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[Paula Fry]

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...53718ce58354525

Love this build.

[Kaku]

The mech is fine as is, I pity the fool who doesn't fight alongside other light mechs ....

[DarkBazerker]

Put atleast one of the laser hardpoints in its shoulders and I'll be happy. Would also like ecm but not a deal breaker.

[TheAquired]

I still think, either one missile or ECM, or at least jump jets. Just.. something.. please PGI, change this one. You will not only satisfy people who bought the mech anyway, but attract much higher sales due to the mech being something serious to deal with. I only hope we get some kind of feedback from the devs on this. I would like to know what they feel about it.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

TheAquired, on 25 January 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

I still think, either one missile or ECM, or at least jump jets. Just.. something.. please PGI, change this one. You will not only satisfy people who bought the mech anyway, but attract much higher sales due to the mech being something serious to deal with. I only hope we get some kind of feedback from the devs on this. I would like to know what they feel about it.

For this Mech to cease being trash, they need to:
A) Either give it an ECM or balance it. If neither are done, this will never measure up vs 2D, which has 3 Streak btw, which are still OP when combined with ECM.
B.) Put in BV or weight ratios into MM. This is a problem global for the Commando itself, and is thus dumped on TDK as well. Simply put, there's no reason to play this thing over a Jenner or Raven.

Edited by Bluten, 25 January 2013 - 03:53 PM.

[Akai Doragon]

First let me start off by saying i mainly play lights. I have the COM-2D, COM-3A, Raven 3L, Raven 4X, Jenner 7D all mastered but if you aren't familiar with going fast and aiming this mech is NOT for you - its a hero mech for us light pilots and you wont be Solo'ing an entire team like the OP Raven 3L so don't expect to be, a lot of the comments here seem to be expecting a Pay to Win strategy which myself and PGI can't get behind.

I bought a DK Hero the day it was patched and within about 24hrs i had the thing Mastered, i had a blast playing it but there are a few pieces of input I can provide.. mainly that it takes some getting used to in order to pilot effectively but if you give it the time and love it deserves it can be damn fun once you do. That being said I will admit that the MC cost is slightly high and there are a few tiny tweaks which could be done to give the mech more "pop" and value such as 2xAMS or Jump Jets and an extra module slot

For those people upset that its less powerful than a Raven 3L or COM-2D you need to face the fact that the ECM/SSRM combos are just too OP right now and will be eventually balanced. One way of balancing those mechs would be to make it so that SSRM/ECM Mechs cannot fire LRM/SSRMs (anything that needs a lock) without turning ECM on counter mode (thereby making them susceptible to enemy locks) in my eyes but that is not for this thread so let me get back on track about TDK..


The current weapon load out is perfect, 4x articulated lasers is fair and gives you an exceptional ability to focus your damage IF you can aim as the articulated arms combined with running fast can take some getting used too. Most other commandos only have 4 weapon hard points to begin with and PGI made it clear that Hero mechs should not be considered pay to win so adding extra weapon hard points would only serve to make the community cry OP and P2W (a missile hard point in the CT for example would be nice but I think would be OP).

For all the people asking for ECM not every light mech should have ECM and I am ok with this Mech not having it but I would really prefer a 2nd AMS unit to help add to its current survivability as I do have to agree that this mech is slightly fragile with all of its weapon hard points being on the arms which can be blown off rather easily as this has happened to me numerous times.

With everything taken into consideration i find the 1875MC cost of the mech vs the ~700MC of the standard variants to be a LITTLE pricey for Double Heatsinks, a flashy paint job, and a CBill bonus and would LIKE to see any of the following:
1) An extra AMS hardpoint in the other shoulder providing 2xAMS capability on this mech
2) A total of 3 Module Slots (4 once mastered) I think this is the one area where each Hero should have an advantage.
3) The addition of 3-5 Jump Jet Module slots

I would take any one of or combination of the above suggestions, 1+2 for example would give the mech some value and extra distinction.. but I think in fairness that adding all 3 would be too much. Alternatively if ECM was added the above 3 suggestions should not be implemented as again I think people would rightfully call OP.

My current build of TDK is as follows:
176/178 Armor
4xML
1xAMS+1AMS Ammo
XL210 Engine
12 DBL Heatsink Ratio

This means the mech goes 136km without speed bonus and 149 with, yes you can get a Jenner to go 152 with an XL300+bonus and have a more powerful/varied weapon load-out but you do not get the fully articulated arms or CBill bonus.

Anyways this is just my 2cents as I love my Death Knell but would like to see a tiny tweak to give it a little more value, ultimately though I am still happy with this variant and if I could rewind the clock I would still buy it again as it was a blast to pilot.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

You can type walls as long as you like but my 4ML 2ST Jenner would still destroy you with no effort. So would my Streak Commandos.

[Akai Doragon]

Bluten, on 26 January 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

You can type walls as long as you like but my 4ML 2ST Jenner would still destroy you with no effort. So would my Streak Commandos.

No one is disputing the value of a JR7-D,etc but I still see a value to commando's including the TDK variant (although i will admit the TDK seems a little bit pricey in my eyes as mentioned in my post). Just because you don't see the value doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, especially for those players who don't rely on streak missiles and can actually aim.

Granted the TDK isn't an "easy win" mech like the 3L or 2D but it can still tear them up in the hands of the right pilot and its more fun/challenging in my opinion to pilot this than something "easy". Now if you don't believe this mech has a place on the battlefield then tell that to the dozen or so Ravens, Jenners and Commando's i killed last night using my TDK. 4ML focused on a leg tends to make legs disappear rather fast and the articulated arms means I can typically keep the MLs on the leg even when they are trying to run away.

Every Mech has its upside/downside and there is still a value to the TDK in my opinion, now you already made your opinion clear regarding this mech back on page 3 so why don't you stop ragging on everyone else and go back to your lock-on streaks, liking your own posts or whatever else it is that you do for fun and have a nice day.

Edited by Akai Doragon, 27 January 2013 - 08:29 AM.

[Tankerton]

I'm with Akai on this and he has summed it up pretty nicely so there isnt anything I can really add to his points. I do however want to point out that liking your own comments makes you look like a fool. Im pretty sure we all know you like your own comment to begin with or you wouldnt put fingers to keys to spout an opinion.

[juxstapo]

[makes a note to head over to Jettisoned Coms and add Bluten to the list of "Self-Post-Likers"]

EDIT: While I'm at it I'll add myself to the list of "Didn't-Finish-Reading-Before-Replying".

Tankerton said it, I'm with Tankerton.... (on the post liking I mean).

I'm loving TDK. I won't argue merits vs. other chassis, because they all suck in one facet or another. I've got mastered JR-7s, Elited Spiders, My Founder's mechs, a K2, etc. etc.
But right now I'm having hella fun in my TDK, and will keep on rocking it until someone more fun comes along.

EDIT AGAIN!' @#$%@ Akai Doragon said all of that allready! So I'm just going to go find a thread where I can has some originalish thoughts... huh

Edited by juxstapo, 27 January 2013 - 07:15 PM.

[Carrioncrows]

So I take it out for a match, I have a lot of fun.

Take it out the next match, run into a Commando-2D

3 Salvo's and I am dead.

He doesn't even need to use the Medium laser.

Not a damn thing I can do.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

It's hilarious how easy it is to wreck TDK with Streaks. You folks keep riding in this thing, I insist, because I like the easy money and XP.

[Hapaxis]

Hard to play with most of the time, but had my best ever match on Sunday with it (if only I could have recorded it). Got a kill shot partway through the match, ran around and harassed the other team, and then suddenly realised that it was just me (with minimal damage) against a 1-armed Atlas, a moderately damaged Awesome, and a minimally damaged Centurion. Circled around a rock in the water, finishing off the Aws, then took the other arm off the Atlas, and part of the torso leaving it weapon-less, then turned to the Cent, took its arms off. By this time the Atlas had run to cap, so I nipped off to finish him, Cent turned up and circled him. Shutdown once, then ran around the rock to lower my heat, and finished him off. Still (just) had all my components, took the Victory back from the jaws of Defeat! Finished with 4 kills and 4 assists!

Admittedly, had there been streaks on any of those 3 mechs, it would have been a different matter.

[Arete]

Well I use it mainly as a harrasser and striker, since you really don't want to fight other lights with it. And that's allright to be honest. Not all light mechs need to be focused on dueling other light mechs.

Stay with the team, and just do what harrassment you can. As soon as you see a damaged mech on the other team that's trying to escape, run in quick and finish him. If you run into other lights, get back to your team ASAP to get some assistance. You do NOT want to get caught alone in a light vs. light fight in this thing, even against another light without SSRMs you still have paper armor.

Zipping around and tearing the back armor off of heavy mechs and finishing those that retreat is what this thing is made to do.

Edited by Arete, 29 January 2013 - 12:49 AM.

[Henry Pride]

I figured some stuff that makes it different to the Jenner. On the one Hand the Commando itself has a different type of walking. It can take edges faster as a Jenner and it has its arms that enlarge his range of fire to nearly 360°.

Tbh i love each Jenner in my Bays, the same way i do like my 3L and 2D but the Deaths Knell is a Commando sized Jenner with that sort of punch most of my jenners have. I love to drive this little blue ******* and harras some big buys.

@Bluten: U dont like the Mech? Dont buy it, and leave the people that actually play this mech alone...

[Cest7]

A mech I can kill in a single alpha is not very heroic.

[skullman86]

I have no feedback relating to it's performance, but would it be possible to shorten the name to just "death's knell" or "COM-TDK" in game? It just seems like it would look better on the targeting panels, and the word "the" in front of the name kind of implies that it is the only one when it clearly isn't.

/nitpick

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Cest7, on 01 February 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

A mech I can kill in a single alpha is not very heroic.

Lol, ya. Funny story, a week ago when I was playing the game, I legged one of these with a 2x LBX shot, then immediately killed it with the following alpha, 2LL, 2 LBX, 2 Streak. Poor little fella never stood a chance. My Jenner was also destroying these things left and right like a piranha in a goldfish tank. I intentionally rolled the Founder Jenner just to pop more for me to eat from the matchmaking while farming the boost. You got the Streaks, they don't. That's all there is to it. I didn't even feel threatened when I saw them; I just saw easy food. If I was on my ECM Commando or Raven, it'd have been even easier. You folks that bought this tincan deserve to be picked on and ripped off. It's been roughly 2 months since ECM launch, you should know better than to buy a hero variant in a lineup that has ECM. You should have waited for a hero Jenner or any hero light with ECM capability. Awesome will be almost as big of a ripoff too, since the Awesome itself is currently just an inferior Stalker/Atlas that is outperformed and picked on by them. Should wait for a hero Stalker or Atlas if you want a hero Assault. But go ahead and buy these tincans if it suits you. Throw that money at Piranha's open palm. You're never getting it back though and it just encourages them to sell more of these rather than work on fixing the game's problems.

Edited by Bluten, 02 February 2013 - 01:40 AM.

[Sable Dove]

Don't own. Never will, but can tell you from experience facing them: Death's Knell joins the Spider 5K and 5V as one of the worst mechs in the game. Perhaps even the worst, considering that without streaks, the DK doesn't have the one thing that makes the other lights so much more powerful than the 5V and 5K.

There are three lights that have neither ECM, nor streaks, and they are unquestionably worse than every other light that has one, which are unquestionably worse than the two that have both.

[TJ Saint]

One thing I must say about the DK: I love it. It is generally the first kill I get when I am running my 2D, because not too many ppl know how to pilot it. PPC-Sniper fits or LGpls back-ups for a HVY or Assault mech is hwere these thing fit very well, and even with their 4MdLas setup, they fit very well when accompanying an AS-7K or Stalker. This is a light mech, not necessarily a scout mech, and there is a difference between the two, believe it or not. 2D is a scout. 3L is a scout. DK is not a scout. Stop trying to pilot them like one and you will see your results improve when piloting them. That being said, KEEP PILOTING THEM LIKE SCOUTS. I need the kills.