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[RussianWolf]

Okay, we have the topic of what we would actually pay for. How about a topic of why we won't pay more right now?

For me:
1) the almighty ecm ruins the game for me. does way too much for so little space/cbills/weight and is run by way too many people.

2) no Solaris. I want a mode where I don't have to depend on a team. I don't get to play enough usually to be on a real team, so PUG games are all I get. With the 4 and 8 man teams dropping in PUGs it ruins the game experience for new players as well as solo players like myself.

To me for these two reason you won't get another penny. Fix them and we'll talk.

So what about you others?

[Praeses]

You could state the same issues without the "menacing" tone, and you could get more and better answers

[Ryvucz]

Plenty of topics out there just like this one.

[RussianWolf]

Ryvucz, on 17 January 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

Plenty of topics out there just like this one.

You are right. And they haven't addressed the problems. So it needs to be brought up again.

Praeses, on 17 January 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

You could state the same issues without the "menacing" tone, and you could get more and better answers

I'm not looking for answers, I'm looking for action. And I'm not menacing, I'm stating a fact. I plopped down $120 to support this game. If they don't want to cater to me, that's fine. Not another red cent from me until they do though. (its called using my wallet to do the talking).

The ECM question has been in the dev questions for the past month with no response. I won't even mention how long the Solaris/Free-For-All request has been out there. No response.

If you want to spend your money right now that's fine. I just wanted to give the devs a place to look to see who was dissatisfied enough that they won't pay more and why.

[Postumus]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, voting with your wallet doesn't involve your mouth. Don't wanna spend money on the game? Fine, don't spend your money. But don't make negative, "ultimatum" posts. If you have some actual feedback, as opposed to just "I dont like ECM and it 'ruins' my game", make a constructive thread. But both of the things your have suggested, changes to ECM and the addition of a Solaris arena, have had MANY threads devoted to them. Fine one and contribute to it, instead of adding to the clutter and crap that already infests this game's forums. Stating that you aren't going to pay anymore isn't a suggestion, and asking people whether or not they agree with you belongs in General, if anything.

Edited by Postumus, 17 January 2013 - 01:25 PM.

[RussianWolf]

Postumus, on 17 January 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

But don't make negative, "ultimatum" posts.

Or what?

I'll post whatever I like within the rules of the forum.

Don't like it, don't read it.

[Praeses]

RussianWolf, on 17 January 2013 - 01:28 PM, said:

Or what?

I'll post whatever I like within the rules of the forum.

Don't like it, don't read it.

but, if they don't read it what's the point?

[RussianWolf]

Praeses, on 17 January 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

but, if they don't read it what's the point?

Trust me, if we get people stating what the problems are that are deal breakers in here, and the powers that be see the title and a lot of activity, they will read it. When they feel something will hurt sales, they pay attention.

And since other attempts have been ignored, why not?

[Praeses]

It's a valid argument but you would need more people for it to work, so maybe you could be more subtle at start (no ultimatums) so you can gather more people to agree with you.

[RussianWolf]

There is already a group of people who will not pay for the current state of the game. I'm trying to give them a place to put the "why" so that the powers that be can see them in one place and not dig through 100 threads. A place to see the potential revenue that isn't being tapped and why.

As far as the ultimatum, "the nail that sticks out the most gets hammered"

I've often been described as lacking diplomacy, but I get the job done.

[Praeses]

then wouldn't a poll be more suitable than just a post?

numbers speak harder than words sometimes, and if you do it right, people would state why they won't pay without having just the responses you got so far

[General Taskeen]

The game already is Team Death Match Solaris Warrior Online in maps that are really just small Solaris Arena's. Everyone runs out and dies eventually. If you're the last one alive, too bad, you have to go and die in a blaze of glory, Solaris style, or your team mates will reveal your position, cuz they want their instant gratification. Just a big 'ol brawl. There is no option for tactical retreat or large-scale 2 hour battles like MW:LL.

[Perfecto Oviedo]

RussianWolf, on 17 January 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

You are right. And they haven't addressed the problems. So it needs to be brought up again.

No, it doesn't need to be brought up again. Because just because you think they're not addressing the problem, doesn't mean they don't know about it and arent working on it.

I don't remember where, but recently on here (or NGNG) there was a post that a Dev (maybe Russ?) stated that they're looking at ECM, but aren't going to tell us what they have in mind until THEY have a clear picture, because their interim ideas fluctuate day to day, if they go all stream-of-consciousness about their plans, we will get a metric ton of useless information, most of which won't make it into the game anyway.

Also, the command chair has a few posts about the netcode roadmap and what they're doing to fix it, but there is no "make the game better" button, so these things take time.

Those are just two issues I see people go on and on about. PGI isn't trying to sabotage their own game like Snidely-freaking-Whiplash. Calm down.

Just saying "IT'S STILL HERE SO THEY'RE NOT ADDRESSING IT" is tiresome and frankly just wrong. We really don't need another post about it.

[Ryvucz]

RussianWolf, on 17 January 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

You are right. And they haven't addressed the problems. So it needs to be brought up again.

"We have beaten this horse to death with a stick, we shall continue to beat it with a stick until it gives us what we want".

Albert Einstein's definition of insanity -
Doing the same thing multiple times expecting a different outcome.

[Psydotek]

I've already given them my money. I will however not be cashing in my MCs until a proper Attack/Defend mode is implemented along with integrated voice chat. Tonnage limits and decent matchmaking and/or some sort of lobby system would be nice too.

Give me both of those and I will start using my MCs and i'll think about buying more.

[Magitek]

I think the latest patch with the Spider battlemech will help push the biggest issues with EMC to the front. Which is great for solving many balance issue.

[Adrienne Vorton]

ECM is being looked into, that statement was made several times in the last 7 days by PGI (Garth in special)...(though i myself have no problems with the current system of ECM, and i´m not using it myself)

and the lack of "solaris game mode" ... well did anyone ever promise you to have it? it´s been an idea that "may be taken into consideration for the future"...

so basically you are not willing to pay for things that are not part of the contract... ( icould also say "i am not paying anymore, because there is no open world permanent battle yet"... something we all know most likely will never happen, at least not in the near future) ... and for things that take some time... ECM just got into public testing and is being investigated...

no one forces you to pay money on this game, but your reasons are more than questionable...

i for my part will happily spend more money here and there (not a huge ammount though, unless i win in the lottery^^...a few days premium now and then, and maybe a few more mechbays)

so PGI can create all the content i´d like to see in the game (like solaris, story/mission based gamemodes etc.), and not shut the project down halfway down the road due to lack of funding

oh and just for understanding:

last year was dedicated to the client and the core gameplay itself... this year will see the content grow... i am looking forward to it

Edited by Adrienne Vorton, 17 January 2013 - 11:47 PM.

[focuspark]

ECM as is deters me from paying anymore into MW:O because I do not have faith that it'll survive long enough to make my investment worth while, unless they fix and I mean really fix ECM.

Don't give a **** about Solaris style gameplay.