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[Vassago Rain]

Abrahms, on 13 January 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

Crysis 2 is a console abomination ported over. Crysis 1, which looks vastly inferior to Frostbite 2, still runs SLOWER than Frostbite 2.

Crysis engine has always looked good for its time, but its a failure - other companies choose NOT to do it. It does as much as it can to make things look pretty but without ANY optimization. You could take any 10 year old graphics engine and add 1000 bells and whistles to it and increase the poly count to make it look good, BUT, if it cant run well, it isnt worth it.

That is why Frostbite 2 is the closest thing we have to next gen. In fact, any company could make a game look good, but whether or not it runs well is an entirely different story.

Rumor has it that PGI chose crysis engine because of cost. Superior engines like Frostbite simply are not even on the market for other companies.

Frostbite looks very ugly.

[Omni Tek]

JayTac, on 12 January 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

Personally when it comes to PS2 the combat is pretty basic and boring with no skill involved. Plus, there's no point/no endgame so I don't see the purpose to it really. To each his own though, it all comes down to preference.

1) it's a first person shooter of course the combat is basic.
2) There is no skill in any game that involve clicking a mouse/pushing a button.
3) MechWarrior doesn't have an point/endgame either

[Omni Tek]

JayTac, on 12 January 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

If I'm wrong, I'd honestly like to know. Maybe they've improved the game since I played. I haven't installed since beta closed despite having an Alpha kit. PS2 was never meant to be a skill based game though. Skill based FPS would fall along the lines of CS, Quake, UT, Nexuiz, etc - Planet Side obviously isn't that style of game.

Really you're going to talk about the non existance of skill in video games and your going to use those examples?

[Omni Tek]

Mercworks, on 12 January 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

This is the first online game i've played since warcraft. Are all of the people on the internet such whiners? Also, if you don't like the game, why comment on the forums every week about how much you don't like the game. Go play something else, then. Or do you guys just enjoy the complaining more the an big stompy robots.

I'd assume he's trying/hoping the DEVs will see that their game isn't as great as they seem to think it is.

Kousagi, on 12 January 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

As no matter how good you are at shooting things, 1 guy can't beat 10 people blasting him in the face at once.

Now where have I heard this before?

Vassago Rain, on 13 January 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

Frostbite looks very ugly.

You're aware that BF3 (I'm making an assumption about your refference here feel free to correct me) only uses about 20% of Frostbite's abillity right?

[pencilboom]

Vassago Rain, on 13 January 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

Frostbite looks very ugly.

nope

[Orgasmo]

Vassago Rain, on 13 January 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

Frostbite looks very ugly.

I get the feeling you like being an attention ho.

[Ihasa]

Orgasmo, on 13 January 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

I get the feeling you like being an attention ho.

Oh so you're the one that stole the name I wanted to use! Even Orgazmo was taken. (I have toons with that name in STO that I wanted to use here).

[Rift Hawk]

Abrahms, on 12 January 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

Neither Planetside 2 or Hawken are probably going to consume my time, as my pay 2 play games (not pay 2 win, pay 2 play like BF3) are still vastly superior, but both f2p titles are miles ahead of MWO. Servers, content, ambiance, gameplay.

Now I know the fanbois are gonna rage, but look, Ive followed MWO (been in beta since June), played thousands of matches in MWO, and been a crazy mechwarrior fan ever since I discovered MW2 as a kid.

MWO has an amazing reboot artist, an amazing franchise, but, to be blunt, has a weak studio. CryEngine is a terrible gaming engine, the lag is horrid, servers are lacking, weapon imbalance is glaring and gamebreaking.... horrible problem go unfixed for months

The forums have had many solid suggestions and recommendations; none heeded. Hopefully in 6 mo I can come back and have fun in MWO, but likely... we told you so.

edit:

Yes, actually, the latest patch was quite the FPS boost for me. I typically get 70-90 frames in BF3 on high with 64 players and destruction. The game is beautiful, and every time I load it up I'm still amazed that a single 6950 powers through it with ease. I thought I would need to crossfire at a minimum 2x6970 (this was back when it was released, 7xxx series not out yet) but the game is extremely well optimized. MWO though used to scape by at 30 fps and then drop to 15 in combat. NOW after latest patches Im getting around solid 40-50 and it doesnt drop in combat! BF3 though still looks better, renders 1000x more things, and still runs twice as fast.

All crysis games though on my PC look half as good as Frostbite 2 and run half as fast. My friends with Nvidia rigs usually have similar results. Its just a poor engine - though I think the cheapest... any ideas why? tehe

I will NOT be playing Planetside2 or Hawken. I downloaded them to compare. BF3 is better than PS2 and fills the mass scale niche for me, so PS2 is out the window, and Hawken just isnt my playstyle. Tons of fun nonetheless, but I much prefer mechwarrior's robot gameplay.

MWO just isnt cutting it. Too many cash grabs, not enough fixes, and frankly the balance is probably the biggest deal breaker for me.

Guess what, as soon as I loaded Hawken, I saw a LIST OF SERVERS!!!!! Not everyone played on the same ratty asrse server with stupid pings. Its no fun when you have to guess whether the Jenner will need a lead of 15 meters or 50 meters because the lag isnt even consistent. It just downright takes the awesome art/franchise and murders it.

Give me better servers, less 1995 lag, and better weapon balance and Id be right back in the firefight.

I actually like Planetside 2. Mainly because it doesn't have the hardcore e rage that BF3 has. At least not that I personally have witnessed. BF3 does look way better but Planetside 2 is more fun for me.

As for MWO, all I can really say is its still in Beta which I'm sure your aware. Its annoying that Beta is persisting for this long and no end in sight but I guess you can either deal with it or you can't. You've been playing a lot longer than I so we'll have to see where I am 4 months from now.

There have been a lot of good suggestions on the forums about fixing things wrong with the game. Maybe they aren't taken into account, maybe they are. I don't know. What I do know, is that the real tell is going to be when clans come out. It will either make the game great, or break it completely. If clans are as powerful as they should be, IS mechs will be obsolete. If that happens...I'll probably quit.

[r4plez]

Vassago Rain, on 13 January 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

Frostbite looks very ugly.

U mad? Open Your eyes

[Heeden]

Lycan, on 12 January 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

You mean like in MWO?

Again, like in MWO? So you're mechs move a tad slower than they do in Hawken . . . you're still playing an Unreal Tournament Team Death Match . . .

So, Hawken is an anime based mecha game. The thing is, you're STILL playing a first person shooter with the skin of a mech. In both games. .

The core of the game is the exact same. Yes, play style of the games differ but both the games are about piloting huge stomp robot death machines.

Trying to prop one up as "better" than the other is just a matter of opinion and isn't solid "fact".

Hmm, my understanding is that you don't have to pay for all your mechs in hawken either. You've got the "free to play" mechs (hey, like in MWO) and then you have your "premium currency" mechs (again, like in MWO) so . . . still can't see your point.

Eh, not really. It's a FPS shooter, MWO is a FPS as is Hawken.

The thing that would make MWO actually stand out from the rest of the FPS out there is so rabidly looked down upon by the twitch crowd that MWO will always be just another FPS . . . . Admittedly with stellar graphics.

No it's not but you keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep better at night.

Yes all 3 games we ae discussing here involve shooting from a first-person perspective however actually playing them reveals the differences (although there are similarities).

In a standard FPS you press forward to go forward, backwards to walk backwards, strafe left and right etc. Your mouse is used to control the direction you are aiming which also affects the direction of travel, so the point you are aiming at is also the direction you move when pressing the forward command.

MW:O goes for more of a lite-simulator control scheme. Pressing forward incrementally increases the desired speed which your 'mech will accelerate towards. A notable difference between that and normal FPS controls is the way your mech will continue at that speed with no further input (usually you would have to continue holding forward to go forward). Also the direction you are aiming does not dictate the direction of travel - the torso in MW:O moves independently of the legs and you can even move the arms independently, allowing a mech pilot to aim at two different targets whilst moving forwards in a third direction.

I won't talk about load-outs as I haven't played around on PS2 and Hawken much, but unless they take a massive break from the normal conventions of a couple of weapons and a few perks they probably have a much simpler customisation suite than the MW:O mech bay.

The meta-game is what differentiates PS2 from Hawken (MW:O and Hawken are similar in this regard with short, arena-type matches). PS2 is a completely different animal featuring a persistent world with ongoing battles to jump in and out of. Don't expect to queue up for a match in Planetside 2 for a balanced X vs. X fight, it is an MMOFPS which allows for massive (and unbalanced) fights.

Edited by Heeden, 13 January 2013 - 03:45 PM.

[Orgasmo]

Ihasa, on 13 January 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

Oh so you're the one that stole the name I wanted to use! Even Orgazmo was taken. (I have toons with that name in STO that I wanted to use here).

I highly doubt it since I started the game in mid-December, and you got founder's package.

[Ihasa]

Orgasmo, on 13 January 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

I highly doubt it since I started the game in mid-December, and you got founder's package.

It wouldn't let me register either name. Well congrats to you, I'm jealous.

[M4rtyr]

Lol, Planetside 2 is better? in what way?

It looks like it 15 years old, and even with the **** graphics the fps is terrible for an average or lower machine. There is no more content then MWO. In fact MWO has more weapon configurations and Planetside doesn't have anything anything but random territory grabing. It was pathetic.

MWO needs content as well, but at least it looks good and runs smooth.

[Volume]

JayTac, on 12 January 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

If I'm wrong, I'd honestly like to know. Maybe they've improved the game since I played. I haven't installed since beta closed despite having an Alpha kit. PS2 was never meant to be a skill based game though. Skill based FPS would fall along the lines of CS, Quake, UT, Nexuiz, etc - Planet Side obviously isn't that style of game.

Thank god, someone else other than me has played Nexuiz.

Also, OP, you should try to get into the Warframe beta.

[Pok Gai]

M4rtyr, on 13 January 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:

Lol, Planetside 2 is better? in what way?

It looks like it 15 years old, and even with the **** graphics the fps is terrible for an average or lower machine. There is no more content then MWO. In fact MWO has more weapon configurations and Planetside doesn't have anything anything but random territory grabing. It was pathetic.

MWO needs content as well, but at least it looks good and runs smooth.

You might not like it, but the majority disagree. MWO recieved 1 nomination for best shooter last year and no awards, and this is what planetside 2 got:


Planetside 2 Open Beta awards of June 2012

Best of Show Best MMO and Bset PC Exclusive: Game Informer

Best Shooter, Best Free to Play, and Best PC Exclusive: GameSpy

Best MMO Game and Best PC Game: IGN

Best MMO - Digital Trends

Best Shooter and MMO - Flesh Eating Zipper

Best MMO - IGN

MMO of the Show - Massively

Game of the Show - MMORPG

Editor's Choice - Polygon

Best FPS - OXCGN

Best Shooter, Best MMO, Best of Show, and Most Awards Received - PC Gamer

Best Game Play: Ten Ton Hammer

Best MMO: Game Rant


Suffice to say, you a fan with your own opinion, but out there in the open and bright lights, MWO is nothing but a niche game and nothing to be excited about. It could of been, but too late now. I doubt "Community warfare" will be any different from WoT's clan wars, and will not be that magical rabbit that saves this game from a early death in obscurity and redicule.

[SpiralRazor]

Orgasmo, on 13 January 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

I get the feeling you like being an attention ho.

Trollago? No way bro!!

Pok Gai, on 13 January 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

You might not like it, but the majority disagree. MWO recieved 1 nomination for best shooter last year and no awards, and this is what planetside 2 got:


Planetside 2 Open Beta awards of June 2012

Best of Show Best MMO and Bset PC Exclusive: Game Informer

Best Shooter, Best Free to Play, and Best PC Exclusive: GameSpy

Best MMO Game and Best PC Game: IGN

Best MMO - Digital Trends

Best Shooter and MMO - Flesh Eating Zipper

Best MMO - IGN

MMO of the Show - Massively

Game of the Show - MMORPG

Editor's Choice - Polygon

Best FPS - OXCGN

Best Shooter, Best MMO, Best of Show, and Most Awards Received - PC Gamer

Best Game Play: Ten Ton Hammer

Best MMO: Game Rant


Suffice to say, you a fan with your own opinion, but out there in the open and bright lights, MWO is nothing but a niche game and nothing to be excited about. It could of been, but too late now. I doubt "Community warfare" will be any different from WoT's clan wars, and will not be that magical rabbit that saves this game from a early death in obscurity and redicule.

As ive said since end of summer, nothing could be better then if PGI flubs it entirely and some competent studio picks the title up.

[Vassago Rain]

>I want muh mechs.
>I want it to look good!
>oooo, pretty mechs!
>no wai I have to buy a 2012 computer for 2012 graffix! NO WAI!
>wah, I want the filter nightmares from frostbite, d00dz!
>I-I-It's not like I asked for the b-b-best graphics, or anything, PGI!

I don't like unreal. Unreal is holding videogaming back by being old and tired. I don't like the modified Q3 engines you're all fawning over, either.

And apparently, PGI don't like them, either, so we're going to have to live with this very SNK like decision to go graphics over everything, and either it'll sink, or it'll become a new standard.

[CrashieJ]

seriously as it stands UNREAL > CRYENGINE. it's very flexible has a wonderful reputation, is used quite a bit in the development industry, can be modified to accept high-poly items.

CryEngine 3 is great for a PC that has all the fixings, it's a great engine but it has to be USED PROPERLY TO IT'S FULLEST CONTENT. that means physics/dynamic tessellation/malleable textures/etc. have to be turned on and ready to go for everything... and it takes a lot of time

seeing the graphics of this game on ULTRAHIGH with everything on max, right now as it stands this game looks right at home with the UNREAL 4 engine, and would probably see a rise in framerate because of it being preoptimized. (CryEngine 3 is still in testing, thats why you can get it for free/really cheap).

maybe down the road we'll be shown the full power of MWO on CryEngine3 with clarity that'll blow us away... maybe not, we'll have to see.

[Vassago Rain]

gavilatius, on 14 January 2013 - 12:13 AM, said:

seriously as it stands UNREAL > CRYENGINE. it's very flexible has a wonderful reputation, is used quite a bit in the development industry, can be modified to accept high-poly items.

CryEngine 3 is great for a PC that has all the fixings, it's a great engine but it has to be USED PROPERLY TO IT'S FULLEST CONTENT. that means physics/dynamic tessellation/malleable textures/etc. have to be turned on and ready to go for everything... and it takes a lot of time

seeing the graphics of this game on ULTRAHIGH with everything on max, right now as it stands this game looks right at home with the UNREAL 4 engine, and would probably see a rise in framerate because of it being preoptimized. (CryEngine 3 is still in testing, thats why you can get it for free/really cheap).

maybe down the road we'll be shown the full power of MWO on CryEngine3 with clarity that'll blow us away... maybe not, we'll have to see.

Which is why I said it's an SNK approach.

[MustrumRidcully]

I wonder if you'll really gone, Abrahms. But I thank you for your posts. I think you came of as trollish, which is not something I like, but you brought up a lot of good points and where quite possibly the trigger for me to start analyzing the game's balance. Not that it did do any good ,but at least I learned something about Excel.

Vassago Rain, on 12 January 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

Someone DARES say something remotely bad about my mech game! I'll show them by mocking the other mech game in their thread. That'll teach them!

Mechwarrior 3 was the best Mechwarrior game ever.

Mustrum "And I don't need to play Mechwarrior 2 to know that!" Ridcully