mentioned in previous threads, posters who think sync dropping is rampant have just as much evidence as posters who think sun dropping is insignificant. Which is to say, none.

Fair enough.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Many people have been called a cheater or something like that. I remember when using a 6xSRM6 Cat caused soemeone to think I was cheating because 1.) "LRMs don't work at point-blank," 2.) "OK, those were SRMs, but SRMs only deal 1 dmg, so you couldn't have killed me like that," 3.) "No, SRMs deal 1 DMG, not 2," 4.) "No, SRMs in BattleTech ALWAYS did 1 damage, now you're just making things up," followed by 5.) "The devs are straying too far from tabletop and driving away the loyal players by making missiles that powerful."

Just make sure that when you report someone for cheating or griefing, that you state your degree of certainty in the report. Saying that you think somebody cheated due to this, this, and this is a 100% true statement whether or not they cheated; saying that "Somebody cheated because of this, this, and this" might very well be a false statement. The degree of certainty you associate with your statements may have significant impacts on the way your information is received by the audience.



Also,

Thirdstar, on 03 January 2013 - 09:49 PM, said:

As I have mentioned in previous threads, posters who think sync dropping is rampant have just as much evidence as posters who think sun dropping is insignificant. Which is to say, none.

[HC Harlequin]

Biglead, on 03 January 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Not sure why they won't let us wear Merc/clan Tags in game yet. It would probably quiet a lot of players fears when they see how little sync drops happen...

This..

The sad part is the tools that aren't even proud of their unit to say who they are if asked.

[Remarius]

Irvine, on 03 January 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

Was playing in a pug match yesterday and we won 8-0(or 8-1?). It was a fairly good stomp, the high dmg for the other team was ~180. Towards the end of the match one of the OPFOR(dead) starts complaining about how we "sync-dropped" him. There wasn't a premade on our team. I wonder what the next boogeyman will be?

P.S. I wish i would've screenshot-ed the chat.

P.P.S. There wasn't a mass of ECM, we only had one smart D-DC.

How do you know there were no premades on your team out of interest as the order and login varies (our team two nights ago were comparing screens on comms as we logged in so I know that as a fact... well at least for that point in time and possibly affected by us playing on diff continents)?

[StandingCow]

Anyone using teamwork should be banned immediately.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Be proud of being a sync dropper, playing with your friends when PGI(PIG) simply doesn't want you to be doing this.

[Sifright]

Bluescuba, on 03 January 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

LOL the big bad boggey men 4 man premade sync droppers... BS pugs mostly get stomped by pugs this has been know since cb.

PUGGIE 1: MWO should be tailored to puggies as we out number all you goldy premades!

PUGGIE 2: Yeah man, you premades suck, stop trying to make the game about teamwork... lone wolves rule!

[Puggie 1 drops into a match with 7 other puggies; Puggie 2 drops into the same match with 7 other puggies]

PUGGIE 1: Yeah man, I was just in a drop and we trashed a 4 man premaded (maybe even two 4 mans) 8 - 0, losers

PUGGIE 2: Man this game sucks, I was just in a match where the other side sync dropped and stomped us 0 - 8

my favourite part of your scenario is where it implies there are only 16 people left playing mwo....

Now I would have put the numbers a bit higher than that but if even the pgi fanboys think the player numbers are that low...