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[Valleros]

StandingCow, on 04 January 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

Anyone using teamwork should be banned immediately.

Nice straw man you have there. Did you make him yourself, or did someone help?

[Thirdstar]

Valleros, on 04 January 2013 - 05:44 AM, said:

Nice straw man you have there. Did you make him yourself, or did someone help?

You'll note that almost everyone making use of this particular Strawman are in units/clans. Many of them seem to think that they're under attack, which is most certainly just paranoia. They read 'Fair matchmaking' and interpret that as 'KILL ALL PREMADES', it's some sort of mental disease.

Edited by Thirdstar, 04 January 2013 - 05:48 AM.

[Valleros]

Thirdstar, on 04 January 2013 - 05:47 AM, said:

You'll note that almost everyone making use of this particular Strawman are in units/clans. Many of them seem to think that they're under attack, which is most certainly just paranoia. They read 'Fair matchmaking' and interpret that as 'KILL ALL PREMADES', it's some sort of mental disease.

Meh... I lean towards waiting what the devs cobble together in phase 3. This whole argument is useless until then. But I can't resist when I see such an infantile fallacy.

[Thirdstar]

Valleros, on 04 January 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

Meh... I lean towards waiting what the devs cobble together in phase 3. This whole argument is useless until then. But I can't resist when I see such an infantile fallacy.

Better stay off the forums mate, it's pretty much FULL of Strawmen, Reductio Ad Absurdum and Ad Hom attacks. Coming from people who are in demographic range of 30-50 too. It's just sad.

[Valleros]

Thirdstar, on 04 January 2013 - 05:58 AM, said:

Better stay off the forums mate, it's pretty much FULL of Strawmen, Reductio Ad Absurdum and Ad Hom attacks. Coming from people who are in demographic range of 30-50 too. It's just sad.

It would help their case more, if they used the real argument for a mixed que. If pugs could drop without premades, the groups would have difficulties getting a drop. That would be unfair, so an other solution, that is acceptable or tolerable for both, must be found.

This whole argument is completely out of hand. A modus vivendi should be possible.

[Thirdstar]

Valleros, on 04 January 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

It would help their case more, if they used the real argument for a mixed que. If pugs could drop without premades, the groups would have difficulties getting a drop. That would be unfair, so an other solution, that is acceptable or tolerable for both, must be found.

This whole argument is completely out of hand. A modus vivendi should be possible.

Those are so few and far between on the forums now that it's like finding a the Holy Grail.

[Bluescuba]

Sifright, on 04 January 2013 - 02:53 AM, said:

my favourite part of your scenario is where it implies there are only 16 people left playing mwo....

Now I would have put the numbers a bit higher than that but if even the pgi fanboys think the player numbers are that low...

Nope I wasn't implying that at all, the fact of the matter is that pugs do not know who they are dropping with or against... when things go good they act like smug gits, when it goes bad they cry like babies.

Puggies state that they are in the majority; but cry that vitually every game they face 4 man partials or 8 man sync droppers. These two statements cannot both be true. If the puggies are the majority then many times they have been stomped by other pugs... if they are not the majority then the whole phasing of the mm was forced on the majority by a qqing minority.

Which do you think is more likely?

[Thirdstar]

Bluescuba, on 04 January 2013 - 06:37 AM, said:

every game they face 4 man partials or 8 man sync droppers.

No one (no one sane anyway) at all, ever has said this. You're an *** for parroting this line like every ******** premade out there.

I think it's really likely that you don't know what the heck you're talking about. The argument has always, ALWAYS been that it happens often enough to effect enjoyment of the game.

Edited by Thirdstar, 04 January 2013 - 06:43 AM.

[Thunder Lips Express]

big deal, i often get called a cync dropper, it's usually when one team gets there buts handed to them when a team works together. news flash, when there is an atlas with an ecm often people with try to stay in the safety net it provides
just take it as a compliment, or with a grain of salt

[Bluescuba]

Thirdstar, on 04 January 2013 - 06:42 AM, said:

No one (no one sane anyway) at all, ever has said this. You're an *** for parroting this line like every ******** premade out there.

I think it's really likely that you don't know what the heck you're talking about. The argument has always, ALWAYS been that it happens often enough to effect enjoyment of the game.

QQ more... you missed the VIRTUALLY infront of that partial quote... I don't sync drop, I do drop 4 man; and the likelihood is that you come across fewer 4 man partials and 8 man sync droppers than you think you do.... but you have got to have an excuse for sucking soooo bad that you make up the boogieman of 4 man premades and sync droppers to keep a modicum of pride.

[Horned Bull]

I demand a scum.... Oh sorry... A premade indicator, like a bracket that shows teamed up players on the score screen, so the people would stop crying about premades ruining the game when there's no premade, and pubsompers would get the social stigma they deserve.

[Bguk]

Valleros, on 04 January 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

It would help their case more, if they used the real argument for a mixed que. If pugs could drop without premades, the groups would have difficulties getting a drop. That would be unfair, so an other solution, that is acceptable or tolerable for both, must be found.

This whole argument is completely out of hand. A modus vivendi should be possible.

Thirdstar, on 04 January 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

Those are so few and far between on the forums now that it's like finding a the Holy Grail.

If you check the Command Chair section the next phase of matchmaker will have this. Which is probably why you don't see people posting about it.

Korm, on 04 January 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

I demand a scum.... Oh sorry... A premade indicator, like a bracket that shows teamed up players on the score screen, so the people would stop crying about premades ruining the game when there's no premade, and pubsompers would get the social stigma they deserve.

An indicator is sorely needed. Although then the argument would change to something else as someone out in the world of billions will not agree with it.

[Thirdstar]

Bluescuba, on 04 January 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

and the likelihood is that you come across fewer 4 man partials and 8 man sync droppers than you think you do....

No, sorry. Not yours. There's no 'evidence' either way. So no, you DON'T get to say with anymore authority what people are facing than any other random poster on the forums.

Please, stop believing what you shovel. Ain't healthy.

[Wraith05]

Korm, on 04 January 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

I demand a scum.... Oh sorry... A premade indicator, like a bracket that shows teamed up players on the score screen, so the people would stop crying about premades ruining the game when there's no premade, and pubsompers would get the social stigma they deserve.

Although I think your view of normal 2-4 man teams is a bit skewed, I can at least agree with indicator so people won't have an excuse when they lose 0-8 against a group free team.

[Bluescuba]

Thirdstar, on 04 January 2013 - 07:12 AM, said:

No, sorry. Not yours. There's no 'evidence' either way. So no, you DON'T get to say with anymore authority what people are facing than any other random poster on the forums.

Please, stop believing what you shovel. Ain't healthy.

Well the point is that I have not stated anywhere in this thread that there are more puggies, premades or sync droppers. All I have said is that people perceive that there is more of one type or the other based on there results rather than the facts...

So wrong again bud

[Horned Bull]

Wraith05, on 04 January 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

Although I think your view of normal 2-4 man teams is a bit skewed, I can at least agree with indicator so people won't have an excuse when they lose 0-8 against a group free team.

Don't expect from freeborn to love trueborn. Anyway, I think it would cut at least 50-60% of the current whining.

the possible situations:

1. you have a premade on your side, they have a premade on their side, you lose badly = you got outplayed
2. you don't have a premade on your side, they don't have a premade, you lose badly = you got outplayed
3. you don't have a premade on your side, they have a premade, you lose badly = bad luck with matchmaking
4. you have full pub team, they have two 4man premades = whine justified.

Now pretty much everyone cries (almost) every time they lose (even if they had a bad premade on their side) that the other side had A PREMADE, or even worse - a sync drop! It doesn't matter that matchmaker put you to a team of people in trials and the other side had master-level unlocked mechs... The premade is to blame!

[Valore]

I like how 'sync dropper' is something dirty in MWO

It really gives the game its own character. Other games you get hackers, gold farmers and powerlevellers.

Here we have these dirty ****** sync droppers.

[Thirdstar]

Bluescuba, on 04 January 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

I do drop 4 man; and the likelihood is that you come across fewer 4 man partials and 8 man sync droppers than you think you do

You're really no good at revisionism. Quit it.

[Rippthrough]

I probably come across a REAL sync drop perhaps one in every 2-300 drops.

The rest of the time, you got rolled because you suck.

[Pando]

Korm, on 04 January 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

Don't expect from freeborn to love trueborn. Anyway, I think it would cut at least 50-60% of the current whining.

the possible situations:

1. you have a premade on your side, they have a premade on their side, you lose badly = you got outplayed
2. you don't have a premade on your side, they don't have a premade, you lose badly = you got outplayed
3. you don't have a premade on your side, they have a premade, you lose badly = bad luck with matchmaking
4. you have full pub team, they have two 4man premades = whine justified.

Now pretty much everyone cries (almost) every time they lose (even if they had a bad premade on their side) that the other side had A PREMADE, or even worse - a sync drop! It doesn't matter that matchmaker put you to a team of people in trials and the other side had master-level unlocked mechs... The premade is to blame!

Rippthrough, on 04 January 2013 - 07:36 AM, said:

I probably come across a REAL sync drop perhaps one in every 2-300 drops.

The rest of the time, you got rolled because you suck.

This.

Edited by Pando, 04 January 2013 - 07:40 AM.