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[CaveMan]

Today, May 26, is Clan Liberation Day, marking the end of the Pentagon Wars and Operation Klondike.

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Our victories here have proved the rightness of the Way of the Clans; let it always be so among those of the True Faith. Let these few words always announce our coming and portend our victory.
-Nicholas Kerensky, May 26, 2822

[whiteknight]

Seyla, let those who break with unity go down in darkness

[Felicitatem Parco]

I disagree.




"Wha-?! Who turned out the lights?"

[Igorius]

Seyla. Praise to The Founder and his wisdom. May we be worthy of his legacy and sacrifice.

[Hayden]

whiteknight, on 25 May 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

Seyla, let those who break with unity go down in darkness

I suppose this isn't a great time to point out that you left us.

Igorius, on 25 May 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

Seyla. Praise to The Founder and his wisdom. May we be worthy of his legacy and sacrifice.

As opposed to being worthy of his abandonment.

[Charles Martel]

Mutiny, barrity, and desertion. Fine traditions those.

[Evgeny Bear]

Bless the Founder and his wisdom



And may the Trolls go down by our hands work, so shall it be until we all fall and become dust and Legend.

[Stormwolf]

Seyla, a fine testament of our skills to rebuild.

[Gremlich Johns]

Prosperity Park, on 25 May 2012 - 11:43 PM, said:

I disagree.

"Wha-?! Who turned out the lights?"

Clansmen care not for your point of view on this

[JackCrow]

Hayden, on 26 May 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

I suppose this isn't a great time to point out that you left us.



As opposed to being worthy of his abandonment.

Not our fault the chucklehead civilian leadership stopped being worthy of our service. Some day we will grant you the honor of being liberated by us.

[Gremlich Johns]

Hayden, on 26 May 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

I suppose this isn't a great time to point out that you left us.
As opposed to being worthy of his abandonment.

The Clans did not leave the Inner Sphere although their IS ancestors did. With much of the convoluted and negative feeling towards the Clans in the forums, one could make the argument that the Inner Sphere, out of their hubris, unwittingly created the Clans over several hundreds of years.

Umm,, that is kinda like Frankenstein's Monster, eh?

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 26 May 2012 - 09:37 AM.

[Hayden]

Gremlich Johns, on 26 May 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

The Clans did not leave the Inner Sphere although their IS ancestors did. With much of the convoluted and negative feeling towards the Clans in the forums, one could make the argument that the Inner Sphere, out of their hubris, unwittingly created the Clans over several hundreds of years.

Umm,, that is kinda like Frankenstein's Monster, eh?

Kerensky's Monster.

[oohawkoo]

=3 who exactly were they supposed to stay and protect?=3 their leaders were pretty much ignoreing everything and killing each other right?=3

clans would have prolly left the IS alone if they hadnt been on their way down the same road as the old star leage =3... and theres the point that if the clans didnt attack when they did the IS would have fallen peices again =3 .... doesnt really say much for the IS lot that =3

[anonymous218]

Seyla, a testament to our skills and unity against the factions that nearly broke us in our exile.

[Uncle Totty]

At first I thought this was about us Clansmen be liberated from having to use IS banners.

[Stormwolf]

Kerensky is pretty much a product of

Nathan K, on 26 May 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

At first I thought this was about us Clansmen be liberated from having to use IS banners.

Neg trothkin, but we can dream

[Jaroth Corbett]

Trothkin, seen & unseen, near & far, living & dead, hear me. We remember today & what it means for us. As our ancestors freed the Pentagon Worlds, so shall we free the Inner Sphere of the corruption & greed that forced the Great Father to leave. We know this will not be without sacrifice. The Founder's brother, Andery, died during Klondike. He died with the dream of liberation on his mind. We should all be so fortunate to fight & die for freedom.

Our fighters will slap theirs out of the skies like hurricane winds. Our mechs shall hot drop & fall on theirs like a hard rain. We are the Clans but we are something else as well. We are the children of Kerensky & we shall take back what is rightfully ours. All are to abide by the rede given here. This it shall stand until we all shall fall.

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Return to the Inner Sphere is impossible for us. Our heritage and our convictions are different from those we left behind. The greed of the five Great Houses and the Council Lords is a disease that can only be burned away by the passing of decades, even centuries. And though the fighting may seem to slow, or even cease, it will erupt again as long as there are powerful men to covet one another’s wealth. We shall live apart, conserving all the good of the Star League and ridding ourselves of the bad, so that when we return—and return we shall—our shining moral character will be as much our shield as our BattleMechs and fighters.

—Commanding General Aleksandr Kerensky, General Order 137, 5 October 2785

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 26 May 2012 - 07:27 PM.

[Renee Zellbrigen]

Seyla.

[Semyon Drakon]

Seyla trothkin.

From memory at this time the Trials to decide which clans would engage in Operation Revival were underway. It is a pity we cannot be fighting them in game as well.

Semyon

[Aaron DeChavilier]

Gremlich Johns, on 26 May 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

The Clans did not leave the Inner Sphere although their IS ancestors did. With much of the convoluted and negative feeling towards the Clans in the forums, one could make the argument that the Inner Sphere, out of their hubris, unwittingly created the Clans over several hundreds of years.

Umm,, that is kinda like Frankenstein's Monster, eh?

<facepalm> no. just. no. The IS did not create the clans. The IS was not responsible for anything that happened after the SLDF left, that responsibility falls squarely on Alexander Kerensky and the SLDF officers that followed him there. I'm fairly certain none of the IS across the vast span of history from the Exodus to the Invasion thought: gee, what a mess we've made, those clans are tearing us to pieces!

Let hubris fall where it should: poor peacetime leadership on the part of Alexander Kerensky and his officers. Then, poor leadership, and mad autocracy on the part of his son, Nicholas.

You see, upon competing the liberation of Terra, Aaron DeChavilier told Alexander straight, that Alexander should take the SLDF and conquer the great houses. Now this is only one sentence in the canon, but to me, I've always seen it as the tipping point of the argument that Alexander and the SLDF should have stayed and reformed the League. He had the guns to do it. However, like most things in btech, if Kerensky stayed, we wouldn't have clans...as we know them, and as they are written now.

JackCrow, on 26 May 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

Not our fault the chucklehead civilian leadership stopped being worthy of our service. Some day we will grant you the honor of being liberated by us.

That doesn't make any sense, that would be like saying the US Army abandons the United States after the Civil War, flees to Antarctica or something, because 'derp, reconstruction is haaaaaaaaard' <read in a whining voice> If you want a more Btech relevant example, it would be like Victor's army after the end of the FedCom Civil War up and splitting to a difference corner of the periphery..because...consequences are hard to deal with...yeah certainly wouldn't paint them in a good light either.

Again too, Kerensky just put down Amaris in a 13 year war, he had the largest force in the IS at his command. What does he do? flees like a bloody coward hiding under the pretense 'some people may use this army for bad....' even though he commands it...so....huh?