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[MadSavage]

The entire organized community for MWO is not sync dropping to ruin PUG experience. I PUG often and have never seen it. Less than ~1% of players should not remove the 8-man and 4-man teamwork aspect of the game. Unfortuantely, it's a small price to pay for organized play.

[Barnaby Jones]

Rifter, on 05 January 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

Do you just like baseless assumptions or something. This has been reported to support, i did not say anything inflamitory in chat if i did why the hell would i report it?

Because i know you wont believe me send me your e-mail address and i will forward you the reply i got from support about it and you can take it up with them to see if my story is accurate.

The point of all of my comments rifter, is that if all you cared about was this group getting punished, you would not have come to the forums and made this public.

Having your redacted pics does aboslutely nothing when the name Sternn can clearly be read in the text, and so this thread is in violation of name and shame, right there.

And what truely made me post such obviously ludicrous accusations was an attempt to get the forum mod there to reply back.

Get some thicker skin.

[Wraith05]

Just like you have some bad pugs, you also have bad groups. Sorry that happened to you. If you see it constantly happening keep posting the screenshots to show it as a problem and not an exception.

Dirkdaring, on 05 January 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

If the game would just put a 4 man on each side and then fill the remainder with PuG this wouldn't even be an issue.

Would the 2 man and 3 man groups be considered pug or a premade? Because from my experience when I ask if anyone is grouped aside from smart *** responses like "i'm in a group of one!" the most common answer is "group of 2"

[Windies]

MadSavage, on 05 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

The entire organized community for MWO is not sync dropping to ruin PUG experience. I PUG often and have never seen it. Less than ~1% of players should not remove the 8-man and 4-man teamwork aspect of the game. Unfortuantely, it's a small price to pay for organized play.

Less than 1% of all players wouldn't be enough to fill an entire match...

[Barnaby Jones]

Dirkdaring, on 05 January 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

If the game would just put a 4 man on each side and then fill the remainder with PuG this wouldn't even be an issue.

and what would you have the groups of 2 and 3 do?

and what would you do where there are more 4's online than solos?

and what would you do when the "match not found" became the norm due to unneede segregation of queues?

all of this has been covered before, ad nausea in many many threads.

The only thing new to see here is a Forum mod pouring gas on the fire, by trying to make a distinction between text based taunts depending on whether or not a group was involved, and running off to the devs to see if they support him sticking his nose where it doesnt belong.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Barnaby Jones, on 05 January 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

If I understand your opinion correctly, you would consider any form of text based taunting of the other team to be griefing regardless of whether or not there was a group involved.

Lets hope that your opinion remains just that, as we do not need a nanny state dictated by the opinions of forum moderators.

and lets not forget, that aside from rifter, we do not know if members of the team against rifter was taunting some specifc members of rifters team, who may be their friends.

My opinion is that skirting the rules of the game, and then taunting the other team with "We're skirting the rules in order to make it easier for us to beat you, and we're gonna beat you now!" is very unsportsman-like in nature; it is different from merely saying "We're gonna beat you." The MW:O Code of Conduct is in effect in-game, and gloating about this kind of stuff serves no purpose other than to reduce the quality of gameplay experienced by the total Community. Taunting can be fun, it can be annoying, but it shouldn't involve taunting about skirting the rules and how it's gonna help you win.

But, it's just my opinion and not one of the Devs or Staff. They can have their own opinions. They can even overlap with mine. I still just speak for me, though, when I give my opinion (as noted previously).

Edited by Prosperity Park, 05 January 2013 - 04:07 PM.

[Rifter]

Barnaby Jones, on 05 January 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

The point of all of my comments rifter, is that if all you cared about was this group getting punished, you would not have come to the forums and made this public.

Having your redacted pics does aboslutely nothing when the name Sternn can clearly be read in the text, and so this thread is in violation of name and shame, right there.

And what truely made me post such obviously ludicrous accusations was an attempt to get the forum mod there to reply back.

Stern does not match any player names in game, nice try though. Also it is not name and shame i censored all name to protect player involved in the game.

And i never asked for a mod reply i have no idea what you are even talking about there.

Also this was reported to support days before this post, i posted here simply so the evidence was out there for anyone to see, since everyone like to claim they never see it and it never happens well here it is.

[Barnaby Jones]

Pariah Devalis, on 05 January 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

As Syncline said, nobody says they do not happen. Never, not once, seen people say it does not happen. They do happen rarely, however.

Play for one hour and if you are unlucky you will find one. Or, you can play 25 games back to back and only run into it once. Even if it is one game out of 10, that is only 10% of the time, and that is far too often to reflect reality. 8 man sync drops probably happen closer to 5%-7% of the time, tops, unless your name is Brian and you have bad luck.

http://memegenerator...stance/32962813

[Horned Bull]

Before the step 2, when 8man stomps were much more popular I encountered a trash talking premade. They were all full of themselves, moreover the biggest trashtalker on their team said something like "pubs are nothing but animals to slaughter". I made up my mind, I decided to do everything I can just to kill that one pilot. My team got decimated in a few minutes, but thanks to a friendly atlas help (I don't remember his name, but I want to salute to him now) I was able to take down "the trashtalker". As you can predict, the match ended in 8-1 premade victory, but I felt like it was my personal small victory.

[Barnaby Jones]

Rifter, on 05 January 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

Stern does not match any player names in game, nice try though. Also it is not name and shame i censored all name to protect player involved in the game.

And i never asked for a mod reply i have no idea what you are even talking about there.

Also this was reported to support days before this post, i posted here simply so the evidence was out there for anyone to see, since everyone like to claim they never see it and it never happens well here it is.

Try adding a military rank in front of it.... perhaps Captain, and perhaps the abreviation for captain.



posting this thread here does not make it evidence, all it does is inflame both sides of the debate.

If something was wrong, they will fix it.
If nothing was wrong, nothing will happen.

Neither of those two results would be effected by you making it public here. All you are doing is inciting a fight.

Prosperity Park, on 05 January 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

My opinion is that skirting the rules of the game, and then taunting the other team with "We're skirting the rules in order to make it easier for us to beat you, and we're gonna beat you now!" is very unsportsman-like in nature; it is different from merely saying "We're gonna beat you." The MW:O Code of Conduct is in effect in-game, and gloating about this kind of stuff serves no purpose other than to reduce the quality of gameplay experienced by the total Community. Taunting can be fun, it can be annoying, but it shouldn't involve taunting about skirting the rules and how it's gonna help you win.

But, it's just my opinion and not one of the Devs or Staff. They can have their own opinions. They can even overlap with mine. I still just speak for me, though, when I give my opinion (as noted previously).

Skirting the rules of the game would imply that you have a better understanding of the rules, to the point that you can determine when someone is breaking the spirit of the rules, even while they are technically not breaking the letter of the law of the rules. sounds a bit to subjective to me.


I think the fact that you were trying to imply that taunting was bad here BECAUSE a group was involved, instead of just "Taunting in this way" is bad regardless of there being a group is what bothered me. and don't get me wrong, all of us, even you mods are entitled to an opinion. Its what you choose to voice and how you voice it that is my concern, particularly when some view you as being in a position of power or authority.

Edited by Barnaby Jones, 05 January 2013 - 04:20 PM.

[CCODEZ]

Add separate single pilot only matchmaking game. Add a random matchmaker time of, say, 2-10 seconds so that people who click the button together will ideally not join the same match to hopefully avoid 4/8 man group via time sync with all 4/8 people (no idea how to implement it, just an idea)
Add separate 4 man group matchmaking.
Keep the 8 man group matchmaking.

Can't see this being a big problem to get goin and would solve a lot of this crap.

Also it doesn't matter how *rare* it may or may not be. With a large number of people 5% could be every other game. I did have 3 in a row once, proudly displaying their skills at sync dropping and their "leet" team based combat over an obviously less organised team.

edit: just saw a thread already said as much as this, go figure.

Edited by CCODEZ, 05 January 2013 - 04:22 PM.

[Rifter]

Barnaby Jones, on 05 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Try adding a military rank in front of it.... perhaps Captain, and perhaps the abreviation for captain.



I think the fact that you were trying to imply that taunting was bad here BECAUSE a group was involved, instead of just "Taunting in this way" is bad regardless of there being a group is what bothered me. and don't get me wrong, all of us, even you mods are entitled to an opinion. Its what you choose to voice and how you voice it that is my concern, particularly when some view you as being in a position of power or authority.

I dont really care about Prosperity Park's opinion on this issue(no offense PP). I in no way asked for a mod comment though, i had a reply from support long before i posted this thread i am aware how the devs/publisher/support are handing this issue why would i need a mod comment when compared to support a mods word doesn't really mean much.

[Barnaby Jones]

Rifter, on 05 January 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

I dont really care about Prosperity Park's opinion on this issue(no offense PP). I in no way asked for a mod comment though, i had a reply from support long before i posted this thread i am aware how the devs/publisher/support are handing this issue why would i need a mod comment when compared to support a mods word doesn't really mean much.

i keep editing in pieces. my appologies for the disjointed conversation.

I wasnt trying to imply that you were seeking moderators imputs or anything like that.

I was just trying to say this:

posting this thread here does not make it evidence, all it does is inflame both sides of the debate.

If something was wrong, they will fix it.
If nothing was wrong, nothing will happen.

Neither of those two results would be affected by you making it public here. All you are doing is inciting a fight.

[Rifter]

Barnaby Jones, on 05 January 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

i keep editing in pieces. my appologies for the disjointed conversation.

I wasnt trying to imply that you were seeking moderators imputs or anything like that.

I was just trying to say this:

posting this thread here does not make it evidence, all it does is inflame both sides of the debate.

If something was wrong, they will fix it.
If nothing was wrong, nothing will happen.

Neither of those two results would be affected by you making it public here. All you are doing is inciting a fight.

All im doing is posting SS of a in game experience that i just had a few days ago, pretty sure that fits into the definition of evidence. Also support called the submitted SS evidence so im pretty sure thats what it is.

Also, im not inciting anything, i didnt even type a single word into chat that whole game the only people who could be thought to be inciting anything are the ones typing into chat in that game.

[Loonix]

Barnaby Jones, on 05 January 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

and what would you have the groups of 2 and 3 do?

and what would you do where there are more 4's online than solos?

and what would you do when the "match not found" became the norm due to unneede segregation of queues?

all of this has been covered before, ad nausea in many many threads.

"All this has been covered before..." seriously what? So no one can work out the obvious? Try to match up teams of 2 and 3 on opposing sides... the same as 4 You can't always work it out perfectly, but it's hardly uncommon, WoT has a similar system in the MM as I recall. I'm not about to start listing possible variations.

Of course, It would need to be implemented slowly because currently the playerbase is too small. But I would be extremely disappointed if we don't see the first steps of this in the next MM overhaul.

Teamwork is a huge advantage. I normally play with a friend. When we team up we easily get a positive win rate, going solo we are both negative lately. If people want to see 8v8 and 12v12 teams, we need the playerbase to grow. That's hardly going to happen when new players get fed up of getting rolled every match. Lately I'm seeing small teams of three or four out in force on a regular basis, to the extent that pugging the last couple of days is like watching barrels roll down a hill. If the game had always been like this we'd never get new members.

From what I've read in some other threads, I can't believe the number of people who think it's cool sync dropping and pug stomping. Is this community slowly filling up with people who are only concerned with epeens, winning, k/d and to hell with everyone else? I sure hope not.

[Rifter]

HouseCat, on 05 January 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

"All this has been covered before..." seriously what? So no one can work out the obvious? Try to match up teams of 2 and 3 on opposing sides... the same as 4 You can't always work it out perfectly, but it's hardly uncommon, WoT has a similar system in the MM as I recall. I'm not about to start listing possible variations.

Of course, It would need to be implemented slowly because currently the playerbase is too small. But I would be extremely disappointed if we don't see the first steps of this in the next MM overhaul.

Teamwork is a huge advantage. I normally play with a friend. When we team up we easily get a positive win rate, going solo we are both negative lately. If people want to see 8v8 and 12v12 teams, we need the playerbase to grow. That's hardly going to happen when new players get fed up of getting rolled every match. Lately I'm seeing small teams of three or four out in force on a regular basis, to the extent that pugging the last couple of days is like watching barrels roll down a hill. If the game had always been like this we'd never get new members.

From what I've read in some other threads, I can't believe the number of people who think it's cool sync dropping and pug stomping. Is this community slowly filling up with people who are only concerned with epeens, winning, k/d and to hell with everyone else? I sure hope not.

Good to know there are still some people out there who can see whats really happening to the community.

[Barnaby Jones]

Rifter, on 05 January 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

All im doing is posting SS of a in game experience that i just had a few days ago, pretty sure that fits into the definition of evidence. Also support called the submitted SS evidence so im pretty sure thats what it is.

Also, im not inciting anything, i didnt even type a single word into chat that whole game the only people who could be thought to be inciting anything are the ones typing into chat in that game.

Its not evidence, because there is noone on this forum that will sit in judgement of this event, that wouldn't get ALL the same info (and more) from your ticket.

You are making this public to push your personal agenda, plain and simple.


@housecat: or we can just wait till mm3 ELO is here and all this discussion will be as moot as it is now.

Rifter, on 05 January 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Good to know there are still some people out there who can see whats really happening to the community.

Or that he's believing what the vocal minority is complaining loudest about.

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

[Moriquendi86]

Yes sync drops are happening, been there and done that. It require some amount of luck to do it but yes it's possible. But organized team doesn't really need to sync drop to do so called "PUG stomping", playing just 3-4 player group may give very similar effects if rest of the team isn't horribly bad, and with some very good PUG players or random occurrence of having another premade in team can be even more overwhelming than sync drop.

Only please remember that devs knows about this and we know exactly how it is going to be fixed in 3rd phase of improved matchmaking. I know it is taking some time to implement and a lot of people is inpatient but I would rather have well made feature delivered in month than game breaking issue made in a weak.

[semalferuzA]

My friends and I try to play 8mans but a lot of the times we try we queue up a few times and fail to find games. Then we get bored of waiting for games and sync drop. But we aren't trying to sync drop to be on the same team, we try to drop against each other. Both groups run the same mech classes, e.g. 2 Assault, 1 Heavy, 1 light or 3 Assault, 1 Light. It's more fun to play against each other than it is to play with each other in a pub game. The times when we do end up on the same team we try to end it as quickly as possible by pushing up the mid and winning within 2minutes.

[Sears]

I've sync dropped before, not full 8 mans, not since 8v8s were reintroduced. Never was it to 'stomp Pugs' mainly because you'd have 5 in a room and they'd all want to play together. Perhaps a short term solution would be to have a limit of 1 group per side. Still, I guess solo players could be grieifed by two teams co ordinating on either side.

Another option would be to have all groups from 2-8 launch into group games, it would encourage players to have bigger groups . PUGS then have the option to opt into the group matches (perhaps these earn a bonus for doing so) to fill in the numbers up to 8. This is how I can see the battles in CW working. Kind of the point of being a lone wolf and how it was suggested in early dev blogs.

Improved commands such as being able to primary targets and have quick commands would be useful in the non voip environment.

I would have to agree about taunting though, the worst offenders are the ones that at the start will say This defeat is brought to you by such and such join @ ect. Or messages to that affect.

Edited by Sears, 05 January 2013 - 05:08 PM.