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[Particle Man]

JSparrowist, on 15 January 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

There wouldn't be as many complaints here if PGI would unfuck themselves and fix what's being complained about.

People complain about the netcode because it is broken.

oh i know! they arent doing a single thing about it! If only they would make a specific locked thread about that issue and what they're doing about it.

http://mwomercs.com/...t-code-roadmap/

oh, that sure looks like they're just ignoring the problem doesnt it?

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Hitboxes are screwed on certain mechs and combined with the netcode it's a major issue. So naturally people complain about it.

still netcode issues, same answer.

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The match maker is horrible and needs work. So people are going to complain about it.

and they already said they're working on it, we're only at phase2 of the 3phase match maker improvements. So this is another issue that is not only NOT being ignored, but has been talked about and worked on since before open beta even started.

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If no one brings these problems to light, PGI wont know that they're a problem.

except every one of those problems has been brought to light and addressed by the devs. Repeatedly 'bringing them to light' (bitching about them) 100 times a day in as sh*tty of a way as possible isnt going to get it done sooner and doesnt 'help' the devs do anything. They know, they've known for a while. Sh*t doesnt get fixed over night

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Why would they introduce a Mech that suffers from at least two of the major problems that are complained about on a daily basis instead of at least attempting to fix the problems it suffers from first?

probably because it was finished and has no effect on the issues it suffers from and is not related to those problems. once the problem is fixed, so will the mech. What, in your genius level game development mind, would leaving that mech out have done?

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PGI is out of touch and just doesn't care. They shun the community and then people wonder why the community is toxic

except they're not. I;ve shown you that they are aware of and addressed every issue you brought up. The fact that you either dont know that or choose to ignore that in order to keep crying about it because YOU didnt get what YOU want NOW! only shows that YOU and those like you are the one that's out of touch.

[Adridos]

JSparrowist, on 15 January 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

There wouldn't be as many complaints here if PGI would unfuck themselves and fix what's being complained about.

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Do you want to have a reasonable discussion with me now? I don't think so. Why? Because I'm stating the same damn thing aain and again and again and again,... ad infinitum.

They do know netcode is broken and are working on it and as Particle Man pointed out, every single issue you posted, yet it is brought up every single hour in a new thread. By the time you end reading my post,l there will be another complainer who thinks they don't know netcode is broken and so on...

Edited by Dakkath, 16 January 2013 - 12:50 PM.
Cleaned up post.

[Jman5]

The difference between why reddit is a pleasant community and this place is a cesspool lies in the format. Over at Reddit, the troll and grumpy Gus is downvoted into obscurity. Over here, controversy gets lots of responses and their threads get continually bumped to the top.

Of course there are pros and cons to each one. Forums are good for creating high volume of threads, while reddit will realistically only have about a dozen new submissions a day. But if you're sick of the BS whining about the same handful of topics from the same handful of malcontents, I suggest you come over.

Edited by Jman5, 16 January 2013 - 11:37 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Jman5, on 16 January 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

The difference between why reddit is a pleasant community and this place is a cesspool lies in the format. Over at Reddit, the troll and grumpy Gus is downvoted into obscurity. Over here, controversy gets lots of responses and their threads get continually bumped to the top.

Of course there are pros and cons to each one. Forums are good for creating high volume of threads, while reddit will realistically only have about a dozen new submissions a day. But if you're sick of the BS whining about the same handful of topics from the same handful of malcontents, I suggest you come over.

I don't approve of your format, as it makes it very easy to simply bomb people you don't like out of existence.

[Orzorn]

Adridos, on 16 January 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

Do you want to have a reasonable discussion with me now? I don't think so. Why? Because I'm stating the same damn thing aain and again and again and again,... ad infinitum.

They do know netcode is broken and are working on it and as Particle Man pointed out, every single issue you posted, yet it is brought up every single hour in a new thread. By the time you end reading my post,l there will be another complainer who thinks they don't know netcode is broken and so on...

How is one supposed to have a discussion when, in terms of beta issues, the ones constantly repeated are always around and always discused? You cant act as though one user shouldnt expess their thoughts on the issue just because its been brought up before. To me that represents a more serious idea: that this game has been plagued with the same issues for several months straight. The only thing left to be said is that we hope PGI can get all those gixes theyve been harping about out. That is the bottom line. Content is trickling in at thisnpoint. What content we do get, like the spider, is killed by those old issues. As I said, I guess there really isnt much left to discuss. Al that is left is for PGI to fix the problems that have been beaten to death.

Edited by Dakkath, 16 January 2013 - 12:50 PM.
Cleaned up post/quote

[Ilwrath]

Jman5, on 16 January 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

The difference between why reddit is a pleasant community and this place is a cesspool lies in the format. Over at Reddit, the troll and grumpy Gus is downvoted into obscurity. Over here, controversy gets lots of responses and their threads get continually bumped to the top.

Of course there are pros and cons to each one. Forums are good for creating high volume of threads, while reddit will realistically only have about a dozen new submissions a day. But if you're sick of the BS whining about the same handful of topics from the same handful of malcontents, I suggest you come over.

Reddit is fanboi heaven. Probably the worst forum on the web. It tend to attract devs and the like because they just LOVE yes-men.

It is like all those paid gamer sites apart from not being payed but powered by massive brown-nosing.

[Jman5]

Vassago Rain, on 16 January 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

I don't approve of your format, as it makes it very easy to simply bomb people you don't like out of existence.

I'm not sure what the administrators do, but I don't really see this sort of abuse happen on a large scale. There is a lot of stuff going on in the background that make it difficult for bots and such to operate. Plus I believe there is a subreddit out there where you can get help from the admins if you're being targeted.

Either way what usually happens is the rest of the community get upset when a user is being downvoted unfairly and they always outnumber the trolls by a large amount.

[Adridos]

Orzorn, on 16 January 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

How is one supposed to have a discussion when, in terms of beta issues, the ones constantly repeated are always around and always discused? You cant act as though one user shouldnt expess their thoughts on the issue just because its been brought up before.

As I said, I guess there really isnt much left to discuss. Al that is left is for PGI to fix the problems that have been beaten to death.

Yeah, there's a problem regarding what to do on these forums regarding actual feedback for now.
However, some people still take it to extreme. One thing is discussing, the other is what JSparrowist showed.

Bottom line, you could've eddited out the practicle example part of my post, there is little need for it in quote and it takes a lot of space.

Jman5, on 16 January 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

I'm not sure what the administrators do, but I don't really see this sort of abuse happen on a large scale.

Actually, he's talking from his own experience. Generally, not in reddit.

If the downvotes were allowed, 90% of his posts would get downvoted into oblivion for obvious reasons.

Edited by Adridos, 16 January 2013 - 11:57 AM.

[Jman5]

Ilwrath, on 16 January 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

Reddit is fanboi heaven. Probably the worst forum on the web. It tend to attract devs and the like because they just LOVE yes-men.

It is like all those paid gamer sites apart from not being payed but powered by massive brown-nosing.

Call it what you want. I actually don't think the two communities are much different from one another. Almost every time I see an angry forum poll where some hater is expecting people to support his rage, the poll swings wildly in the positive. Reddit just has more features in place to reflect how the community actually feels.

[Erik Jast]

Reddit is the perfect fanboi heaven. They sit around brown nosing PGI, group vote down actual concerns of the game. No wonder the devs hide there, there they think their game is gold and perfect, their egos are stroked every minute by their fanbois. Here, it's the reality of the game and the majority of the players, Developers don't want to deal in reality. They want to be told their game rocks.

[Congzilla]

Myself and the other mods are very active on /r/mwo and /r/credditmwo. The spam filter helps make our jobs easier and the users using the report system makes it easier still.

Erik Jast, on 16 January 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

Reddit is the perfect fanboi heaven. They sit around brown nosing PGI, group vote down actual concerns of the game. No wonder the devs hide there, there they think their game is gold and perfect, their egos are stroked every minute by their fanbois. Here, it's the reality of the game and the majority of the players, Developers don't want to deal in reality. They want to be told their game rocks.

No, the majority of the players are not on these forums. Plenty of negative remarks about the game get upvoted, because they are posted constructively.

[Viper69]

Volthorne, on 15 January 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

We actually had the head of the net code department sharing some really good answers with us on these forums not two hours ago. Then the unappreciative trolls showed up. So, no, the Devs are not "hiding", they're ignoring all the recycled and dumb topics people keep posting.

Its really sad that netcode has seemed to have taken a backseat up until now. We had this same problem in closed beta and honestly it should have never left closed beta in this state. I do appreciate the answers but they have never answered why they went OB on shatty netcode.

Pihb, on 15 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Another Founder fanboi reply. blah blah blah

Also you, just go away and stop painting everyone with a banner into a corner.

[Erik Jast]

Viper69, on 16 January 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

Its really sad that netcode has seemed to have taken a backseat up until now. We had this same problem in closed beta and honestly it should have never left closed beta in this state. I do appreciate the answers but they have never answered why they went OB on shatty netcode.

The lack of matchmaking was also brought up numerous times in Closed Beta, constructively by many players. It was also ignored until after they went Open Beta and new players started trying to join the game, then leaving after giving MWO a couple of hours. They saw those statistics and went 'oh ****, the closed beta testers were right'.

[Particle Man]

Vassago Rain, on 16 January 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

I don't approve of your format, as it makes it very easy to simply bomb people you don't like out of existence.

i can see how someone like you wouldnt like that sort of system

[Viper69]

Erik Jast, on 16 January 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

The lack of matchmaking was also brought up numerous times in Closed Beta, constructively by many players. It was also ignored until after they went Open Beta and new players started trying to join the game, then leaving after giving MWO a couple of hours. They saw those statistics and went 'oh ****, the closed beta testers were right'.

I have to say I agree. The biggest selling point of joining a corp and even for me was to be on the stomping end enstead of the end being stomped. Its like joining a street gang to avoid being beaten up by other gangs.

[Congzilla]

Erik Jast, on 16 January 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

The lack of matchmaking was also brought up numerous times in Closed Beta, constructively by many players. It was also ignored until after they went Open Beta and new players started trying to join the game, then leaving after giving MWO a couple of hours. They saw those statistics and went 'oh ****, the closed beta testers were right'.

Not getting it fixed and ignoring it are two very different things.

[Garrath]

I saw the title: I know where the DEVs hide...

And i expected: Under a rock! (head in the sand, etc, something like that)

But really, to the PGI fanboys saying 'they've answered all our questions' etc, 3 letters: ECM. They won't even acknowledge it's a concern and have even said 'There are no major complaints at all.' Lol...

[Fut]

If the Devs have stopped posting on here because of all the complaints and trolls, or whatever reason people believe... Why don't they just make "Announcements" regarding the patches and stuff, you know, closed threads where they can tell us what's going on behind the scenes... They wouldn't have to put up with all the ******** that way.

Really, all anybody wants is to know what's going on and why.
The fact that all the people TESTING this game are being ignored is infuriating... it's no wonder people ***** and moan all the time.

(Don't take this as me bitching and moaning. I'm perfectly happy to just ride this out and see where the game goes. Patience is a virtue after all. My fingers are crossed that the Devs don't **** things up though.)

[Congzilla]

Garrath, on 16 January 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

I saw the title: I know where the DEVs hide...

And i expected: Under a rock! (head in the sand, etc, something like that)

But really, to the PGI fanboys saying 'they've answered all our questions' etc, 3 letters: ECM. They won't even acknowledge it's a concern and have even said 'There are no major complaints at all.' Lol...

They said flat out when ECM was launched that they would not be changing it for a while. Why would you expect any additional responses?

[Listless Nomad]

Rodder, on 15 January 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

Question:

Would you like to discuss with people that are not able to understand that netcode and art are different departments, even if you explain it to them over and over again?

Just browse the board, you will find a lot of "why spider, we want netcode and stage 3 MM " postings.

Why spider?

BECAUSE IT WAS DONE AND READY TO DELIVER!!!

I don`t see any use in holding back content just to satisfy people to stupid to understand the difference between 3d-art and code. If i where a DEV i would not discuss with them either, some people just don`t have the mental capacity to understand what other people are writing.

Just because its done doesn't mean it should be implemented when it is exceedingly likely to exacerbate existing issues. As a hypothetical, if the devs had a raven variant that had 4 missile hard points, JJ, and ECM ready to go, I would hope that they would hold off on releasing it until hit detection and lag were better addressed.

The devs noticed and aknowledged that the spider had rubberbanding and warping issues. They already know that hit detection is trash on fast mechs. So rather than waiting a month, they knowingly released a mech that makes existing problems worse. Waiting a month doesn't mean the code work they did decays. Yes 3d art work and net coding is done in different departments. But they could either work on a different mech or could have worked on one before the spider. These are not new issues and I can almost guarantee that they were identified prior to major work being done on the spider. Since the devs have made the conciliatory decision to release mechs in an order separate to how the concept arts were released, there really isn't a logical reason as to why this mech was chosen over others light the highlander or the jagermech.