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[Colaessus]

There is a general census among the old farts that Mech Assault is "not battletech"

All because it is a Arcade style play.and not a simulator that they are familiar with,

Like 'LoL' Every one knows all the load outs for each chassis and it came down to maneuvering and timing your shots. We have the same understanding of combat as PC players and probably have a better understanding of what MWO will be then PC players. As we are forced to uses all weight classes on the field

We Mechassault pilots will talk with are tonnage on the battlefield.

[Razor Kotovsky]

So you say spheroids are all mechassault fans?

[Ritter]

Frankly, there is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference in the style of piloting you are talking about. I've played both Mechwarrior games AND MechAssault games and I can tell you this; bring your MechAssault skills onto the battlefield and prepare to get your *** hammered flat.

MW Mechs handle differently than MA Mechs. Major point difference is in the speed and capabilities of the movement and agility of the Mechs.

Aside from that you also have the fact that in MA, you had at most, what, a hand full of pilots per match? MWO is most likely going to have a HELL of a lot more then that, plus MUCH larger battlefields. You prepared for that capacity of destruction coming at you from a horrifying amount of angles? Me thinks no.

My advice, drop the controller and grab a copy of MW4 and a joystick. Start practicing and learning now, and MAYBE you'll do better then your friends.

[metaphysic]

Mechassault was a joke. They dumbed down every aspect of a traditional Mechwarrior game to the point where it was almost unrecognizable.

Comparing the skill cap of any console game to a PC game is silly. PC games are always more difficult than consoles because their control scheme allows, and thus requires, more precision to perform at the highest levels.

[Ilfi]

Sorry, no. I've played every MechWarrior and every MechAssault, and while some of the basic skills that exist in MechAssault can translate into MechWarrior, the MW series has a lot of extra mechanics that outright did not exist in MechAssault, and these mechanics are so integral to gameplay that you won't be on equal footing until you master them.

1) Radar/signature management. This includes, but is not limited to: Passive vs. Active radar, BAP/ECM, targeting, and intentional Shut Down.
2) Heat management beyond that of a simple heat meter. This means equipping/managing heat sinks, coolant, calculating how much heat your variant's alpha will generate and compensating appropriately, how to deal with heaters, etc.
3) Actually aiming. Sorry, charging up a homing PPC (they ****ing homed, for chrissakes) behind a building, then popping out of cover to throw it out and follow it up with a wave of LRMs that instantly lock on won't work in MechWarrior. Weapons won't home like that, you don't have auto-aim and you'll actually need to focus on the Head, CT, Rear or Legs if you want to kill someone.

Other mechanics you may not have heard of:
1) The MechLab
2) Shutdown Override
3) Getting Up
4) Zoom Enhancement
5) Maximum Torso Twist Range
6) Turning vs. Torso Twisting to aim
7) Throttle's effect on Turning Speed
8) Weapon Grouping; Single, Chain and Group Fire

While I appreciate how eager you are to die, you would be wise to recognize the additional layer of complexity that you're about to jump into. You won't have snappy 360-degree torsos that can turn on a dime, you won't have your precious auto-aim and you won't stand a shadow of a chance in a stock loadout.

Good luck, mate. You'll need it.

Edited by FenixStryk, 04 November 2011 - 09:56 PM.

[Colaessus]

It seems many do not understand the concept of a "Arcade" style game.

The actual statistics of game mechanics are irrelevant when comparing user skill and interaction.
Adaptation, look it up.

[Tyra]

Ritter, on 04 November 2011 - 09:27 PM, said:

My advice, drop the controller and grab a copy of MW4 and a joystick. Start practicing and learning now, and MAYBE you'll do better then your friends.

Best part? MW4 is now free mektek.net

I'd go play living legends, but I'm waiting for crysis warhead to go on a steam sale again.. XD

[CeeKay Boques]

I can't tell if trolling or serious...

[Razor Kotovsky]

Tyra, on 04 November 2011 - 09:47 PM, said:

Best part? MW4 is now free mektek.net

I'd go play living legends, but I'm waiting for crysis warhead to go on a steam sale again.. XD

It's just ten bux, dude.

technoviking, on 04 November 2011 - 09:49 PM, said:

I can't tell if trolling or serious...

Assume trolling, it's not as frightening.

Edited by Razor Kotovsky, 04 November 2011 - 09:56 PM.

[Razor Kotovsky]

Argh, doublepost.

Edited by Razor Kotovsky, 04 November 2011 - 09:56 PM.

[Tyra]

Razor Kotovsky, on 04 November 2011 - 09:53 PM, said:

It's just ten bux, dude.
Assume trolling, it's not as frightening.

Ten bucks, where? It's 20 on steam. Not paying that for a game I only want a mod for

[Ritter]

Amro_One, on 04 November 2011 - 09:46 PM, said:

It seems many do not understand the concept of a "Arcade" style game.

The actual statistics of game mechanics are irrelevant when comparing user skill and interaction.
Adaptation, look it up.

I'm confused here, are you advocating for MechAssault as being a comparable skill set to MW?
Or are you saying it doesn't compare and agreeing with the rest of us?

If the latter, I say good on ya.

If the former, Adaptation has NOTHING to do with the comparison. You're telling me that "Adapting" to a few different Mech variants and how they handle in an "Arcade" style game allows that person to "Adapt" to the complexity of a Simulator? The amount of controls and options available to them that can't be done using a controller will flat out send them into sensory over load their first firefight!

That said, lets move on.


Edit: Also, just actually read the title of this thread. How does MechAssault translate into Freebirth Pilots? Freebirth is a term reserved amongst the Clan societies, not the IS. Although... if you are using it in a context that MW players/pilots are Trueborn, and MA pilots/players as Freeborn, then yes I could see the correlation you are using. If that's the case, Kudo's to you being a console player and actually looking up Lore.

Edited by Ritter, 04 November 2011 - 10:14 PM.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Amro_One, on 04 November 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

There is a general census among the old farts that Mech Assault is "not battletech"

Yes, Mech[In]sult is NOT a part of Battletech, its an arcade rip-off used by M$ to make more money.

[DamoclesGuard]

Yeah as someone who's played both MechAssaults, and the Mechwarrior PC games... they have virtually nothing in common.
Except they deal with the BT universe. and have mechs. Plus MA didn't even follow the universe correctly. Prometheus for example wasn't a Atlas it was a Daiashi, piloted by Prince Victor Steiner-Davion, given to him by Jamie Wolf of Wolfs Dragoons.

I'm not going to even go into the game play differences, FenixStryk hit that nail already.

[TheForce]

Amro_One, on 04 November 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

There is a general census among the old farts that Mech Assault is "not battletech"

This old **** would say that multiplayer mech assault games felt way more like Btech than multiplayer mw2, 3, or 4 games with CUSTOM mechs.

But for stock battles, MW feels better.

[Tsen Shang]

Amro_One, on 04 November 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

There is a general census among the old farts that Mech Assault is "not battletech"

A census is already general.

/nitpick

[Jack Gallows]

Mechassault was like watching handicapped children run around for hours with glow sticks in their hands.

It makes the brain hurt.

[rollermint]

Amro_One, on 04 November 2011 - 09:46 PM, said:

It seems many do not understand the concept of a "Arcade" style game.

The actual statistics of game mechanics are irrelevant when comparing user skill and interaction.
Adaptation, look it up.

Of course you'll learn to adapt. I prefer you stay with the game and generate revenue for pgi rather than rage quitting after getting ur *** handed over by veteran and clearly superior PC mechwarriors.

Thats exactly wats gonna happen if u play MWO as if its another MA.

[Jack Gallows]

rollermint, on 04 November 2011 - 10:59 PM, said:

Of course you'll learn to adapt. I prefer you stay with the game and generate revenue for pgi rather than rage quitting after getting ur *** handed over by veteran and clearly superior PC mechwarriors.

Thats exactly wats gonna happen if u play MWO as if its another MA.

This, in spades.

Team tactics, learning the strength and weakness of each mech, and being able to identify threats and relegate orders based on that is going to be huge. PC Mech pilots are used to adapting, we know what basic models a mech can be, but almost EVERYONE modifies their mechs, so there's quite a bit of guesswork and strategy involved.

Having spent so long playing PC mech games, those pilots are going to have a distinct and powerful edge over those who think they're hot stuff because of Meh Assault. Not saying that all people who liked it are bad players, but don't be surprised when people disabuse you of the notion that PC mech fighting isn't going to be a lot different...especially with the different weight classes each having a special role to give to the team.

[sigma]

Mechassault was okay. The reason it gets so much hate is that it's the reason we've had to wait almost a whole decade for this game, and the reason for the near-death of real Mechwarrior games.