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[Phelan Kerensky]

GB Krubarax, on 25 May 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

Yes I do.
Becaus if it is something we clan warriors are good at.
It is accepting our fate and following tradition. As you said.
And tradition and rules says that the clan who takes Terra, becomes the IlClan.
Which means, the "race" or competition, if you will, is basicly over.

After this, all clans would basicly be absorbed into the IlClan. Kind of like being taken bondsmen (which you already know, clan warriors rarely, if ever, refuses)

After that, it is simply a matter of letting older generations die off, while lowerig the production od the breeding program to sustain the SLDF.
Thoswe warriors created would still be just as high and might.
Just fewer.

Problem?

This^^

Andar89, on 25 May 2012 - 12:34 AM, said:

somehow I just mumble a song and sing silently to myself....


They see me clannin' they hatein'



ohh damn contractions =D

Haha

GB Krubarax, on 25 May 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

Well, what I love about the BT universe, is, in contrast to many other game-universes (*cough*40K*cough*) It actually MOVES FORWARD and stuff happens.
Not just because someone felt like selling a gazillion more overpriced miniatures and rulebooks, but because it makes the universe interesting.
And the Clan invasion WAS interessting.
This is, of course, my personal view. and It might be a view devided 50/50 or whatever.
But fact is that many people like the clans (for whatever reason) and some do not.

And I do not fear, like someone mentioned, that EVERYONE WILL JUMP TO CLAN MECHS AND JUST BOAT UP ON MUNCHKIN STUFF AND BREAK THE GAME.
Because:

1. Threads like theese show that there are clearly many, many people who would NEVER concider playing as clanners.
2. I have more faith in the devs than that.

Another great point Star Colonel!

GB Krubarax, on 25 May 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

I find it pretty high and mighty to risk your life to protect the civilians, the people and the peace, yes.
A defence force, by name, would not glorify war. but keeping the peace.
And handing out big boots in the rear end to pirates and other ebil-doers

Precisely!

[Krubarax]

I actuallt take pride in the fact that I have never ever talked bad about any other faction or their members.
Ever.
In any forum.
It is not because "I am high and mighty"
This is real world stuff: It is because I find it pointless and irrelevant
I am not going in with pitchforks and flame, defending the clans and shooting down anyone who says they suck.
I defend the clans by telling why I like them, and occationally point out a flawed argument.

Only faction I "dislike" is davion.
And again, that is another topic

[Stormeris]

The only good clanner is a dead one,

[Rufus Jager]

People dislike the clans for the primary reasons that they are the personification of the power gamer mentality and are generally the reason why most of the TT players i know set their games either during the succession wars or the jihad, The word of Blake may not be the greatest villains ever designed but at least they have style when compared to the generic genetic engineered super soldier with game breaking technological superiority and a tacked on honor system to make it seem like it wasn't designed to capture fasa the Power gamers dollar.

[Phelan Kerensky]

GB Krubarax, on 25 May 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

Again.
Please excuse me if I am expressing myself in a confusing matter.
Let me clarify.

I was saying that IF tha clans had won. The clan that captured Terra would become the IlClan, absorbing all other clans.
Then they would continue to fight, untill the "great" houses (whatever is great about them) is subdued.
After that, they would re-create the starleague, giving technology and glory back to the people of the Inner sphere, and rid them of the tyrrany and wars of the house lords and comstar.

THEN they would lower the rate of warriors produced from the breeding program, just to uphold the new STAR LEAGUE DEFENCE FORCE.
Which would be used to keep the peace.

Now I really hompe that I made that easy enough to understand.

Let us hope so Trothkin. Though I doubt it.

GB Krubarax, on 25 May 2012 - 01:03 AM, said:

Every clan warrior, from Mechwarrior to star Captain to Khan, would accept whatever fate brings them.
If Marthe Pryde would capture terra, her Jade Falcons would be the IlClan.
It would then be her responebility to do what ALL clans ultimatly want (though they have different means on how to accomplish it)
Restore the Star League.

All clans also agree that wastign is bad.
Wastign resources on having too many warriors and war-machines for example.

The very first thing Kerensky did, was actually to reduce the SLDF (by the time of the exodus) by 80%
For just the same resaon.

It is not so hard to believe.
What you fail to understand is what drives the CLANS as a hwole.
You grasp what drives a WARRIOR.
But All Warriors eventually die.
The plan is for society to live on

Excellent point Star Colonel.

Stormwolf, on 25 May 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

I think that is a horrible idea for the people who are invested in specific Clans.
A good bidding system would go a long way to keep gameplay balanced.

I completely agree with StormWolf on this. I know I would be extremely pissed at such an idea and know many others who would be as well. A good bidding system and(the Devs have already said they are working on something like this)a system where Clanners gain Honor with which to use to advance in the game by following the rules of Zellbrigen and Clan Warfare. These two, if implemented, would go a huge way to proper balance.

[Krubarax]

By the same token, the only good spehriod is a rasalhagian one

[Aethon]

Stormeris, on 25 May 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

The only good clanner is a dead one,

Broken record is broken.

[Sassori]

So I actually made the mistake of reading the entire thread before posting. Mistake because I should have known what would happen.

I don't hate the Clans. I think they're good boogie men not meant for PC Play. They're the bad guys, the definite black in a world of dark greys.

As a guy running a BT game, the Clans are awesome antagonists but that's all they should be, antagonists.

What I hate is the Players who think they /are/ clan, that their decision to take the best most over-powered mechs makes them somehow superior to people who want to play the game as it was originally designed. The constant diatribe of 'Freebirth' and 'Trashborn' is /not/ conducive to a friendly environment and the OOC forums should most /definitely/ be a friendly environment.

Not that I expect anyone to read this, or to care after this humongous thread but I think PGI should NEVER allow the Clans as a PC faction. Ever. It's nearly impossible to balance. People say: Oh you can use bidding, cept that won't work in an mmo situation. People say: Oh you can use BV, except that clan mechs throw out such stupid amounts of damage they can melt an IS mech in one volley even without pin point targeting. People say: Oh they will use Zellbrigen. No, they won't, and anyone who is delusional enough to think that every Clan player will is precisely that, delusional.

Clans have tech that is at least 150% better than even the Lostech of the original Inner Sphere. Picking it doesn't make anyone a better player, it makes them a munchkin power gamer. Something that is /never/ healthy for a game.

That's my problem with the Clans. They shoulda kept it at 3015 or 3025.

[Sylow]

GB Krubarax, on 25 May 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

I actuallt take pride in the fact that I have never ever talked bad about any other faction or their members.
Ever.
In any forum.

True. Thus i guess i also have to clarify, my statement was not aimed at you. But if you read the thread, you'll find enough "i am clan and thus i am better than you" postings throughout it. Those are the stuff i really dislike and which my statements actually aim at.

If those people actually read the criticism and, even tougher, are able to accept it and adjust their behaviour, time will tell. (Anyways, it's not only clan members with this problem. The "The only good clanner is a dead one" is the same problem from the other side. Not helping. )

[Rufus Jager]

Oh I feel i must also point out that the Clans were designed to be the enemy and you aren't supposed to like them, but they became popular due to victories being easier to come by without having to use these damn tricky tactics.

[DaZur]

Why do we hate the Clans so much?... Easy.

... They love Justin Bieber.

[ajac09]

just dont likem. Never have never will. I rather go into battle with a outscout against them then use a clan mech.. now clan tech heck yeah I will salvage that all day long and throw it on my mechs but I dont like there mechs or the idea behind them

[Sylow]

Rufus Jager, on 25 May 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

Oh I feel i must also point out that the Clans were designed to be the enemy and you aren't supposed to like them, but they became popular due to victories being easier to come by without having to use these damn tricky tactics.

/sign

[Krubarax]

Christopher Dayson, on 25 May 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

snip

I read it. Some good points. some less good points.
I can only speak for myself, and I chose CGB before I knew *** Battletech was.
Because I thought they were cool. Simple as that.

And as long as I get to play CGB with those classic iconic mechs, I honestly do not care if the only difference is that Clan Lasers are blue and IS are red.
That should satisfy you too, quiaff?

Although I sincerly hope that the devs can, and will be smarter than that.

How fun would Star Craft be if the only thing you could build was Marines - no matter what race?
Drop the slavished thinking of the TT and how it got "ruined" by the clans and start thinking in modern computer-game terms.

Balance can be achieved even thougn we do not play with the exact same toys.
Now I really think it is time to bury this dead horse


Edit: Oh, just for fun.
I thought I might add that concidering the TT.
I am just finishing my CGB Trinary of mixed iconic CGB mechs (many Firemoths and Vipers - hooah!) All stock variants of course. (almost forgot the coolest of them all: Grizzly

My next force will be a Capellan, mostly comprised of tanks, VTOLS, infantry and support vehicles.
One lance of mixed Capellan mechs. At most two

Edited by GB Krubarax, 25 May 2012 - 04:23 AM.

[Quentin Yatoki]

GB Krubarax, on 25 May 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

Well that is a good question! And one I have been waiting a long time to talk about, because this is the stuff I am interested in.
This might take this thread slightly (moar) off topic though.

....
This is kind of the crusade of "democracy" and "freedom" of the real word.
But THAT is a completly different subject.
I should end now

Cool, this is the kind of dicussion people should be having. I too actually find the Clans interesting from that point of view. Thanks for the mature response.

Edited by Quentin Yatoki, 25 May 2012 - 04:25 AM.

[Phelan Kerensky]

I agree, also, I will point out that my arguments, and many others'(even those standing for the Spheroids)have been very respectful towards others in this thread and provided valid details and facts based on my knowledge of the lore. This is true even with the RP I put into it. I also respect those who can provide a valid argument based on facts(and even their opinion)without being offensive or acting like an immature child, and if they rp, more power to them, no matter which faction or persona they want to rp...

I simply look down on those whose arguments are disrespectful to their fellow BT/MW fans/players, and those whjo act like little kids trying to get their way all the time with their arguments...

Edited by Phelan Kerensky, 25 May 2012 - 04:26 AM.

[Kittygrinder]

You know what a clanner is? Hes the son of an over confident dumby that thought he was too good for everyone else, so he ran off into the fringes of space for him and his followers to cry for a few hundred years. Then his children come back and start killing everyone because their think their privileged like their dumby daddy, and think they can take over the innersphere. And then a dude named Victor Steiner-Davion layed the smack down and spank them until they stopped crying.

That is what a clanner is, in essence. A spoiled child.

edit: so... i cant use 2 non bad words cause they show up as bad words... hmmmm

Edited by Kittygrinder, 25 May 2012 - 04:29 AM.

[Infine]

Kittygrinder, on 25 May 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

And then a dude named Victor Steiner-Davion layed the smack down and spank them until they stopped crying.

Better canister than fedrat I say

[Krubarax]

Kittygrinder, on 25 May 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

You know what a clanner is? Hes the son of an over confident ****** that thought he was too good for everyone else, so he ran off into the fringes of space for him and his followers to cry for a few hundred years. Then his children come back and start killing everyone because their think their privileged like their ****** daddy, and think they can take over the innersphere. And then a dude named Victor Steiner-Davion layed the smack down and spank them until they stopped crying.

That is what a clanner is, in essence. A spoiled child.

edit: Apprently

Then they came back with all their nice tech - and hordes upn hordes of whiners cried.
And then this dude, Victor, after assassinating his uncle (Ryan was his uncle right?) for killing his brother, went after his sister, who had murdered their mother (and victors beloved), and all the galaxy burned around them, since millions upon millions of people got dragged into their nasty family business.

bliss

Edited by GB Krubarax, 25 May 2012 - 04:32 AM.

[Kittygrinder]

GB Krubarax, on 25 May 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

Then they came back with all their nice tech - and hordes upn hordes of whiners cried.
And then this dude, Victor, after assassination his uncle (Ryan was his uncle right?) for killing his brother, went after his sister, who had murdered their mother, and all the galaxy burned around them, since millions upon millions of people got dragged into their nasty family business.

bliss

It was all Katrina's fault. That girl was crazy. She killed Victors brother, wife, mother, and god knows who else.