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[0Life]

Anyone have a link to more information on the pilot of the Butterbee? There is nothing on Sarna about her, other than the mention of her custom variant.

[One Medic Army]

Elizander, on 21 January 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

Too many heavy hero mechs at the moment. Butterbee will have more hard points than existing Catapults without any drawbacks to compensate so it can be a problem. The best they can do to balance it is to probably take out the AMS slot, which really isn't much.

They could give it the torso twist of a Stalker. *snicker*

[Dagger6T6]

0Life, on 21 January 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

Anyone have a link to more information on the pilot of the Butterbee? There is nothing on Sarna about her, other than the mention of her custom variant.

I heard she makes Natasha Kerensky look like a spacehooker from a spaceport backalley on Outreach.

Edited by Dagger6T6, 21 January 2013 - 04:55 PM.

[Noth]

They do not want the Hero mechs to be flat out better than the non hero mechs so I really doubt we'll see the butterbee.

[Adrienne Vorton]

an C4, just the energy slots in the sidetorsi... call the mech how you like, i´d buy it in an eyeblink

Edited by Adrienne Vorton, 22 January 2013 - 05:25 AM.

[w0rm]

do want. give now.

[Jakob Knight]

Budor, on 21 January 2013 - 03:49 AM, said:

Now that they added a hero light we have everything but assaults covered. I hope itll be an Awesome and not a Stalker or Atlas...for balancing reasons alone.

I believe the Hero assault mech will be the Highlander run by one of the Snord family, as it seems to have gotten some popular posts for it, and the Highlander is likely to be the next Assault mech to be introduced, allowing the Devs to highlight that mech when it is put in the game.

As for a Hero Capatult, I think the Founders Catapult will prevent this for quite some time, especially with the Jagermech and Orion coming down the road. Likely we'll see Hero versions of those mechs before the Catapult, especially if they are going to wait until the introduction of the CPLT-C3 and Artillery to do anything. Even then, the introduction of a Hero Catapult would make Founders question if it was infringing on their own model (note that no Founders mech has received a Hero version, likely for the same reason).

[Ptom]

Need a hero Stalker called "Captain Johnson"

It could have 4 ballistic hardpoints, 4 missile hardpoints.

[Ozric]

Hero K2:

4x Balistic (R/L Arm, R/L Torso)
2x Energy (R/L Torso)


Profit.

[Jetfire]

The Butterbee is not a good choice given it is a straight upgrade over the other available chassis's.

Currently we have 4E/2M, 2E/4M, 6M and 4E, 2B hardpoints

Logically a balanced Hero would have only 6 hardpoints and most likely try not to step too hard on other variants or chassis's toes.

My best guess would be a PGI created Hero with 2E, 2B, 2M layout with missile arms and K2 mixed ballistic/energy side torso's. Jack of all, master of none. Would make it possible to build long range support with LRM's, tag and AC2's.

[GrabbleRus]

Founder's and Heroic mechs are 2 different things. Founder variants differ only through skin and C-Bill bonus. And for hero mech the most important part is unique hardpoint layout.
Founder's mechs won't prevent them from creating a hero variant because you can't buy founder's pack now. And there're plenty of people wishing for custom Atlas, Catapult or Hunchback.

[GrabbleRus]

To those wishing for a heroic Stalker:

Clubs, on 10 December 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

The next Hero Mech, "Brian 'Deadmeat' Wasowski"





Born in 3031 Brian Wasowski was given a post by his father in a vain attempt to remove the boy from being the next successor to his house.

Famed for his ability to lose a Mech while keeping himself alive Brian retired from the Mech corps with a 1000 deaths to 1 kill after his father committed suicide.

The single kill Brian acquired during his time as a Mechwarrior occurred when a friendly commando was standing back to back with Brian.

Brian overheated his Mech and caused an ammo explosion. The CASE protected Brian but the blowout obliterated the Commando and Brian's best friend Greg.

The paint scheme was started by Brian's corps after his 100th Mech loss. The targeted paint scheme helped keep other members of his lance safe as enemy Mechs were keen to target Brian first.

Brian's Mech is equipped with four large lasers, two SRM6's with Artemis and two LRM10's with Artemis.

Consisting of an Endosteel frame and one slow *** standard engine.

The Mech comes stock with 10 standard heatsinks.

Unlike other Mechs the Brian Hero Mech does not gain any C-Bill bonuses.

However all repairs, excluding rearm are free.

[Kdogg788]

What I really want is a Cicada hero mech AND one of those totally slammin' red plaid vests!!

-k

[Jakob Knight]

GrabbleRus, on 22 January 2013 - 06:39 AM, said:

Founder's and Heroic mechs are 2 different things. Founder variants differ only through skin and C-Bill bonus. And for hero mech the most important part is unique hardpoint layout.
Founder's mechs won't prevent them from creating a hero variant because you can't buy founder's pack now. And there're plenty of people wishing for custom Atlas, Catapult or Hunchback.

I think you'd find alot of people disagreeing with you. To many, the most important thing about the Founders mechs and the Hero mechs are the c-bill production bonus. As the Founders provide a 25% bonus while the Hero provide 30%, having a Hero version of a mech that also would have a Founders version would make the Founders truely feel their mech had been sidelined in the game (as some had said when Hero mechs were introduced).

And the availability of Founders mechs does not make providing another mech that seems to directly overshadow them a good idea. Founders were made to believe these mechs would remain valuable units throughout the life of the game, and putting in a version that is superior after the fact would be grounds for charges of bait-and-switch to many.

Ultimately, however, I think it is still reasonable to assume that other mechs will have more priority for Hero models, if nothing else to avoid having the issue come up in the game. Why invite trouble when you have other mechs you want people to run instead?

[GrabbleRus]

Jakob Knight, on 22 January 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

I think you'd find alot of people disagreeing with you. To many, the most important thing about the Founders mechs and the Hero mechs are the c-bill production bonus. As the Founders provide a 25% bonus while the Hero provide 30%, having a Hero version of a mech that also would have a Founders version would make the Founders truely feel their mech had been sidelined in the game (as some had said when Hero mechs were introduced).

And the availability of Founders mechs does not make providing another mech that seems to directly overshadow them a good idea. Founders were made to believe these mechs would remain valuable units throughout the life of the game, and putting in a version that is superior after the fact would be grounds for charges of bait-and-switch to many.

Ultimately, however, I think it is still reasonable to assume that other mechs will have more priority for Hero models, if nothing else to avoid having the issue come up in the game. Why invite trouble when you have other mechs you want people to run instead?

Nobody ever said that founder's mechs would always be the best. You got yourself a good deal plus already had used it for a lot of time. And you want it to remain permanent? Lol. Plus calling it inferior for a 5% difference...
And priority should be decided depending on the demand. Atlas, Hunchback and Catapult are certainly most popular ones alongside with Raven now.

[Ngamok]

Butterbee while nice would bring out the Pay To Win people with a vengeance.

[Joe Mallad]

I want to see either an Awesome with a few ballistic slots or the hero atlas "bingo" that has 3 medium lasers on each arm. "Bingo" still has the ballistics in the side but drops all missile hard points for the extra laser hard points. I think it's a fair build and not OP because it gives up missiles for a few more laser hard points. Plus with them being on the arms, again... It's not OP as the atlas,s arms are the easiest to blow off.

Now this may be a bit more OP but id also like to see an atlas with 1 ballistic slot in each side torso or at least on the arms.

[Monsoon]

They've been pretty good with releasing Hero Mechs every month, I'd expect that to continue...unless they're having a slow month. So no reason not to see a Hero Assault mech and still see a Hero Highlander in two months time after that (though I'd be surprised to see a Hero mech for a newly released chassis).

Also, I disagree with not see a Hero Mech for a chassis already with a Founder Mech, as the Founder mech does not offer a different variation of an existing mech, it only offers a custom paint job and a cash boost (which is smaller then a Hero's boost). Besides, it would rob all the newer players of getting a 'special' mech for their favourite chassis (if that chassis so happened to be the Atlas, Catapult, Hunchback or Jenner).

Edited by Monsoon, 22 January 2013 - 11:24 AM.

[Jakob Knight]

Monsoon, on 22 January 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

They've been pretty good with releasing Hero Mechs every month, I'd expect that to continue...unless they're having a slow month. So no reason not to see a Hero Assault mech and still see a Hero Highlander in two months time after that (though I'd be surprised to see a Hero mech for a newly released chassis).

Also, I disagree with not see a Hero Mech for a chassis already with a Founder Mech, as the Founder mech does not offer a different variation of an existing mech, it only offers a custom paint job and a cash boost (which is smaller then a Hero's boost). Besides, it would rob all the newer players of getting a 'special' mech for their favourite chassis (if that chassis so happened to be the Atlas, Catapult, Hunchback or Jenner).

It isn't 'robbing' anyone, as the 'special' versions of those mechs were available when the Founders packages were made available. Those people who chose not to obtain them during that period did precisely that...they chose not to get that mech.

Note also that I didn't necessarily say it wouldn't happen at all (though I think it would be a bad idea), but that those chassis have a far lower priority for having Hero mechs for them than the other designs coming out, which don't have the conflict to worry about and can benefit from the recognition having a Hero mech gives. Also, as the number of variants is limited on these mechs, it might be more beneficial to the Devs to use such mechs to highlight new features in the game, further pushing them back until needed.

So, no. No one is robbing anyone, as everyone had the option to obtain said mechs. And no, I don't think it will happen anytime soon while there are other mechs to be made Hero mech variants of.

[Fate 6]

UraniumOverdose, on 21 January 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:

They couldn't add the butterbee and still maintain their stance that hero mechs aren't P2W (Ilya is so borderline I am not sure if I am mad yet or not).

They could add a catapult that has 1 ballistic in each arm, 1 laser in each torso and a head or CT missile slot. That would be different enough from the other cats, but not outshine them either.

Double AC/20, now with XL engine? Yes please.