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RobinSage, on 17 January 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

You are not a PAID Q & A tester for PGI are you? No. So therefore your opinion doesn't matter. I would just suggest sending proof of bugs by sending screenshots or video to support@pgi.com would be the best way to get YOUR concerns to the devs. Flaming the devs or other community members on the forums will definitely NOT make your voice heard.

Perhaps being tactful, direct and doing what the devs have TOLD you to do as a tester might work. Again this is a case of someone bitching about something they don't know much about because they haven't taken the time to see what they're SUPPOSED to be doing as a Beta Tester.

This is where you're wrong.

We've made a ton of tickets. Most of the time they just get closed with a "we'll look into it" but arm-mounted PPCs and ACs still fire off in random wild directions on top of all the ACTUAL issues we have sometimes.

[Karl Marlow]

Tennex, on 16 January 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

it has been said over and over by forum users that this game is beta.

So why ignore the beta testers?


I mean if you take a A1DS test and it calls you a wh*re while you are taking it, do you ignore the test results just because it was rude?

No, that'd be denial, and ignoring the issue just ends up killing you, when you could have gotten it treated. Here is the A1DS test PGI: http://mwomercs.com/...esponse-survey/

I'm not saying its okay to be rude in these forums, but take it objectively as an indication that there are some issues in the game.

It is really impossible to answer your question until you give us more information on the fictional world you live in where the devs are ignoring the beta testers.

[Particle Man]

Grraarrgghh, on 16 January 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

I like how you invented more 0s to prove your point.



Taken 2 minutes ago.

unfortunately for your still probably pretty accurate picture, there are plenty of people who play it but dont play it through steam.

[fil5000]

Particle Man, on 17 January 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

unfortunately for your still probably pretty accurate picture, there are plenty of people who play it but dont play it through steam.

Can you show us the numbers then? I'm interested to see them.

[Grraarrgghh]

Particle Man, on 17 January 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

unfortunately for your still probably pretty accurate picture, there are plenty of people who play it but dont play it through steam.

That may be, but the claim I was responding to was in regards to Steam numbers alone.

[Congzilla]

BDU Havoc, on 17 January 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

Which I'm taking to understand that means that the NARC launcher isn't affected by ECM, but the pod it fires is.
How is that supposed to work? The weapon itself isn't affected by ECM, but the only reason to use it, is.

I read it as the missiles stile home in on the beacon and they just lose their cluster hit table bonus. Battletech rules were never known for clarity. Either way I think playing it that way would add a nice additional ECM counter and add the only reason at all to use NARC.

[ArmandTulsen]

Who or what are the goons?

[fil5000]

ArmandTulsen, on 17 January 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

Who or what are the goons?

We ruin everything. That's about all you need to know really.

[Solis Obscuri]

Nekki Basara, on 17 January 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

The Mk I Eyeball and the toggle switch on that same piece of equipment provide far more depth than your minimap ever will. Be better at mek.

I don't need a faceroll box to be good at mek. Sorry to hear that your forehead and keyboard feel differently.

[Nekki Basara]

Good one. You sure told me.

[Protoculture]

ArmandTulsen, on 17 January 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

Who or what are the goons?

They are little kids who think Trolling in every conceivable way is clever/cool. A pretty sad little club really. They came from EVE Online but are more widespread now.

[Kraven Kor]

DaZur, on 17 January 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:

Never understood the premise that if "X" suggestion is not implemented in "Y" time-frame, that this somehow is demonstrative of the Devs not listening and or not caring...

Nothing but self-imposed deadlines...

"I didn't get what I wanted so I'm going to cry and scream and holler until I do."

[fil5000]

Protoculture, on 17 January 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

They are little kids who think Trolling in every conceivable way is clever/cool. A pretty sad little club really. They came from EVE Online but are more widespread now.

Well there's goons with reg dates of 1999 and Eve started in 2003 so no to your last point. Also no to your first point as it has to be pretty specific trolling to be worth bothering. And no to the middle one because our club is awesome and has a treehouse.

[Bguk]

fil5000, on 17 January 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

We ruin everything. That's about all you need to know really.

Great, thanks for the whole premade/pug debacle.

Protoculture, on 17 January 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

They are little kids who think Trolling in every conceivable way is clever/cool. A pretty sad little club really. They came from EVE Online but are more widespread now.

Although not a goon myself, this is pretty much not true. The kids part. And the sad club part. Well, your entitled to your own opinion so nm that.

[Kraven Kor]

Protoculture, on 17 January 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

They are little kids who think Trolling in every conceivable way is clever/cool. A pretty sad little club really. They came from EVE Online but are more widespread now.

No.

They "rose to power" in EVE Online, but, in reality, the Goons long predate that game via the Something Awful website.

Most Goons are normal, everyday internet folk no different from me or you other than "having joined Goons."

A very few Goons have, in fact, earned them their overall reputation through various nefarious (albeit "legal within the game") acts within EVE Online - scams, griefing, etc.

They are also known for "throwing their weight around" and launching threadnaughts and other campaigns to achieve this or that goal. For good or ill.

Edited by Kraven Kor, 17 January 2013 - 02:17 PM.

[Protoculture]

Bguk, on 17 January 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

Great, thanks for the whole premade/pug debacle.



Although not a goon myself, this is pretty much not true. The kids part. And the sad club part. Well, your entitled to your own opinion so nm that.

I have seen them attempt to ruin multiple game titles including ones from small independent indie devs so they get no love from me. Being physically old doesn't make you not a kid if you act like a 12 yo juvenile delinquent starving for attention.

EDIT: Although that doesn't necessarily include the ones posting here I have seen posts complaining about them trying to roll pugs with premades and **** talking all the while. Maybe it's them, maybe it's not. Dinner time anyway.

Edited by Protoculture, 17 January 2013 - 02:17 PM.

[fil5000]

Protoculture, on 17 January 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

I have seen them attempt to ruin multiple game titles including ones from small independent indie devs so they get no love from me. Being physically old doesn't make you not a kid if you act like a 12 yo juvenile delinquent starving for attention.

EDIT: Although that doesn't necessarily include the ones posting here I have seen posts complaining about them trying to roll pugs with premades and **** talking all the while. Maybe it's them, maybe it's not. Dinner time anyway.

To be serious for a moment, you know we actually LIKE this game, right? We have no interest in ruining it. We want it to be fun. We will absolutely show up in terrible threads and do everything possible within the CoC to get that thread closed down, and we will talk stupid nonsense in game. That doesn't mean we want the game to fail.

Please cite examples of when goons have set out to destroy a game, I would love to hear about it.

Also, while some people may think it's fun to sync drop two 4 man groups just to roll pugs, you won't find many of them among the goons. 4 mans is for fun, 8 mans is for practice, and sync dropping to make things easier is stupid and dumb. Please provide details of any goons you have seen doing this so we can beat them with sticks.

EDIT: OH WAIT EVERYONE HE'S GONE FOR HIS DINNER

Edited by fil5000, 17 January 2013 - 02:26 PM.

[Hubis]

Can we have less "Goon-chat" in a gameplay thread?

[Nekki Basara]

^^^^
No :colbert:

Protoculture, on 17 January 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

They are little kids who think Trolling in every conceivable way is clever/cool. A pretty sad little club really. They came from EVE Online but are more widespread now.

Yack!

[DivineCoffeeBinge]

Tennex, on 16 January 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

it has been said over and over by forum users that this game is beta.

So why ignore the beta testers?


I mean if you take a A1DS test and it calls you a wh*re while you are taking it, do you ignore the test results just because it was rude?

No, that'd be denial, and ignoring the issue just ends up killing you, when you could have gotten it treated. Here is the A1DS test PGI: http://mwomercs.com/...esponse-survey/

I'm not saying its okay to be rude in these forums, but take it objectively as an indication that there are some issues in the game.

Why is it that every time I see a thread - in this or any game - talking about how a game company is ignoring its players, my mind always filters out the post's actual words and replaces them with "Why isn't this game EXACTLY THE WAY I WANT IT TO BE RIGHT NOW and also I want candy"?
...oh, right. It's because I've seen it enough times.
Fact is, for all its problems - and there are plenty of problems - MWO is still a work in progress. That doesn't mean you should just shrug and ignore any ongoing issues - but it does mean that, in an ideal world at least, you should give the developers at least a basic degree of benefit of the doubt. This assumption - and it is an assumption, make no mistake about it - that the devs are simply ignoring you and therefore you should spend some time hollering about it is unwarranted.
Fact is, we don't know how the PGI staff is responding to each and every issue being addressed. My personal bete noire with MWO is the Yellow Screen Bug - where the boot-up sequence doesn't seem to completely finish and you end up entering the match with your screen still all yellow-y-orange-y and impossible to actually play with. That happens to me not infrequently. I am willing to bet, however, that PGI is working on it. I don't need to see daily blog posts saying "We're aware of the Yellow Screen bug! Here's what we did today to address it! We changed lines 25803 through 25814 in the code!" Because that would be stupid, and it would take time that I would prefer the PGI folks spend actually working on stuff.
The game is not where you want it at present. That's cool. I get that. It's not where I want it either. But I would, in the fictional universe where I'm someone you should listen to and not just some random dude on the internet, prescribe a deep breath and an adjustment of perspective and perhaps a shelving of the entitlement. I'm not someone you have to listen to, of course, so I doubt that's a prescription that will ever be filled, but hey, a guy can dream, right?

Kraven Kor, on 17 January 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

No.

They "rose to power" in EVE Online, but, in reality, the Goons long predate that game via the Something Awful website.

Most Goons are normal, everyday internet folk no different from me or you other than "having joined Goons."

A very few Goons have, in fact, earned them their overall reputation through various nefarious (albeit "legal within the game") acts within EVE Online - scams, griefing, etc.

They are also known for "throwing their weight around" and launching threadnaughts and other campaigns to achieve this or that goal.  For good or ill.

The notion that any group as large as 'The Goons' can be described in a couple of quick "oh so very cutting" lines is facetious at best. Thank you, Kraven, for recognizing this.
Fact is, Goons are... well, people who use the Something Awful website. Some of them are loud, obnoxious trolls. Some of them are griefers. Some of them derive inordinate pleasure from making small children cry and kicking puppies. And some of them are pretty chill dudes you'd probably get along with just fine. The generalizations don't help anyone understand the Goon, is what I'm getting at.
If there's any generalization to be made, however, it's probably this - that Goons love to puncture inflated egos. And on the Internet, there are always plenty of egos to puncture. If the Goon Hivemind seems to have singled you (that's the general, non-specific "you") out for poking at, it might be worth considering whether or not you've been a mammoth tool any time recently.
(The answer might be 'no,' I grant you. Some Goons are just jerks. But I bet it's 'yes' for more people than would admit it.)