Ok so we all know how the thermal and night vision are supposed to come from our helmet, that explains why we see the inside of the cockpit with the same vision.
Now when I look around with the ctrl and myself, why I'M NOT GLOWING WARM?
Am I dead? Robot? This is totally game breaking for my immersion.
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Ginormous Bug With Thermal Vision
Started by twibs, Jan 09 2013 01:07 AM
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:52 AM
Thermal viosn have a range that represents the different colors.
For example blue is 0C and red is 100C ..
But in a mech your heat vision is configured for mech combat, to detect and show 1000+ C (laser heated metal, and fusion reactors.)
So your 36C body heat is Blue, it is totaly correct.
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For example blue is 0C and red is 100C ..
But in a mech your heat vision is configured for mech combat, to detect and show 1000+ C (laser heated metal, and fusion reactors.)
So your 36C body heat is Blue, it is totaly correct.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:21 AM
Darn, didn't think of the scale.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:43 AM
Thermal may be fed to you by the helmet but I will bet dollars to donuts it is feeding the visual from a combination of a cabin cam and an external IR camera on the outside of the mech, just like nightvision. I would not waste money on a thermal cam inside the cabin as it would not see well through the window.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:07 AM
As a pilot, you're wearing a suit that blocks thermal radiation. That way your opponents cannot see you inside your cockpit even with their most advanced zoom, when your mech has been shut down to stop any thermal radiation in the first place.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:16 AM
I for one would like my neurohelmet to overlay vision enhancers only on the cockpit "windows" which are not actual glass anyway. You know, so I could read the instruments in my cockpit.
AFAICT normal vision through the cockpit is as virtual as night and thermal.
But then again, you know, such plausible implementation would probably require advanced coding skillz.
AFAICT normal vision through the cockpit is as virtual as night and thermal.
But then again, you know, such plausible implementation would probably require advanced coding skillz.
Edited by pesco, 09 January 2013 - 04:17 AM.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:19 AM
Jetfire, on 09 January 2013 - 03:43 AM, said:
Thermal may be fed to you by the helmet but I will bet dollars to donuts it is feeding the visual from a combination of a cabin cam and an external IR camera on the outside of the mech, just like nightvision. I would not waste money on a thermal cam inside the cabin as it would not see well through the window.
Just for info... Thermal and IR systems are two entirely different animals...
Just throw'n that out there... discuss!
*grabs more popcorn to watch the adhoc speculation of how a video game features short comings exist due to non existent fantasy physics and technology*
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:49 AM
Thermal sensors are external
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:38 AM
What a fascinating hodgepodge of misinformation and strangeness.
First, Thermal and IR vision are the same thing. They're a false-color representation of radiation in Infrared wavelengths which is where the peak of radiation is for objects less than a few 1000C. The basis for this is blackbox radiation more formally known as Planck's Law. In a nutshell, anything not at absolute zero radiates thermal energy, the hotter it is, the brighter it is and the shorter the wavelength (i.e. higher frequency or higher energy).
Second, the suits that pilots wear should have little to do with being visible to others through the cockpit windows and, based on the stories in the old TT rules, a whole heck of a lot more to do with being thermal suits designed to keep the pilot from parboiling himself inside the cockpit which commonly exceeded 50C during operation. Preventing heat transfer means preventing thermal radiation (among other things) which is why you can get a thermal image of your house in the real world and use it to figure out where to put in insulation.
Third, while I also recall that your thermal conversion is being done in the helmet, you can pretty safely assume that the feed for it is from outside the mech because (see prior comment about your mech cockpit being an oven) you'd have a baseline of noise corresponding to the temperature of the cockpit of your own mech (never mind the baseline radiation background of your planet). Not sure if Jetire was thinking of this or just the potential distortion from the windows themselves (although we're talking about some fantastic material along the lines of transparent aluminum or something and defining its photo-characteristics would be a stretch).
All of this boils down to a hill of beans for most people though and rightly so. The number of rules we've violated to get even 35-ton mechs that move the way these do would make Newton roll over in his grave. Inertia, tensile strengths. Heck, can anyone explain how AC20 ammo can be passed through the hip and shoulder actuators to an arm-mounted weapon and why it can't explode in a torso that it has to move through? So yeah... If it helps you sleep at night or get over your immersion issues, you should not see yourself in Thermal mode at all but that's based on physics which has only a tenuous relation to this universe anyway.
First, Thermal and IR vision are the same thing. They're a false-color representation of radiation in Infrared wavelengths which is where the peak of radiation is for objects less than a few 1000C. The basis for this is blackbox radiation more formally known as Planck's Law. In a nutshell, anything not at absolute zero radiates thermal energy, the hotter it is, the brighter it is and the shorter the wavelength (i.e. higher frequency or higher energy).
Second, the suits that pilots wear should have little to do with being visible to others through the cockpit windows and, based on the stories in the old TT rules, a whole heck of a lot more to do with being thermal suits designed to keep the pilot from parboiling himself inside the cockpit which commonly exceeded 50C during operation. Preventing heat transfer means preventing thermal radiation (among other things) which is why you can get a thermal image of your house in the real world and use it to figure out where to put in insulation.
Third, while I also recall that your thermal conversion is being done in the helmet, you can pretty safely assume that the feed for it is from outside the mech because (see prior comment about your mech cockpit being an oven) you'd have a baseline of noise corresponding to the temperature of the cockpit of your own mech (never mind the baseline radiation background of your planet). Not sure if Jetire was thinking of this or just the potential distortion from the windows themselves (although we're talking about some fantastic material along the lines of transparent aluminum or something and defining its photo-characteristics would be a stretch).
All of this boils down to a hill of beans for most people though and rightly so. The number of rules we've violated to get even 35-ton mechs that move the way these do would make Newton roll over in his grave. Inertia, tensile strengths. Heck, can anyone explain how AC20 ammo can be passed through the hip and shoulder actuators to an arm-mounted weapon and why it can't explode in a torso that it has to move through? So yeah... If it helps you sleep at night or get over your immersion issues, you should not see yourself in Thermal mode at all but that's based on physics which has only a tenuous relation to this universe anyway.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:43 AM
35 tons they say, but 35 tons at what GRAVITY??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:47 AM
Rakashan, on 09 January 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:
What a fascinating hodgepodge of misinformation and strangeness.
First, Thermal and IR vision are the same thing. They're a false-color representation of radiation in Infrared wavelengths which is where the peak of radiation is for objects less than a few 1000C. The basis for this is blackbox radiation more formally known as Planck's Law. In a nutshell, anything not at absolute zero radiates thermal energy, the hotter it is, the brighter it is and the shorter the wavelength (i.e. higher frequency or higher energy).
Second, the suits that pilots wear should have little to do with being visible to others through the cockpit windows and, based on the stories in the old TT rules, a whole heck of a lot more to do with being thermal suits designed to keep the pilot from parboiling himself inside the cockpit which commonly exceeded 50C during operation. Preventing heat transfer means preventing thermal radiation (among other things) which is why you can get a thermal image of your house in the real world and use it to figure out where to put in insulation.
Third, while I also recall that your thermal conversion is being done in the helmet, you can pretty safely assume that the feed for it is from outside the mech because (see prior comment about your mech cockpit being an oven) you'd have a baseline of noise corresponding to the temperature of the cockpit of your own mech (never mind the baseline radiation background of your planet). Not sure if Jetire was thinking of this or just the potential distortion from the windows themselves (although we're talking about some fantastic material along the lines of transparent aluminum or something and defining its photo-characteristics would be a stretch).
All of this boils down to a hill of beans for most people though and rightly so. The number of rules we've violated to get even 35-ton mechs that move the way these do would make Newton roll over in his grave. Inertia, tensile strengths. Heck, can anyone explain how AC20 ammo can be passed through the hip and shoulder actuators to an arm-mounted weapon and why it can't explode in a torso that it has to move through? So yeah... If it helps you sleep at night or get over your immersion issues, you should not see yourself in Thermal mode at all but that's based on physics which has only a tenuous relation to this universe anyway.
First, Thermal and IR vision are the same thing. They're a false-color representation of radiation in Infrared wavelengths which is where the peak of radiation is for objects less than a few 1000C. The basis for this is blackbox radiation more formally known as Planck's Law. In a nutshell, anything not at absolute zero radiates thermal energy, the hotter it is, the brighter it is and the shorter the wavelength (i.e. higher frequency or higher energy).
Second, the suits that pilots wear should have little to do with being visible to others through the cockpit windows and, based on the stories in the old TT rules, a whole heck of a lot more to do with being thermal suits designed to keep the pilot from parboiling himself inside the cockpit which commonly exceeded 50C during operation. Preventing heat transfer means preventing thermal radiation (among other things) which is why you can get a thermal image of your house in the real world and use it to figure out where to put in insulation.
Third, while I also recall that your thermal conversion is being done in the helmet, you can pretty safely assume that the feed for it is from outside the mech because (see prior comment about your mech cockpit being an oven) you'd have a baseline of noise corresponding to the temperature of the cockpit of your own mech (never mind the baseline radiation background of your planet). Not sure if Jetire was thinking of this or just the potential distortion from the windows themselves (although we're talking about some fantastic material along the lines of transparent aluminum or something and defining its photo-characteristics would be a stretch).
All of this boils down to a hill of beans for most people though and rightly so. The number of rules we've violated to get even 35-ton mechs that move the way these do would make Newton roll over in his grave. Inertia, tensile strengths. Heck, can anyone explain how AC20 ammo can be passed through the hip and shoulder actuators to an arm-mounted weapon and why it can't explode in a torso that it has to move through? So yeah... If it helps you sleep at night or get over your immersion issues, you should not see yourself in Thermal mode at all but that's based on physics which has only a tenuous relation to this universe anyway.
Also, according to BT lore, wasn't the pilot supposed to be pant-less? Mind you, I prefer PGI's method.., Lol.
Edited by StalaggtIKE, 09 January 2013 - 11:47 AM.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:53 AM
StalaggtIKE, on 09 January 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:
Also, according to BT lore, wasn't the pilot supposed to be pant-less? Mind you, I prefer PGI's method.., Lol.
There are cooling jackets for Com Star, but I prefer to use lostech than to pilot a mech and be scared of looking around the cockpit to see a naked man.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:58 AM
Adridos, on 09 January 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:
There are cooling jackets for Com Star, but I prefer to use lostech than to pilot a mech and be scared of looking around the cockpit to see a naked man.
Heh.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:03 PM
twibs, on 09 January 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:
Darn, didn't think of the scale.
I think you did actually, it is just that"Ginormous"
may have been a tad over the top on the scale bit. lol
Edited by MaddMaxx, 09 January 2013 - 12:03 PM.
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