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#141 Kraven Kor

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:35 PM

View PostSayyid, on 15 January 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:



In a free to play game with no restrictions on account creation this is not going to stop it. At best you stuck your fingure in a hole in a sinking raft. You plugged one leak but there are still a hundred other leaks and only 9 more fingures.


You ban them, they lose all progress. No way to transfer XP, CBills, or MC.

Will it stop it? Maybe, but it will make it much less productive for the perpetrators.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

View PostKraven Kor, on 15 January 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:


You ban them, they lose all progress. No way to transfer XP, CBills, or MC.

Will it stop it? Maybe, but it will make it much less productive for the perpetrators.


I dont doubt it will be a pain in those players backsides but they will start again if they really wanted to. You think about it, if you actually have nothing to lose then whats to stop you from doing it over and over and over until you are successful?

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:51 PM

View PostSayyid, on 15 January 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:


I dont doubt it will be a pain in those players backsides but they will start again if they really wanted to. You think about it, if you actually have nothing to lose then whats to stop you from doing it over and over and over until you are successful?

Time.

I don't know about you, but I don't have the time to devote to creating new hotmail/gmail/yahoo accounts because my MWO accounts are being banned every 3 weeks.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:09 PM

MWO is a pretty slow pace game even at full 150kph.

Good FPS players can seem like they're cheating just because they have ungodly aim.
http://youtu.be/kRMn1tj5-Nc
http://youtu.be/yJlHNu7qhsY

Not to say its impossible people are hacking. But the REALLY good shots are just so far am few I hope it's just people with skill. We all know the netcode is nowhere near straightened out.

#145 MWHawke

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:12 PM

View PostBDU Havoc, on 15 January 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

Time.

I don't know about you, but I don't have the time to devote to creating new hotmail/gmail/yahoo accounts because my MWO accounts are being banned every 3 weeks.


Sadly, there are people who use their time that way.

#146 Pyrrho

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:39 PM

View PostAbstrusity, on 15 January 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

They're called headphones. I've used surround sound or headphones for over a decade. You think people who got good at quake did so because they were good at shooting? That's part of it, but the other parts, the more important parts, are spatial awareness and the timing relating to it.


You, sir, should join a Rocket Arena 3 server with me.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

View PostPando, on 04 January 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

It would do wonders if you had a video, then submitted it to support@mwomercs.com


How are we supposed to GET VIDEOS when we can't even spectate our opponents??

Look here smartasses-----
http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1714726

^^^ this is the 3rd time in a row I've asked the Devs this and they keep avoiding it. You guys COULD help out by making it a bigger issue but until you do, nothing is going to change and the Hackers will take over completely. I'm starting to think I'll have to join them if I want to get any kind of enjoyment out of this game b/c its code and matchmaking is so unbelievably awful but on the other hand I'm way too busy with Career Training right now to even think about gaming, much less the commitment to a paid subscription for anything. :D


View PostFive oh Five Squat, on 15 January 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

Good FPS players can seem like they're cheating just because they have ungodly aim.
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We all know the netcode is nowhere near straightened out.
That's how you know they're cheating, DUH
Also because "Ungodly Aim" legit players in most FPS's are about as common as 900m cockpit shots through trees, most people will never face a true legit on that level even after hundreds of matches. They honest to god comprise 0.015% of any gaming population and yes I've done extensive data sampling on this in much larger FPS's (like CSS, TF2, Quake, Unreal, etc) using databases that exceeded 500,000's

Edited by iller, 15 January 2013 - 04:00 PM.


#148 Druire

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:50 PM

Obviously some players/temas chose the map in advance by editing a certain file.

Its rather strange if you start an 8v8 and land in Alpine...then you realize that most enemy mechs you meet are equipped (ER)PPC only. And I dont speak of Stalkers. Never seen an Atlas PPC equipped only plus a cataphract PPc equipped only plus stalker ppc equipped only and more like that.

PGI please get rid of that possibility to chose the map before you launch by editing....or just make it possible for everyone in menue...but this way its ridicolous

Thanks

LG Druire

#149 Adrienne Vorton

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:07 PM

View PostDruire, on 25 February 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:


PGI please get rid of that possibility to chose the map before you launch by editing....or just make it possible for everyone in menue...but this way its ridicolous

Thanks

LG Druire

/signed...

#150 Penance

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:08 PM

lol, they're called macros

#151 Kunae

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:08 PM

View PostDruire, on 25 February 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

Obviously some players/temas chose the map in advance by editing a certain file. Its rather strange if you start an 8v8 and land in Alpine...then you realize that most enemy mechs you meet are equipped (ER)PPC only. And I dont speak of Stalkers. Never seen an Atlas PPC equipped only plus a cataphract PPc equipped only plus stalker ppc equipped only and more like that. PGI please get rid of that possibility to chose the map before you launch by editing....or just make it possible for everyone in menue...but this way its ridicolous Thanks LG Druire

It was so necessary to necro this?

#152 Matthew Craig

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:12 PM

As we've stated if you suspect cheating the most important thing to do is to report the match with details of who was in it and what time it took place, this allows us to look up data on that match and see what happened. Give details of what you think was happening etc. the key here is we need data. Just saying you saw some cheating doesn't give us much to go on.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:14 PM

View PostDruire, on 25 February 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

Obviously some players/temas chose the map in advance by editing a certain file.

Its rather strange if you start an 8v8 and land in Alpine...then you realize that most enemy mechs you meet are equipped (ER)PPC only. And I dont speak of Stalkers. Never seen an Atlas PPC equipped only plus a cataphract PPc equipped only plus stalker ppc equipped only and more like that.

PGI please get rid of that possibility to chose the map before you launch by editing....or just make it possible for everyone in menue...but this way its ridicolous

Thanks

LG Druire

More and more 'Mechs are carrying PPCs due to:
Their pinpoint(ish) damage
Their range
Their accuracy
Their disruption of ECM

Hell most of my Heavy and Assault 'Mechs carry at least 1 PPC. Most carry multiple.
I run a 2 Gauss/ERPPC Ilya that doesn't even need external heat sinks and runs at a heat efficiency of 1.5.

View PostMatthew Craig, on 25 February 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

As we've stated if you suspect cheating the most important thing to do is to report the match with details of who was in it and what time it took place, this allows us to look up data on that match and see what happened. Give details of what you think was happening etc. the key here is we need data. Just saying you saw some cheating doesn't give us much to go on.

As someone who troubleshoots IT issues where "the computer doesn't work" I would like to say:

x2.

#154 Druire

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:53 PM

Well I know that PPCs are more common now as they are with me but meeting 5/8 mechs with ONLY PPCs in an 8v8 in the only map which PPC have a more than significant adavtage is more than unusual. (because you will most probably loose with this config in 8v8 in any other map)


And no, I wont tell any names nor details. (and also couldnt as I already forgot most of em :))

I also know that PGI is quite aware that some "innvoative" people found a way to edit in game file(s) in order to preselect a map.
Just wanted to state that it "seems" becoming more common although those posts who explained how that works have (luckily) been deleted.

My aim was neither blaming someone nor pursuing cheaters.
My aim was just to recall that problem to PGIs mind in order to have it solved sometime.

LG Druire

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:16 PM

View PostDruire, on 25 February 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

Well I know that PPCs are more common now as they are with me but meeting 5/8 mechs with ONLY PPCs in an 8v8 in the only map which PPC have a more than significant adavtage is more than unusual. (because you will most probably loose with this config in 8v8 in any other map)


And no, I wont tell any names nor details. (and also couldnt as I already forgot most of em :))

I also know that PGI is quite aware that some "innvoative" people found a way to edit in game file(s) in order to preselect a map.
Just wanted to state that it "seems" becoming more common although those posts who explained how that works have (luckily) been deleted.

My aim was neither blaming someone nor pursuing cheaters.
My aim was just to recall that problem to PGIs mind in order to have it solved sometime.

LG Druire


Never heard of the map selection hack before this necro - I'll be looking out for further mentions from now on.

I do play with a casual group that will quite frequently load up on the PPC's on purpose, for the lulz mostly, but also in an attempt to develop a counter to the SRM/AC20 brawlers out there. Nothing says BEGONE to that Splatcat quite like a dozen PPC's in the face as soon as he comes over the hill. Not our more effective team strategy, to be sure, but hilarious...

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:23 AM

I for one HAVE seen an Armor Hack that pretty much made a Raven INDESTRUCTABLE...after 4 ER-PPC shots .....no damage done?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:32 AM

View PostParan01ac, on 04 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Let's ban everyone whose KDs are higher than 1.


YAY I am safe!

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:33 AM

View PostWarchylde, on 15 March 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

I for one HAVE seen an Armor Hack that pretty much made a Raven INDESTRUCTABLE...after 4 ER-PPC shots .....no damage done?


PPCs are not affected by state rewind right now, so what you see as a hit may have been a miss on server side. Combine that with the Raven's crappy hitbox, speed and they'll survive much more than 4 ERPPC shots.

So far i've seen no indication that there is a hack involved.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 08:36 AM

View PostLykaon, on 09 January 2013 - 12:28 AM, said:

1,685 matches played.

Times I thought I saw an intentional third party exploit: 0


I had suspicion once. a Guy headshotted 3 of us from over 700m in a span of 15 seconds or so. MSI AB was not on though so not much I could say.

As for the UAC stuff. If the perp was an Ilya then LOL. The thing is an Ilya can mount 3 UAC5, if you have these on chainfire then they cycle perfectly with each other and you will constantly spit out 5 pt slugs without ever jamming. 3 every 1.1 seconds. So mr ddc eat that up, takes at most 12 or 13 seconds to core an full health DDC if you can focus on the CT.

#160 Paula Fry

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 08:41 AM

The UAC5 rapid fire is a Macro abuse...but cheating?

Type BF3 cheats in at youtube ...you will fing loads of vids.

Type MWO cheats and you find none. Ok one Vid but that is a HOAX.

When Kids have a cheat they go Youtube to show the world how messed up they are.

Or Guys like HarumiAA from Artificial Aiming post it there to earn Money with it.

2200 Drops and i haven't had a Cheater feeling once....

Edited by Paula Fry, 15 March 2013 - 08:43 AM.






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